Handgun that can eat steel case ammo?

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DirtyHarry420

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Hey guys, I'm new to this site. I am looking for some guidance on finding a semi-auto handgun (preferably in 9mm) that can chew through steel/aluminum case ammo. Seems hard to find, although I hear CZ and Glock are solid and can take a beating. I truly want to know if there is a place in the world for a badass pistol that can run off Tulammo. Thanks!
 
My Springfield XD's (XD, XDs, XDsc) have never had any problem with Tula.... and 4+ years ago when ammo was scarce as an honest politician I shot a lot of it.
 
I don't know of any handgun that won't. If the case is made to the specifications for the designated caliber's chamber, then why would it matter if the case is steel or brass as far as feeding into the gun is concerned?
 
And why would Tulammo, Wolf or any other manufacturer make pistol ammo if most pistols can't cycle it properly?

I have seen it said that steel ammo is harder on extractors than brass or aluminum. While there may be some scientific method for testing the accuracy of that hypothesis, steel moving parts actuating against other steel moving parts is an exceedingly common occurrence across many different industries, so I don't know why it would be more of a concern between guns and the ammo they regularly cycle. While I have fired somewhere between 3,000 and 4,000 rounds of Wolf ammo in .223, I quit using it because of the dirty powder residue that took three or four times as many patches to clean than when using brand-name ammo. And it spread to the tiniest nooks and crannies of my rifles to boot, making it near impossible to ever truly get rid of. There was no damage because of the steel cases that I ever noticed though.

Blues
 
The self-perpetuating myths of the gun community: Today's topic - Steel or Aluminum-cased Ammunition.

If your gun can't cycle a certain steel or aluminum-cased ammunition, then this simply means that you have a gun that generally has problems cycling ammunition. Some may consider such gun a piece of crap, while others may consider it their most prized possession because of its looks or some fantasies.

The OP is nonsensical anyway. You are looking for a "badass pistol that can run off Tulammo"? LOL. What does "badass pistol" even mean?
 
bofh said:
You are looking for a "badass pistol that can run off Tulammo"? LOL. What does "badass pistol" even mean?
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I had thought about addressing that bit with a tosh of sarcasm, but decided to hold my fire.

There is a valid answer to that question though, but it would require knowing in whose hands the pistol is being wielded, because a pistol doesn't become badass until it is grasped by a badass pistolero. 'Least that's the way I see it.
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BluesStringer said:
And why would Tulammo, Wolf or any other manufacturer make pistol ammo if most pistols can't cycle it properly?

I have seen it said that steel ammo is harder on extractors than brass or aluminum. While there may be some scientific method for testing the accuracy of that hypothesis, steel moving parts actuating against other steel moving parts is an exceedingly common occurrence across many different industries, so I don't know why it would be more of a concern between guns and the ammo they regularly cycle. While I have fired somewhere between 3,000 and 4,000 rounds of Wolf ammo in .223, I quit using it because of the dirty powder residue that took three or four times as many patches to clean than when using brand-name ammo. And it spread to the tiniest nooks and crannies of my rifles to boot, making it near impossible to ever truly get rid of. There was no damage because of the steel cases that I ever noticed though.

Blues
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One of those self-perpetuating myths is that steel-cased ammo somehow damages the firearm. The steel used in steel-cased ammo is significantly softer than the steel used in the firearm. The only real problem that one can run into is with bimetal bullets causing more wear on a rifle barrel or setting a range on fire, or lacquer coated ammo getting stuck in the rifle barrel (AR) in a training class where firearms are always kept loaded (wink wink).

I guess I should have posted this:

 
BluesStringer said:
I had thought about addressing that bit with a tosh of sarcasm, but decided to hold my fire.

There is a valid answer to that question though, but it would require knowing in whose hands the pistol is being wielded, because a pistol doesn't become badass until it is grasped by a badass pistolero. 'Least that's the way I see it.
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Well, I was going to suggest getting a "badass pistol" by buying a Glock 19, a decent belt, a decent holster, a good dual magazine carrier, 2,500 rounds of training ammunition, and a few other items (electronic earpro, sun and clear glasses with impact rating, a flashlight, etc.), and then taking a 4- or 5-day training class at a firearms school of my choosing (e.g. Tactical Response Way of the Pistol or Valor Ridge Pistol Immersion) as a starting point.

For those who do not know, a 4- or 5-day training class costs about $1,100. With the up to 2,500 rounds being fired in this class, travel costs and lodging costs, that's typically more than twice as much money spent on training than on equipment. Such a training class will teach fundamental and advanced skills, tactics and mindset.

Alternatively, one can become a member of an Internet gun forum and call themselves an operator:

 
hey kid you must be pretty butthurt that I said "badass pistol" haha lighten up. i have read lots of online reviews and asked people at the range about steel case ammo through their guns. for example, firing Tulammo through a revolver causes the casing to expand, and requires a screwdriver to punch out of the cylinder.
 
DirtyHarry420 said:
hey kid you must be pretty butthurt that I said "badass pistol" haha lighten up. i have read lots of online reviews and asked people at the range about steel case ammo through their guns. for example, firing Tulammo through a revolver causes the casing to expand, and requires a screwdriver to punch out of the cylinder.
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Look at ammoseek.com to find the best prices on ammunition. For example, 1,000 rounds of 9mm Tula costs you $146, while Link Removed costs you $177.85. You save $31.85 on 1,000 rounds. If you think that saving around $30 on 1,000 rounds of ammunition is more important to you than getting more reliable and significantly cleaner ammunition to train and practice with, go ahead. The bi-metal bullet will wear out standard rifling faster though. Also, indoor ranges generally prohibit bi-metal bullets as they spark when hitting a steel backstop and can cause a fire.

As for your "badass pistol" comment, it displays a certain mindset. Most persons with serious firearms training would not use that term, knowing that handguns pretty much suck in general and it is the operator's training that makes him or her "badass" and not the gear. If you look at Internet gun forums, you will realize that the vast majority of posts are about gear and politics, and not about mindset, tactics and skill. Gun enthusiasts spend thousands of Dollars on gear and many hours on posting about their gear and politics, but little-to-none of money and time on training. You seem to be one of them.

Your OP stated a number of things that lead me to believe that you have little-to-none training and that you are chasing common myths about firearms that are typically perpetuated by gear heads on gun forums. You said that you are looking for a handgun that can run steel-/aluminum-cased ammo. The big question is: Why? You said that such gun seems to be hard to find. That's not true at all. You do not mention any other parameters that such handgun must meet, such as size, caliber, action type, capacity. That's just odd. After all, you want to carry this gun, right?

As I said, get a Glock 19 and get some training to become "badass". The classes I posted will provide you with such training:

 
I have 3

I have a Helwan (Egyptian Beretta M1951), a Hi-Point, and a Tauras Millenium G2 11031. All of them chew through metal casings without any trouble.
 
I shoot steel through every gun I own. I mainly shoot a Walther PK380 or my Ruger SR9. Both have zero problems with any type of ammo.


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If I had a gun that couldn't handle whatever I fed it, it would be on my "for sale" list, and would never be considered a defensive weapon I would trust to perform if needed.
 
The idea that ammo quality doesn't matter and that each and every firearm should shoot whatever you decide to run that's on sale through it is nonsense. It seems to be much more valid in compact pistols than in most anything else but even my full sized pistols will puke on a box of crap ammo. Tula and UMC come to mind. Fool me once.

Fortunately, I never had to learn the hard way. Find out what each gun likes, buy it by the case lot, and keep the gun clean. If you want a FTF free firearm, buy a quality bolt action rifle. I've never had a FTF with one. Never. Hard to CC though😏.

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niceshootintex said:
The idea that ammo quality doesn't matter and that each and every firearm should shoot whatever you decide to run that's on sale through it is nonsense. It seems to be much more valid in compact pistols than in most anything else but even my full sized pistols will puke on a box of crap ammo. Tula and UMC come to mind. Fool me once.

Fortunately, I never had to learn the hard way. Find out what each gun likes, buy it by the case lot, and keep the gun clean. If you want a FTF free firearm, buy a quality bolt action rifle. I've never had a FTF with one. Never. Hard to CC though��.

The Place To Be
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You going to bet your life on a gun that is finicky about the ammo.... good luck with that.
 
XD40scinNC said:
You going to bet your life on a gun that is finicky about the ammo.... good luck with that.
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My primary EDC gun is not finicky on ammo so yeah, I'm betting my life on it. It shoots Hornady round after round like a fat kid eats cake. I have "faith" in it😏.

And it's definitely not a Springfield XD. My brother in law bought two, they both got recalled, and after they fixed them, he dumped them. After the recent Illinois FFL debacle, I even put the only Springfield I'd ever actually own on my probably not list. The M1 SOCOM. Christians have principles son.

Why buy a SA when there's Glock, Sig, and Smitty? Seriously. Why?

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