I was informed the other day that if I told my doctor (VA or other) that I was depressed or the doctor told me that I was suffering from depression that I should not inform him/her that I owned a gun or had CWP. If I did inform them that I owned a gun/CWP, he/she would have to inform law enforcement of my depression which would require law enforcement to remove the weapons from my house and they would take my CWP from me. Has anyone heard of this? I,m in western NC. :neo:
Guns and your Doctor
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Nightmare45
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Nope and why is guns your doctors business.
James Hamlin
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its none of their business.... but you yourself need to be aware of your limits and take the appropriate actions should you fall upon treatment for depression... i have already discussed this with my daughter.. and gave her the instructions of what to do for my safety, should the need arise. just my opinion..
beachbum17
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That's actually true. I've read articles about it and one of my political friends had the doctor about the questions he asked and he told them if he had answered yes to depression, feeling threatened, or stress he would be reported to homeland security and his weapons stripped away. It's real. Realize those three questions are spread among your visit questionnaire
Be quick to think and slow to answer
Be quick to think and slow to answer
craigguinn
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i do know that is true on the vetrans admin level......it is part of the questions they ask.......repeatedly.
localgirl
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Not true. You have to be determined unstable or mentally defective by a judge. A doctor does not have the right to remove your constitutional rights. They can remand you to police or hospital custody if they feel you are in immediate danger, and firearms may be removed at that point.
But no, if depression were a disqualifier from owning firearms, half the gun-owning population would be unarmed.
But no, if depression were a disqualifier from owning firearms, half the gun-owning population would be unarmed.
CharlesMorrison
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Maybe.....?
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fstroupe
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If I'm not mistaken, this is not the first thread on this topic, I've seen this somewhere else. So obviously there is something to it, or a really big rumor.
It isn't anyone's business that you own a gun...except the criminal on the business end of it, and I don't think that he is going to tell. Though you might want to mention to the VA that since you left active duty you are terrified of all guns.....
It isn't anyone's business that you own a gun...except the criminal on the business end of it, and I don't think that he is going to tell. Though you might want to mention to the VA that since you left active duty you are terrified of all guns.....
BC1
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There are exceptions to federal HIPAA privacy regulations when a health facility believes there is an imminent danger. They can report your medical condition.
Public safety reasons include when a health professional believes that the person whose health information is at issue may harm themselves or may harm someone else. Verified threats to commit suicide or to harm another person give rise to an exception to the HIPAA Privacy Rule.
Public safety reasons include when a health professional believes that the person whose health information is at issue may harm themselves or may harm someone else. Verified threats to commit suicide or to harm another person give rise to an exception to the HIPAA Privacy Rule.
Nightmare45
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Just got back from doctors office, for a checkup and a check he purchased a Colt Python 357 from me. Nice Guy good checkup.
Rhino
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That's an urban legend that's been circling the internet for quite a while now.
Actually they can't even be removed then. You have to be legally adjudicated as mentally defective before your guns can be taken away.
Yep. It's come up here several times. And it likely will again. There's no end to what people will fall for in their Inbox or on the internet.
It's a REALLY big rumor. But it does have a basis in fact. There are actually two real events that tie into this urban legend. One involves questions by doctors and the other involves the VA.
The American Acadamy of Pediatrics (AAP) believes that private ownership of firearms should be illegal, supposedly because of their concern for the safety of children. It started back in the late eighties to early nineties when they issued 'well child guidelines' and told their member physicians to take an interest in their patients beyond just what happened in the examination room. They told the physicians to start addressing childrens' health overall, to include the home environment. They gave the physicians lists of questions to ask the parents of their patients, about health matters in the home and dangers in the home. The physicians were told by the AAP to counsel the parents to lock up all firearms, or even better yet, get rid of them entirely. Doc Mustang, a member of this forum, is a physician and has first hand knowledge of these practices. Those antigun questions and biases have since spread to some other physicians in other specialties, so you may hear reports of them being asked by non-pediatricians. But the American Acadamy of Pediatrics is the only organization that has ever advocated them as an official policy. Several states have instituted regulations or laws to curb such practices. In fact, Florida recently passed a law to prevent physicians from asking about guns, and the effort to pass that law was prompted by pediatricians asking AAP sponsored questions. But none of those questions ever threatened the ownership of guns. The same cannot be said for the VA.
The VA treats all manner of disabled veterans. Those disabilities can be physical, mental or a combination of the two. A disabled veteran has to wade through an almost endless mire of government red tape and paperwork on a constant basis. I can attest to that personally. It can be difficult for anyone, disabled or not, and even people at the VA often have a hard time understanding it. For that reason, disabled veterans are offered the option of turning their care over to a VA representative who will handle all of the red tape and paperwork for them, or they can officially turn it over to a family member or other person close to them. It's something akin to a medical power of attorney. What many veterans don't find out until after they've done this is, the VA considers this action to be the veteran admitting that he no longer has the capacity to handle his own affairs. To the VA, this is the equivalent of the veteran declaring himself incompetent and committing himself to a mental institution, except there's no mental institution. The VA then reports to the FBI (Homeland Security has nothing to do with gun ownership) that the veteran has been adjudicated as mentally defective. Then the veteran can no longer pass a NICS check to buy a gun. Several congressmen have introduced bills to stop this practice but none have passed yet.
The combination of these two real events has been melded into the urban legend about losing your gun rights when a doctor asks you questions about guns.
BC1
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Cool. Our dermatologist has his FFL.
BC1
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Wasn't there a guy on the news last week who was taken down after he spoke to a suicide hotline? Cops, cuffs, etc. I think a recent vet. Anyone remember this?
I found this one. Very interesting. Courthouse News Service Also covered extensively in The Washington Times http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog...-swat-rampage-destroys-iraq-vets-home-over-g/
From the lawsuit (complaint) filed by Corrigan:
I found this one. Very interesting. Courthouse News Service Also covered extensively in The Washington Times http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog...-swat-rampage-destroys-iraq-vets-home-over-g/
From the lawsuit (complaint) filed by Corrigan:
"Corrigan telephoned what he believed to be the 'Military's Emotional Support Hotline' because he was depressed and had not slept for several days." The number Corrigan called was in fact the National Suicide Hotline. When he stated that he was a veteran, he was asked if he had firearms, to which he said yes. He said nothing about being suicidal or using a firearm or threatening anyone. At approximately 4 a.m. in the morning of Feb. 3, 2010, Corrigan awoke because he heard his name being called over a bullhorn. When Officer Robert Glover asked Corrigan for the key to his apartment, he informed the officer: 'There is no way I am giving you consent to enter my place.' Officer John Doe I stated: 'I don't have time to play this constitutional ********!' and ordered that members of the Emergency Response Team (ERT), enter the apartment." Police took him to a VA hospital, broke his front door and entered his apartment without a warrant, where they confiscated his guns, vandalized his place and took his dog to an animal shelter.
Nightmare45
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None of the damn VA's Business as far as my kids safety (all adults now) they are safer with me with a gun than a nut case in their gun free zone.
While its true that they ask, they can't do anything but encourage you to get rid of them (or out of your house atleast). I'm a medical student finishing my last year and I've been put in the situation where I'm supposed to ask. If yes then It goes down in your record, and a box has to be checked that you were counseled. The person to review that record and bring it up further would be the mental health doc most likely. (for the record I agree its not their business)
BC1
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As a physician aren't you a mandated reporter by law? If you believe someone is a nutjob and a danger to others are you just gonna check the box and collect his co-pay? Aren't certain people required to report... like a teacher who sees evidence of child abuse? Someone clarify for me please.
