Hernando County Fl. Good Bye Glocks, Hello Sig .45

[Kramer1113]

The Hernando County Sheriff's Department will be turning in their .40 Cal Glocks for new Sig .45's.
The move comes because Glock would not train and certify the departments Armors.
Some Deputies are reported to not be so happy with the swap as the #of rounds has been reduced.

This information comes to me from an undercover officer who is a friend of mine.
No further details were given to me.

Here is my question, Where do those Glocks go after Sig gets them?

 

[trailboss]

The Hernando County Sheriff's Department will be turning in their .40 Cal Glocks for new Sig .45's.
The move comes because Glock would not train and certify the departments Armors.

Why would that be an issue.
The department should hire or contract a gunsmith.
Being an armorer is fine and looks nice on paper but, and I mean no offence , but an armorer is just a part swapper.

 

[Nightmare45]

With a 45 fewer rounds is good.

 

[apvbguy]

Here is my question, Where do those Glocks go after Sig gets them?

they go to a "liquidator" places like cdnn buy the whole lot and then turn around and sell them to the public

 

[wolf_fire]

Interesting, train an entire department to use a firearm that has no external safety and then switch to one that has one. Hmmm, muscle memory re-training. I hope no cops get shot because they neglect to switch the safety when they are used to not doing so.

Also, concerning the training... a LE Glock Armorer course cost $195 and the certification lasts three years. I'm trying to figure out why the department wouldn't pay for the certification. It would seem to me, going with a Sig P220 would cost a lot more than paying $195 every three years for only a handful of Armorers.

Also, are you sure the officers had to use .40's. Were they not allowed to have the .45's that Glock puts out?

The Glocks get traded in when they get their new weapons. Those firearms then get refurbished and resold. Generally, they will end up in a Glock LE Dealers shop.

 

[misunderstood]

I have never seen a SIG have an external safety. Except the 1911 but I doubt they go that way. Biggest retrain they have will be switching to a da/sa trigger.

If it is new p227 they have 10 plus one but the g22 did have 15. Losing 5 could be critical rounds.

I don't understand the armor thing either. Does glock do a territory thing with their armor?

 

[Kramer1113]

I am sure the reasoning he got (UC Friend) was very brief and not to detailed.
For some reason the weapons were to be sent away for repair. Wording was to Glock but I would think its authorized repair (Guessing).
I do not know why Glock denied the training. Not the department, But Glock.
I also do not know the model of Sig that is coming in.

I have hopes that someone in Hernando County will post in and clear some of this up.

 

[dgifted]

they go to a "liquidator" places like cdnn buy the whole lot and then turn around and sell them to the public

Also, I know that Cabelas buys up a lot of police turn-ins. Besides, my son, who is a LEO in the KC area and other LEO's on the force are offered the opportunity to buy their firearm (Currently Glock .40) when it is being replaced, at a very good price. Since they have been the one using it, they know its condition. He picked up his tactical shotgun last time (Remington 870 defense) but didn't have the money available the last time they replaced their older Glocks. He plans to take advantage next time. Bottom line, some PD's will let LEO buy their old gun and those not purchased are sold to a dealer.
-----However, you may remember the stink a year ago when some governmental units in places such as Chicago did not like the fact that LEO firearms were recirculating and demanded the old guns be destroyed. It didn't matter that there was substantial money that the guns brought in. They just did not want anybody to get those guns because there are "too many already."

 

[wolf_fire]

I have never seen a SIG have an external safety. Except the 1911 but I doubt they go that way. Biggest retrain they have will be switching to a da/sa trigger.

If it is new p227 they have 10 plus one but the g22 did have 15. Losing 5 could be critical rounds.

I don't understand the armor thing either. Does glock do a territory thing with their armor?

Ok, that was an assumption on my part concerning which Sig they would go with. But you are correct, regardless there is going to be a difference in shooting that first shot.

Also, Glock trains to whomever pays them. This is why I don't get the OP's comment about Glock "won't" train their armorers. The course is an 8 hour class that shows one how to completely dismantle the Glock line of weapons with a 3/32" punch and what type of wear to look out for, so things like springs can be replaced. As I had mentioned it costs $195 and the certificate is good for 3 years. A department of approximately 50 persons would only need about 3 armorers, meaning an extra $600 over a 3 year period, or an extra $200/year. Now consider how much the Sig's are compared to the Glocks and you most likely are saving that money and then some. Any Glock for LE costs $399-$425 from a LE dealer (and comes with three mags), whether it be the G23, G22 or going .45 cal with a G21 or G30. I can't understand why, if this department wanted .45's they wouldn't just get them from Glock since this is what the LEO's were trained with. I also don't get why there wasn't a choice between .40 and .45 since that is the case in most departments that I have had experience with.

Hey I have an idea.... Kramer.... find out from your UC friend why this doesn't seem to add up. I'm sure we are missing something here.

 

[jfisch]

This may be the reason for the switch: Report Raises Concern About Glock Handguns « CBS Miami

 

[apvbguy]

I have never seen a SIG have an external safety. Except the 1911 but I doubt they go that way. Biggest retrain they have will be switching to a da/sa trigger.

I wonder if my 229 is a fake, you need to learn a bit more before commenting

 

[apvbguy]

This may be the reason for the switch: Report Raises Concern About Glock Handguns « CBS Miami

the article may be factual but I don't take anything from the PBSO too seriously they are very anti gun there

 

[snatale42]

I'll be checking my G36 today. They should go with M&P. I know tons of cops that their dept switched and they couldn't be happier. Being an M&P owner myself I can agree. But still seems weird.

 

[snatale42]

I don't understand the armor thing either. Does Glock do a territory thing with their armor?

No, pay the fee, take the class and your a certified armorer.

 

[misunderstood]

I wonder if my 229 is a fake, you need to learn a bit more before commenting

I again have never seen a p229 with a external safety. A decocker is not a safety. You do not have cut it off for it to fire. Maybe you need to take your advice. The only sigs I have seen with a safety is the single action only models. Out of the hundreds I have held the ones I have used never seen a safety. Only SA models.

 

[wolf_fire]

This may be the reason for the switch: Report Raises Concern About Glock Handguns « CBS Miami

The article is an interesting if not eyebrow raising one. I am a LE Glock Armorer and have not heard about this from Miami. I did hear about the 2005 incident with LA. This was shortly after a design change and Glock quickly took care of the issue and LAPD still uses Glocks I Want to Know - official website of THE LOS ANGELES POLICE DEPARTMENT, as I'm suspecting Glock will take care of things if it truly is an issue and not a local situation.

I've also seen cases where departments were too cheap to send any of their guys to get their Armorer certification and therefore never had their firearms checked after many thousands of rounds went through them. They complained to Glock, Glock's first question was, were they checked annually by your armorer. When the answer was no. They asked when they were last checked... answer, never. Springs needed to be replaced as part of routine maintenance after putting that many rounds through.

I'm not one of these pro-Glock, every other gun sucks people. I enjoy several marques. However, I do know Glock will never do anything to hurt it's standing with the LE community. If this truly is a problem in Miami, you will see Glock fix the issue.

 

[Fitch]

This may be the reason for the switch: Report Raises Concern About Glock Handguns « CBS Miami

When I originally saw that report I decided to inspect the firing pin on my 8 year old Glock 19. I'd never had it out before but it took me less than a minute to have it in my hand. It's fired about 5,000 rounds and probably been dry fired at least that much if not more. This is what it looked like:




This is what it looked like after I took a first pass at cleaning it. I went back and finished cleaning it but didn't take a second picture:




This is what the back side of the breech face looked like (I have access to a Hawkeye bore scope):



The striker channel has a step in diameter in it. This is the step and beyond it, slightly out of focus, is the breech face.



There was some carbon build up crunk in there as you can see. I cleaned it out with suitable bronze bore brushes, then flushed it with Birchwood Casey Gun Scrubber. It cleaned right up. I didn't take pictures of it after cleaning it. The Glock 19 had never had a failure of any kind. It worked, and continues to work, flawlessly. It's old enough that I don't think it has the MIM striker assembly in it.

Seriously, this gun is so easy to work in it's ridiculous to even require training. Watch a DVD. Detail stripping it is a piece of cake.

Fitch

 

[jfisch]

Do PDs usually order guns in lots? If so maybe there was just an issue with a small series of guns made at the same time. I was always under the impression that most PDs let their officers choose their own carry gun as long as it was a standard caliber. Maybe that's just small depts. without big budgets.
I don't see why they would stop using them all together. It says: "The Coral Gables Police Department took the preemptive step of asking Glock to replace all of the firing pins in their guns. Glock immediately sent Coral Gables a box of new firing pins." Sounds like hella-good customer service to me.
I've never shot/owned a Glock so I can't speak on their quality/design/etc. but 7,500 law enforcement agencies can't be wrong... can they? Seems like if there was really an issue with quality control then the number of Glocks in LE would be lower.

When I originally saw that report I decided to inspect the firing pin on my 8 year old Glock 19. I'd never had it out before but it took me less than a minute to have it in my hand. It's fired about 5,000 rounds and probably been dry fired at least that much if not more.

I'd be interested to hear from other Glock owners on here if they noticed anything wrong with their pins. I was under the impression it was a Gen. 4 issue as well. Not sure where I got that idea.

 

[Kramer1113]

This may be the reason for the switch: Report Raises Concern About Glock Handguns « CBS Miami

Yep, Confirmed.
Apparently Glock was not working with the Hernando Sheriffs department and insisted the issue was the result of misuse and possibly hard primers.

 

[Kramer1113]

Do PDs usually order guns in lots? If so maybe there was just an issue with a small series of guns made at the same time. I was always under the impression that most PDs let their officers choose their own carry gun as long as it was a standard caliber. Maybe that's just small depts. without big budgets.
I don't see why they would stop using them all together. It says: "The Coral Gables Police Department took the preemptive step of asking Glock to replace all of the firing pins in their guns. Glock immediately sent Coral Gables a box of new firing pins." Sounds like hella-good customer service to me.
I've never shot/owned a Glock so I can't speak on their quality/design/etc. but 7,500 law enforcement agencies can't be wrong... can they? Seems like if there was really an issue with quality control then the number of Glocks in LE would be lower.



I'd be interested to hear from other Glock owners on here if they noticed anything wrong with their pins. I was under the impression it was a Gen. 4 issue as well. Not sure where I got that idea.

Are you implying that a Glock Owner would admit there was something wrong with their Glock?