"Hey little mama, You see this knife?" ~S. Wallace~

[The_Outlaw]

While an unsuspecting mother's back was turned away for a few seconds, a complete stranger walked up to her shopping cart and abducted her 2-year-old daughter from the cart.
The suspect then said, "Hey, little mamma. You see this knife?”
The Mother of the abducted child then became hysterical...She began screaming, pleading with the suspect to let her daughter go, but he would not as he continued to hold the child at knife-point.

http://www.today.com/news/mom-tot-t...hostage-wal-mart-i-begged-her-life-6C10523331

I'm guessing that this lady did not have a concealed handgun on her person.
She's very lucky that her daughter was not kidnapped or killed.

 

[gejoslin]

While an unsuspecting mother's back was turned away for a few seconds, a complete stranger walked up to her shopping cart and abducted her 2-year-old daughter from the cart.
The suspect then said, "Hey, little mamma. You see this knife?”
The Mother of the abducted child then became hysterical...She began screaming, pleading with the suspect to let her daughter go, but he would not as he continued to hold the child at knife-point.

Mom of tot taken hostage at Wal-Mart: I begged for her life - TODAY.com

I'm guessing that this lady did not have a concealed handgun on her person.
She's very lucky that her daughter was not kidnapped or killed.

This is why people should be armed. Against wacko's like this. They're everywhere, no time to wait for LEO to show up. This time it ended well. But you know for everyone we know of there's a bunch more waiting and waiting for their chance.
Did you notice the man with the cart, cutting the man with the child off? Brave guy, to bad nobody mentioned him.

 

[ArmoredG22]

Not sure everyone should be armed. The mother was hysterical, don't know too many people who would take that shot with their kid being held hostage on top of being hysterical.

 

[jameshd]

Not sure everyone should be armed. The mother was hysterical, don't know too many people who would take that shot with their kid being held hostage on top of being hysterical.

But would she have been hysterical if she had been armed? Probably not; she would have equated carrying a gun with being able to protect her children.

 

[tcox4freedom]

Someone mentioned in another forum that this was most likely a case of "suicide by cop". (I think they may be right.)

 

[ingeniir]

I wish someday we, of the conceal and open carry community, will stop attributing the simple act of carrying as the end all to any criminal act that happens. There is very, very, very little probability that any person under the same circumstances as this woman would have been able to stop this man if only they were carrying. He had the knife to the child's throat and the only thing preventing him from slitting it open was the non-threatening position the police were presenting to him. It took the combined effort of distracting him along with an officer coming from behind/beside to put this lunatic down. If he had seen the mom pull out a weapon concealed or not, her child would be dead before she pulled the trigger, let alone had time to aim and not risk her own child's life.

 

[gejoslin]

I wish someday we, of the conceal and open carry community, will stop attributing the simple act of carrying as the end all to any criminal act that happens. There is very, very, very little probability that any person under the same circumstances as this woman would have been able to stop this man if only they were carrying. He had the knife to the child's throat and the only thing preventing him from slitting it open was the non-threatening position the police were presenting to him. It took the combined effort of distracting him along with an officer coming from behind/beside to put this lunatic down. If he had seen the mom pull out a weapon concealed or not, her child would be dead before she pulled the trigger, let alone had time to aim and not risk her own child's life.

It seemed to have worked for the cop to have settled it with a gun. More than likely it was suicide by cop, that's why the countdown.

 

[jcreek]

Not sure everyone should be armed. The mother was hysterical, don't know too many people who would take that shot with their kid being held hostage on top of being hysterical.

I would have shot him long before he had her in his arms. He shows knife, he reaches for my daughter, he dies right there.

In addition, people who carry need to be more capable of keeping their composure. Yes, if someone has a knife to your child's throat your going to have a flood of emotions like fear and anger but you need to be able to funnel those emotions into solving the problem however you have too and instead becoming hysterical.

If you see your friend get shot in the face, do you freeze up in shock and wait to die too, or do you react immediately and counter the threat?

 

[The_Outlaw]

I wish someday we, of the conceal and open carry community, will stop attributing the simple act of carrying as the end all to any criminal act that happens. There is very, very, very little probability that any person under the same circumstances as this woman would have been able to stop this man if only they were carrying. He had the knife to the child's throat and the only thing preventing him from slitting it open was the non-threatening position the police were presenting to him. It took the combined effort of distracting him along with an officer coming from behind/beside to put this lunatic down. If he had seen the mom pull out a weapon concealed or not, her child would be dead before she pulled the trigger, let alone had time to aim and not risk her own child's life.

But it was indeed a properly used sidearm that stopped the threat & ended the criminal activity was it not?
So your entire post is quite moot imvho.

 

[ArmoredG22]

Your friend and your child are two complete opposites. And if you watched the video you'd see that she was looking at products when he took her. You can act like the toughest SOB on the planet here in this forum. But none of us would know what we would really do in that situation. Don't know if I'd wanna cowboy up when a man has a knife pointing at my child's neck. In real life nobody's that fast and your fight or flight mechanisms would make taking that shot pretty damn hard. I can't take people who think they will be unaffected by everything seriously.

 

[OM44]

Suicide by cop.

Otherwise the perp would have taken the child and run.

 

[The_Outlaw]

Your friend and your child are two complete opposites. And if you watched the video you'd see that she was looking at products when he took her. You can act like the toughest SOB on the planet here in this forum. But none of us would know what we would really do in that situation. Don't know if I'd wanna cowboy up when a man has a knife pointing at my child's neck. In real life nobody's that fast and your fight or flight mechanisms would make taking that shot pretty damn hard. I can't take people who think they will be unaffected by everything seriously.

If you are that 'unsure' about your own personal abilities in utilizing whatever means may be necessary to protect your own child/family-members, then I seriously suggest that you should probably get some more firearm and self defense training to help to better prepare yourself.

And no, I'm not claiming to be some kind of internet 'tough guy' or the 'toughest s.o.b. on the planet' as your post above seems to suggest.
I'm merely a husband and a father like most of us that are here on this forum.

Just because you may not be able to 'cowboy up' if some demented scumbag ever decided to abduct your child in front of you at knifepoint, that does not mean that the majority of us other members would not be able to effectively 'cowboy up' if ever needed to.

~Rant Over~

 

[ArmoredG22]

Im perfectly confident and realistic in my abilities. More gun training, not necessary. Do your thing when the time comes. Im just saying, nobody knows until it happens. We can talk hypotheticals until our tongues fall out but it doesn't at all mean we'll do what we say.

 

[gejoslin]

I personally don't believe anyone can have too much training, but that's just me. I could train 4 hours a day for the rest of my life, if I could afford it, and still not have enough training. There is always room for improvement, at least in my case.
Not picking on you Armored, just sayin'.

 

[Kramer1113]

Perfect example: IF as a CC passerby you happened to observe this, and, you shot and killed him, What makes it different than Mr. George Zimmerman? The cameras? Maybe, But this is where it gets stickey.If he was planning "Death By Cop" You might have freaked him out and he may have done something terrible.
Personally... I hope the stain comes out of the floor and the kids hearing is OK. That's where my concern kinda drifts off.

 

[Kramer1113]

I personally don't believe anyone can have too much training, but that's just me. I could train 4 hours a day for the rest of my life, if I could afford it, and still not have enough training. There is always room for improvement, at least in my case.
Not picking on you Armored, just sayin'.

Completely agree. Proper training does wonders for performance.
Also agree with not being able to afford it.

 

[jcreek]

"Hey little mama, You see this knife?" ~S. Wallace~

Your friend and your child are two complete opposites. And if you watched the video you'd see that she was looking at products when he took her. You can act like the toughest SOB on the planet here in this forum. But none of us would know what we would really do in that situation. Don't know if I'd wanna cowboy up when a man has a knife pointing at my child's neck. In real life nobody's that fast and your fight or flight mechanisms would make taking that shot pretty damn hard. I can't take people who think they will be unaffected by everything seriously.

Haha alrighty. You don't take me seriously, I won't take you seriously. We're all good. Don't sit here and preach to me about how I'm trying to act like a tough guy when all I said is I would keep calm and defend my child. A life or or death situation is a life or death situation whether its you, your child, or your best friend. If you're not able to keep calm and think during said situation, then I think maybe your one these so called people, that you believe shouldn't be armed.

 

[ArmoredG22]

I didn't realize I was talking to you jcreek. I stand by my previous statement. You can talk about it all you want, being about it is a whole other story. None of us will know unless we're in that situation. Im just saying that arming a hysterical woman would not work out for anyone. But some people believe she should have saw him coming, like they would have got the jump on this guy. Just unreal thinking in my opinion. I see I struck a nerve with you. We're all in the same community, just having a nice debate. If I offended you then I apologize. I meant no disrespect. We aren't in the movies so believing that someone can hit a kill shot with a person holding their child at knifepoint seems far fetched. No parent under those circumstances will be that calm or steady. Now you put yourself in that situation with someone else's kid on the line. I'll give you that the pressure will be on but it will be less and more likely able to function differently.

 

[The_Outlaw]

I didn't realize I was talking to you jcreek. I stand by my previous statement. You can talk about it all you want, being about it is a whole other story. None of us will know unless we're in that situation. Im just saying that arming a hysterical woman would not work out for anyone. But some people believe she should have saw him coming, like they would have got the jump on this guy. Just unreal thinking in my opinion. I see I struck a nerve with you. We're all in the same community, just having a nice debate. If I offended you then I apologize. I meant no disrespect. We aren't in the movies so believing that someone can hit a kill shot with a person holding their child at knifepoint seems far fetched. No parent under those circumstances will be that calm or steady. Now you put yourself in that situation with someone else's kid on the line. I'll give you that the pressure will be on but it will be less and more likely able to function differently.

You bloviated;

"I'm just saying that arming a hysterical woman would not work out for anyone."

You sir are a sexist.
Any woman is more than capable of handling a firearm in a self-defense situation with just a little training imvho.

sex·ism (skszm)
n.
1. Discrimination based on gender, especially discrimination against women.
2. Attitudes, conditions, or behaviors that promote stereotyping of social roles based on gender.
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[ArmoredG22]

Bloviated? So all I have to do is put IMVHO at the end of everything I write and I'll be given a free pass for anything written? I share my opinion, get attacked for it and im the pompous one? Look in the mirror before passing judgment. We're all entitled to think what we want. You're no better than I or the next poster Outlaw. Go make your own website and control what's written. Sexist? You know nothing about me. Real Christian attitude ya have there. I'll be sure to avoid your posts because you are nothing short of narcissistic. When all is said and done you will have done nothing to help further the second amendment or gun ownership by living on USA Carry, making snide comments and judgments toward people who are on here for the same reason as you. Ha what a laughable gun community we have here.