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Tonight I was working an Unarmed Apartment site in Burton Michigan, its a scum hole, use to be an armed site until a liberal company took over the complex and demanded it be an unarmed account, its a rather large account so the owner kept the contract. Anyways....
I carry concealed all of the time, while Im scheduled there, best to be judged by 12 than carried by 6 right? Anyhow, while conducting our normal patrols, we observed an irate male and female in the parking lot by a building, as we rolled up, I observed a B.M with a long gun in his hands, we normally would have fled the situation, but due to a car pulling in behind us, and the irate female in front of our car, we could not leave, without either damaging a vehicle, or running over a woman, I observed the male approach my side of the vehicle [passenger side] angry as hell, weapon at the low ready, and finger on the trigger, I imediatley could tell it was a Ruger 10/22 by the charging handle and the box magazine in the lower area, he approached the car after a command to drop the weapon, he was rambling something about his apartment being broken into, but it was not as important as a man with a gun at my window, ignoring verbal commands. I drew my concealed firearm and pointed it right at him, I disengaged the safety and was putting my finger on the trigger getting ready to fire when his girlfriend stepped in front of me, clearly oblivious to the weapon pointed out of the car window, my partner [corrections officer working part time with us] drew his weapon and pointed it at the male and ordered him to drop the weapon, instead, he fled into his apartment and dropped the gun inside.
I immediately contacted Police who seemed to take forever. Dispatch was on the phone with me the entire time, I kept asking for officers to hurry and explained what had just happened. I informed them the weapon was no longer in his hands, however he keeps going in and out of the apartment, ignoring commands to stay outside, I informed dispatch if he comes out with the weapon again, he was going to be shot. At this point theres approx 50 residents outside watching our activities, the man with the gun calling people racial names, stating he was going to shoot everyone, I relayed the info. However, after 10 minutes, Police are still not there, now the man with a gun is getting upset with us because were not taking information for his apartment that had just been burglarized, taunting us to use force [were supposed to do more observing and reporting than anything, however we became McKinley Management property incident librarians] I forwarded all info to Police.
FINALLY after 15 minutes 8 officers come around the building, weapons now being holstered. They recovered the weapon the resident stated he never had in his possession, we ID'd it prior to them finding it, and then afterward, they ran him and found he had multiple warrants for his arrest, found out he was a felon with a weapon, and arrested him for his warrants and some sort of weapons charge [they did not share the info] Police spoke with me and asked me why I did not "just shoot him" I informed them I held fire because his GF stepped in my way, or else he would have been a dead man. Police stated when they retreived it, they confirmed it was a ruger 10/22 but was now unloaded, I explained I wasnt taking any chances whether it was loaded or not. They commended me for my level head on holding fire, but still stuck to their guns [no pun intended] and stated I would have been justified shooting him, whether the weapon was pointed at me or not. He was a man with a gun with no immediate threat approaching security & irate. Also, small quantity of marijuana in his possession [front right pocket] and under the influence of alcohol.
History: Ive dealt with the couple numerous times for domestic issues, GF would want him gone due to his drinking, however, she would fight with him, then want him back, [annoying as hell] weve tried numerous times to get him trespassed due to him not being a legal resident [by contract] with the property, however, police wouldnt trespass him due to him paying rent and it being his physical address on his license. Oh well, no biggie, however, weve had our issues with him, and him with us. I had no way of knowing if him and his GF were fighting again, and if he escalated the situation into weapons violence.
Summary, drew my gun, he seen it and still acted like an idiot, I would have been justified but showed restraint [although I feel guilty now, I hesitated] and he got arrested. Numerous people witnessed it, although Police say I would have been Justified and my Management, although not happy with the situation, stands behind me....Im sure Ill see some backlash for concealing a weapon on an unarmed site, however Security Mgmt knows everyone conceals weapons theyll bit me to save the account, and thats the other issue, I put my companies contract at risk, however, I hope theyll see the error of using unarmed security on the border of Flint Michigan, a place well known for weapons violence, even with 9 shootings on property since they took over. Oh well.....
Your thoughts? Still a bit rattled, pissed me off something fierce. Stupid moron coming to me with a gun......Lucky hes not dead, although Im sure he will be charged with Brandishing a firearm, Public Menace and Felon in possession of a weapon, and Handling a weapon while intoxicated....Wonder what else will come of it, although they did not take my information, so Im sure I wont see a court room...If I see him on property any time soon, I think Ill file a complaint and bring up charges on my own.
Thoughts?!?!?!?!
I carry concealed all of the time, while Im scheduled there, best to be judged by 12 than carried by 6 right? Anyhow, while conducting our normal patrols, we observed an irate male and female in the parking lot by a building, as we rolled up, I observed a B.M with a long gun in his hands, we normally would have fled the situation, but due to a car pulling in behind us, and the irate female in front of our car, we could not leave, without either damaging a vehicle, or running over a woman, I observed the male approach my side of the vehicle [passenger side] angry as hell, weapon at the low ready, and finger on the trigger, I imediatley could tell it was a Ruger 10/22 by the charging handle and the box magazine in the lower area, he approached the car after a command to drop the weapon, he was rambling something about his apartment being broken into, but it was not as important as a man with a gun at my window, ignoring verbal commands. I drew my concealed firearm and pointed it right at him, I disengaged the safety and was putting my finger on the trigger getting ready to fire when his girlfriend stepped in front of me, clearly oblivious to the weapon pointed out of the car window, my partner [corrections officer working part time with us] drew his weapon and pointed it at the male and ordered him to drop the weapon, instead, he fled into his apartment and dropped the gun inside.
I immediately contacted Police who seemed to take forever. Dispatch was on the phone with me the entire time, I kept asking for officers to hurry and explained what had just happened. I informed them the weapon was no longer in his hands, however he keeps going in and out of the apartment, ignoring commands to stay outside, I informed dispatch if he comes out with the weapon again, he was going to be shot. At this point theres approx 50 residents outside watching our activities, the man with the gun calling people racial names, stating he was going to shoot everyone, I relayed the info. However, after 10 minutes, Police are still not there, now the man with a gun is getting upset with us because were not taking information for his apartment that had just been burglarized, taunting us to use force [were supposed to do more observing and reporting than anything, however we became McKinley Management property incident librarians] I forwarded all info to Police.
FINALLY after 15 minutes 8 officers come around the building, weapons now being holstered. They recovered the weapon the resident stated he never had in his possession, we ID'd it prior to them finding it, and then afterward, they ran him and found he had multiple warrants for his arrest, found out he was a felon with a weapon, and arrested him for his warrants and some sort of weapons charge [they did not share the info] Police spoke with me and asked me why I did not "just shoot him" I informed them I held fire because his GF stepped in my way, or else he would have been a dead man. Police stated when they retreived it, they confirmed it was a ruger 10/22 but was now unloaded, I explained I wasnt taking any chances whether it was loaded or not. They commended me for my level head on holding fire, but still stuck to their guns [no pun intended] and stated I would have been justified shooting him, whether the weapon was pointed at me or not. He was a man with a gun with no immediate threat approaching security & irate. Also, small quantity of marijuana in his possession [front right pocket] and under the influence of alcohol.
History: Ive dealt with the couple numerous times for domestic issues, GF would want him gone due to his drinking, however, she would fight with him, then want him back, [annoying as hell] weve tried numerous times to get him trespassed due to him not being a legal resident [by contract] with the property, however, police wouldnt trespass him due to him paying rent and it being his physical address on his license. Oh well, no biggie, however, weve had our issues with him, and him with us. I had no way of knowing if him and his GF were fighting again, and if he escalated the situation into weapons violence.
Summary, drew my gun, he seen it and still acted like an idiot, I would have been justified but showed restraint [although I feel guilty now, I hesitated] and he got arrested. Numerous people witnessed it, although Police say I would have been Justified and my Management, although not happy with the situation, stands behind me....Im sure Ill see some backlash for concealing a weapon on an unarmed site, however Security Mgmt knows everyone conceals weapons theyll bit me to save the account, and thats the other issue, I put my companies contract at risk, however, I hope theyll see the error of using unarmed security on the border of Flint Michigan, a place well known for weapons violence, even with 9 shootings on property since they took over. Oh well.....
Your thoughts? Still a bit rattled, pissed me off something fierce. Stupid moron coming to me with a gun......Lucky hes not dead, although Im sure he will be charged with Brandishing a firearm, Public Menace and Felon in possession of a weapon, and Handling a weapon while intoxicated....Wonder what else will come of it, although they did not take my information, so Im sure I wont see a court room...If I see him on property any time soon, I think Ill file a complaint and bring up charges on my own.
Thoughts?!?!?!?!
