Here is where are ammo is - not
- Thread starter nybuckboy
- Start date
Link Removed D-HS Coverup, and Blatant Lies continue over Ammunition Purchases
Link Removed
DHS excuse for buying billions of rounds of ammo exposed as yet another blatant lie
Mike Adams
Natural News
April 3, 2013
Responding to a letter from Sen. Tom Coburn, the Department of Homeland Security — an agency that has no business being armed in the first place — says it’s buying billions of rounds of ammunition in order to “significantly lower costs.”
It’s all about saving money, you see. DHS isn’t arming up in anticipation of a shooting war on the streets of America, and it’s not buying thousands of armored assault vehicles for that purpose either. No, DHS is only buying all this ammo to save you money!
This response by DHS, of course, is an obvious lie. Why? Because a significant portion of the bullet purchases specify hollow point rounds. In case you didn’t know, hollow points are significantly MORE expensive than “ball” ammo (FMJ). Under the Geneva convention, hollow points are illegal to use in war because they cause far greater tissue damage, too. So they can only be used domestically, inside the United States in a civil action, not an international war.
If DHS really wanted to “significantly lower costs” on ammunition, it would have purchased FMJ rounds (full metal jacket), not hollow points. But in April of 2012, ammunition manufacturer ATK announced it had been awarded a DHS purchase contract for 450 million rounds of hollow point .40 caliber ammo. That’s almost half a billion rounds right there, and they’re all hollow point rounds.
The press release claimed, “The special hollow point effectively passes through a variety of barriers and holds its jacket in the toughest conditions.” You can read the full original press release at Infowars.com.
The press release on the ATK website, by the way, has been modified to remove any mention of “450 million rounds.” Read it here:
http://www.atk.com/news-releases/atk...ammunition-co…
First it was a conspiracy theory that the bullets existed… now it’s a verified fact that billions of rounds are being purchased
Infowars.com initially publicized this story. With the outstanding reporting of Kurt Nimmo, Paul Joseph Watson, Alex Jones and others, the alternative media forced this story into the mainstream.
But for most of 2012, anyone who claimed DHS was purchasing all this ammo was labeled a “conspiracy theorist” by the leftist delusional media which somehow believed that all this hardware being purchased by DHS was imaginary.
Over time, of course, as all the contracts came out and the proof was undeniable, the mainstream media was forced to admit it wasn’t a conspiracy theory after all. A Forbes.com report that called for a “national conversation” signalled a breakthrough in mainstream awareness of the issue, and it was soon followed by members of Congress demanding answers from DHS.
The first response from DHS was that there were no bullets. They didn’t exist. The contracts were purely fictional and DHS had no intention of actually taking delivery on any bullets.
When that cover story was exposed as an obvious lie, the story shifted to its current distortion: “We bought all that ammo to save you money!” (By the way, where are the apologies to all of us who first reported the DHS ammo purchases and were called conspiracy theorists for breaking the story on now-verified facts?)
Ah, so now the bullets DO exist after all, but we should all be thankful DHS is buying all these bullets because it’s a wonderful example of fiscal responsibility, you see. Because when a government is economically on the verge of collapse, operated by criminals and destroying the liberties of the people, the most important way to “save money” is to load up on billions of rounds of ammo. It makes perfect sense, does it not?
But now the “saving money” cover story is also collapsing due to the fact that most of the bullets purchased are hollow point rounds, and hollow point rounds are the most expensive rounds you can buy. This includes hundreds of thousands of sniper rounds, by the way, which are specified in the purchase contracts as “BTHP” — meaning “Boat Tail Hollow Point.” These sniper rounds are long-range bullets with remarkable flight stability. Depending on the ballistics coefficients and muzzle velocities, some of these bullets have ranges of well over one mile.
Exactly who does DHS need to shoot with hollow point bullets at a range of one mile?
Private citizens are buying 50 million rounds EACH WEEK
According to my sources, private citizens across the USA have been buying up far larger quantities of ammo than DHS. At peak production, U.S. ammunition manufacturers can produce nearly one billion rounds of ammo each week. Most of that production goes straight to the Pentagon for military use. But roughly one-twentieth of it is available for the law enforcement and civilian markets.
That comes to 50 million rounds each week being placed on the market. Most of this is being frantically bought up by individual gun owners. Most ammo doesn’t even make it to store shelves, as full pallets are being trucked off in back lots mere minutes after they arrive at gun shops and retailers.
If these numbers are accurate — and I’m not 100% sure of their accuracy yet — this means U.S. civilians could be buying up to 2.4 billion rounds of ammo in a year’s time, outpacing even DHS ammo purchases. Even more impressively, private citizens are buying up millions of guns each month. All these hundreds of millions of rounds of ammo and millions of firearms are being hidden away until they are needed.
It doesn’t take long to realize what’s really happening here: a massive arms race is underway in America. Rest assured that gun purchasers are not buying guns just so they can turn them in. They are not buying ammo just to turn around and register it with the government. They are not buying 30-round magazines for the purpose of registering them with the criminal, traitorous lawmakers of states like Connecticut. They are buying guns and ammo in order to prepare an armed defense against a corrupt, criminal government that has abandoned the rule of law (the Constitution) and is now aggressively stripping Americans of their guaranteed fundamental rights (the Bill of Rights).
Citizens should stockpile ammo just like DHS
If it comes to a shooting war, private citizens are allies of sheriffs, veterans and many members of law enforcement, including many federal officers. Entire communities will likely band together to defend themselves against federal coercion or even UN troops attempting to overtake and occupy American cities.
Informed Americans know that stockpiling ammo is a wise activity, especially given the likely need to help arm your local sheriffs deputies who are sworn to help defend your community against tyranny. (www.OathKeepers.org) Additionally, stockpiling ammo is exactly what the government is doing, so if anybody asks why you and I are stockpiling ammo, our answer can be exactly the same as DHS: “We’re doing it to significantly lower costs by purchasing in bulk!”
Thus, the argument that individuals don’t “need” all that ammo falls flat on its face. “Need” is not a requirement in the eyes of the government. The only justification necessary is a claim to be “saving money” no matter how much ammo is being stockpiled.
The next time someone asks you why you “need” an AR-15, just reply, “I’m buying them in bulk to significantly lower costs, just like our government!” The same retort can be used to justify purchases of armored vehicles and long-range sniper rounds, too.
The left will never see the bullets coming
Shockingly, voters on the left who are terrified that individuals might stockpile ammo are mysteriously quite comfortable that DHS is doing exactly that on a much larger scale. Individuals are not to be trusted in a socialist nation, you see. Only the government can be trusted, they believe. Little do these people know that most of these DHS bullets are ultimately meant for them.
The first place DHS will set up operations will be the high-density cities, where status quo residents are surprisingly easy to be rounded up, marched to the edge of open pits, then ordered to thank their government executioners while being shot in the head with .40 caliber hollow point bullets that were “purchased in bulk to save money!” Rejoice! Mass murder has never been so affordable.
You may not think any of this could possibly happen, but then again, you probably didn’t think DHS was buying 2+ billion rounds of ammo when we first reported it. (I’m talking to newer visitors now, not long-time Natural News readers.) Like most people, you are hopelessly ignorant of reality, and you have bet your life on the lies of a criminal government that places no value whatsoever on your existence. You live in a never-ending state of denial because the zone of denial is far more comfortable than facing the truth that your own government is arming against you, amassing enough ammunition and armored assault vehicles to wage a 20-year war on the streets of America, all while gutting the Constitution and the Bill of Rights (to the cheers of the socialist left).
If you believe DHS is buying all this just for “training purposes,” you are a fool. Any organization that needs two billion rounds of ammunition to “train” is a standing army. Two billion rounds of ammunition in the hands of a corrupt, criminal government does not create “security.”
It creates an atrocity.
Link Removed
DHS excuse for buying billions of rounds of ammo exposed as yet another blatant lie
Mike Adams
Natural News
April 3, 2013
Responding to a letter from Sen. Tom Coburn, the Department of Homeland Security — an agency that has no business being armed in the first place — says it’s buying billions of rounds of ammunition in order to “significantly lower costs.”
It’s all about saving money, you see. DHS isn’t arming up in anticipation of a shooting war on the streets of America, and it’s not buying thousands of armored assault vehicles for that purpose either. No, DHS is only buying all this ammo to save you money!
This response by DHS, of course, is an obvious lie. Why? Because a significant portion of the bullet purchases specify hollow point rounds. In case you didn’t know, hollow points are significantly MORE expensive than “ball” ammo (FMJ). Under the Geneva convention, hollow points are illegal to use in war because they cause far greater tissue damage, too. So they can only be used domestically, inside the United States in a civil action, not an international war.
If DHS really wanted to “significantly lower costs” on ammunition, it would have purchased FMJ rounds (full metal jacket), not hollow points. But in April of 2012, ammunition manufacturer ATK announced it had been awarded a DHS purchase contract for 450 million rounds of hollow point .40 caliber ammo. That’s almost half a billion rounds right there, and they’re all hollow point rounds.
The press release claimed, “The special hollow point effectively passes through a variety of barriers and holds its jacket in the toughest conditions.” You can read the full original press release at Infowars.com.
The press release on the ATK website, by the way, has been modified to remove any mention of “450 million rounds.” Read it here:
http://www.atk.com/news-releases/atk...ammunition-co…
First it was a conspiracy theory that the bullets existed… now it’s a verified fact that billions of rounds are being purchased
Infowars.com initially publicized this story. With the outstanding reporting of Kurt Nimmo, Paul Joseph Watson, Alex Jones and others, the alternative media forced this story into the mainstream.
But for most of 2012, anyone who claimed DHS was purchasing all this ammo was labeled a “conspiracy theorist” by the leftist delusional media which somehow believed that all this hardware being purchased by DHS was imaginary.
Over time, of course, as all the contracts came out and the proof was undeniable, the mainstream media was forced to admit it wasn’t a conspiracy theory after all. A Forbes.com report that called for a “national conversation” signalled a breakthrough in mainstream awareness of the issue, and it was soon followed by members of Congress demanding answers from DHS.
The first response from DHS was that there were no bullets. They didn’t exist. The contracts were purely fictional and DHS had no intention of actually taking delivery on any bullets.
When that cover story was exposed as an obvious lie, the story shifted to its current distortion: “We bought all that ammo to save you money!” (By the way, where are the apologies to all of us who first reported the DHS ammo purchases and were called conspiracy theorists for breaking the story on now-verified facts?)
Ah, so now the bullets DO exist after all, but we should all be thankful DHS is buying all these bullets because it’s a wonderful example of fiscal responsibility, you see. Because when a government is economically on the verge of collapse, operated by criminals and destroying the liberties of the people, the most important way to “save money” is to load up on billions of rounds of ammo. It makes perfect sense, does it not?
But now the “saving money” cover story is also collapsing due to the fact that most of the bullets purchased are hollow point rounds, and hollow point rounds are the most expensive rounds you can buy. This includes hundreds of thousands of sniper rounds, by the way, which are specified in the purchase contracts as “BTHP” — meaning “Boat Tail Hollow Point.” These sniper rounds are long-range bullets with remarkable flight stability. Depending on the ballistics coefficients and muzzle velocities, some of these bullets have ranges of well over one mile.
Exactly who does DHS need to shoot with hollow point bullets at a range of one mile?
Private citizens are buying 50 million rounds EACH WEEK
According to my sources, private citizens across the USA have been buying up far larger quantities of ammo than DHS. At peak production, U.S. ammunition manufacturers can produce nearly one billion rounds of ammo each week. Most of that production goes straight to the Pentagon for military use. But roughly one-twentieth of it is available for the law enforcement and civilian markets.
That comes to 50 million rounds each week being placed on the market. Most of this is being frantically bought up by individual gun owners. Most ammo doesn’t even make it to store shelves, as full pallets are being trucked off in back lots mere minutes after they arrive at gun shops and retailers.
If these numbers are accurate — and I’m not 100% sure of their accuracy yet — this means U.S. civilians could be buying up to 2.4 billion rounds of ammo in a year’s time, outpacing even DHS ammo purchases. Even more impressively, private citizens are buying up millions of guns each month. All these hundreds of millions of rounds of ammo and millions of firearms are being hidden away until they are needed.
It doesn’t take long to realize what’s really happening here: a massive arms race is underway in America. Rest assured that gun purchasers are not buying guns just so they can turn them in. They are not buying ammo just to turn around and register it with the government. They are not buying 30-round magazines for the purpose of registering them with the criminal, traitorous lawmakers of states like Connecticut. They are buying guns and ammo in order to prepare an armed defense against a corrupt, criminal government that has abandoned the rule of law (the Constitution) and is now aggressively stripping Americans of their guaranteed fundamental rights (the Bill of Rights).
Citizens should stockpile ammo just like DHS
If it comes to a shooting war, private citizens are allies of sheriffs, veterans and many members of law enforcement, including many federal officers. Entire communities will likely band together to defend themselves against federal coercion or even UN troops attempting to overtake and occupy American cities.
Informed Americans know that stockpiling ammo is a wise activity, especially given the likely need to help arm your local sheriffs deputies who are sworn to help defend your community against tyranny. (www.OathKeepers.org) Additionally, stockpiling ammo is exactly what the government is doing, so if anybody asks why you and I are stockpiling ammo, our answer can be exactly the same as DHS: “We’re doing it to significantly lower costs by purchasing in bulk!”
Thus, the argument that individuals don’t “need” all that ammo falls flat on its face. “Need” is not a requirement in the eyes of the government. The only justification necessary is a claim to be “saving money” no matter how much ammo is being stockpiled.
The next time someone asks you why you “need” an AR-15, just reply, “I’m buying them in bulk to significantly lower costs, just like our government!” The same retort can be used to justify purchases of armored vehicles and long-range sniper rounds, too.
The left will never see the bullets coming
Shockingly, voters on the left who are terrified that individuals might stockpile ammo are mysteriously quite comfortable that DHS is doing exactly that on a much larger scale. Individuals are not to be trusted in a socialist nation, you see. Only the government can be trusted, they believe. Little do these people know that most of these DHS bullets are ultimately meant for them.
The first place DHS will set up operations will be the high-density cities, where status quo residents are surprisingly easy to be rounded up, marched to the edge of open pits, then ordered to thank their government executioners while being shot in the head with .40 caliber hollow point bullets that were “purchased in bulk to save money!” Rejoice! Mass murder has never been so affordable.
You may not think any of this could possibly happen, but then again, you probably didn’t think DHS was buying 2+ billion rounds of ammo when we first reported it. (I’m talking to newer visitors now, not long-time Natural News readers.) Like most people, you are hopelessly ignorant of reality, and you have bet your life on the lies of a criminal government that places no value whatsoever on your existence. You live in a never-ending state of denial because the zone of denial is far more comfortable than facing the truth that your own government is arming against you, amassing enough ammunition and armored assault vehicles to wage a 20-year war on the streets of America, all while gutting the Constitution and the Bill of Rights (to the cheers of the socialist left).
If you believe DHS is buying all this just for “training purposes,” you are a fool. Any organization that needs two billion rounds of ammunition to “train” is a standing army. Two billion rounds of ammunition in the hands of a corrupt, criminal government does not create “security.”
It creates an atrocity.
Natural health news is a joke. Read the first sentance of the atricle. "the Department of Homeland Security — an agency that has no business being armed in the first place". Really?!?!?!?! Do ANY of you realize and understand that the Border Patrol, Secret Service and United States Coast Guard are all DHS agencies? The agencies that fall under DHS have an estimated 100,000 uniformed law enforcement personel that need ammo to train and have a legit need for HP duty ammo. The are plenty of real issues with our govenrment, and plenty of reasons not to trust it especially the current administration. But please do some research....the DHS DOES have a legit need for ammo, of all types and a lot of it. Are they contracting for more than they need, probably. I just wish a bunch of you would do some research and quit being sheep. You are not arguing from a position of strength if you are clueless!
dcselby1
Denny
Everyone keeps saying that the DHS has PURCHASED a billion and a half rounds. They have asked for bids TO purchase these rounds over a five year period and may not even do that. Very common for the government. And anyone who thinks that the government would care about the cost of an HP round vs. a FMJ round has not been around too long. And they DO buy in large quantities to save money.
From the perspective that DHS should not exist in the first place.
Speaking of sheeple, apparently you chew the cud. Intelligent folks read multiple stories from multiple angles and discern for themselves, it's a matter of connecting dots.
You could start here-
The U.S. State Department has acknowledged directly providing $385 million support to the Syrian people, including “emergency medical care and medical supplies, food aid, and winterization supplies like blankets and heaters for those affected by the crisis.” The site also reports that “over 4,000 major pieces of equipment have been provided, mostly to Damascus, Aleppo, and other areas with significant opposition presence, including communications and computer equipment, as well as generators.”
You might want to consider that DHS is a straw purchaser and much of the ammo is being shipped to Syria.
Or you could consider this story-
Link Removed
And then consider the lies within the story.
And then consider this commentary-
Then consider that 1.6 billion rounds is enough ammo to fight the Iraq/Afghanistan war for 22 years- just to ad a little perspective.
Also consider the multiple reports of ammo being moved in large bulk around the country by the Fed/military, why? Also the reports that NG armories are being depleted of ammo or are having their ammo removed and stored elsewhere, why?
People like you really need to pull your collective heads out of your asses and look around.
New Threads
-
-
-
-
-
Mystic Seaport Museum, Shelburne Museum Vermont
- Started by Harry45255
- Replies: 0
Members online
No members online now.