~Gun Violence is a "Social Disease"???~

[The_Outlaw]

Is a gun like a virus, tobacco or alcohol? According to “public health experts,“ who in the wake of recent mass shootings are calling for a fresh look at gun violence as a ”social disease,” it is.
What we need, they say, is a “public health approach” to the problem.
Dr. Garen Wintemute of University of California, Davis claims it is no longer enough to tackle gun violence by focusing solely on the people doing the shooting. Dr. Stephen Hargarten, who treated victims of the Sikh temple shootings at the emergency department he heads in Milwaukee, feels the same way.
“What I’m struggling with is, is this the new social norm?” he asked, before asserting: “This is what we’re going to have to live with if we have more personal access to firearms.”
He continued: “We have a public health issue to discuss. Do we wait for the next outbreak or is there something we can do to prevent it?”
-Disease patterns, observing how a problem spreads. Gun ownership – a precursor to gun violence – can spread “much like an infectious disease circulates,” said Daniel Webster, a health policy expert and co-director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research in Baltimore. “There’s sort of a contagion phenomenon” after a shooting, where people feel they need to have a gun for protection or retaliation, he said.

Public Health ‘Experts’ Targeting Gun Violence as ‘Public Health Issue’ | TheBlaze.com

These so called 'Doctors' really need to STFU. The only disease that I see within this article is the Anti 2nd-Amendment Mindest that comes from Liberalism -aka- 'LibTardism'. And everyone should know by now that modern day liberalism is a serious mental disorder.

 

[JohnD13]

Since you are far more likely to die from incompetence at the hand of a doctor, then from a deranged gunman's bullet, I think this concerned MD's need to spend more time examining their own problems.

 

[JohnLM]

Everybody want to blame "The Gun" and not the nut cases who get the gun, Illegally I might add!! I will place the article under the file called "Bull Crap!!!"

 

[craigguinn]

lets see if i got this right? keep guns away from crazy people.......good luck w/that.

 

[Bob_M]

These so called 'Doctors' really need to STFU. The only disease that I see within this article is the Anti 2nd-Amendment Mindest that comes from Liberalism -aka- 'LibTardism'. And everyone should know by now that modern day liberalism is a serious mental disorder.

You sir are absolutely correct. I couldn't have said it better. :smile:

 

[walt629]

TO some extent I have to agree with the premis, however we as a society need to look inward for the cause and solution.

Too many families are made up of individuals that have minimal interpersonal interaction. Dads go off to fend for the family and spend more and more time at the job rather than interacting with the offspring they are supposed to be responsible for. Moms have to take up a second household job to make ends meet because of the failing economy and because most families have never learned to live within their means. The children are left in the care of others that are only responsible to the children for the paycheck involved or they are left to fend for themselves in front of a social media source or worse yet, in front of a computer game.

This behavior develops into antisocial behavior issues as a child and compounds greatly as the child grows and goes off to college and become fodder for the liberal indoctrination from the "higher" education system. The behavior of high school and in increasing number of middle school social circles is increasingly degrading to the 'non-member' of the circle and outright humiliation and abhorrent behavior towards the outsiders is not only condoned but encouraged by the 'inner circle'.

And yet the parents who are responsible for beginning this behavioral trait in the first place are the first ones to say the issue is someone else's fault and problem.

I would say that we, as a society need to change. And that change has to start in the home.

As far as people feeling the need to arm themselves against this kind of heinous act, I say the doctor is right. After witnessing ant and depraved and senseless as this or the Aurora massacre, people do want to be protected. Finally, I think, people are finally begininning to realize that their government can't of won't protect them in the moment. People are starting th wake up and see the blood in the streets and are saying to themselves "I won't let that happen to me."

 

[BC1]

I believe the increase in gun violence is not a social disease but rather the result of other social disease combined with a predisposition, or appetite for such violence.

Lack of moral fiber, ethical behavior, respect, self worth, influence of sensationalized headlines, etc. The increase in school bullying is not a result of guns but rather the result of other social disorder. Much is fueled by lack of parenting as "latch-key" kids have no supervision and are subject to more influence by outside forces. Parenting has somewhat disappeared, replaced by "overparenting" in which little Jimmy's every whim is catered to by his parents, or underparenting in which mom and dad are deadbeats with kids... there's no homework, no moral fiber programmed at an early age, no meal on the table, the place looks like hell... full of garbage and the local rodents are hanging-out with their kids and nobody cares.

But it's not this alone. This merely sets the background. If little Jimmy is already nutty, born of drug parents, fetal alcohol syndrome, various mental disorders or exhibits the elements of antisocial personality disorder (sociopath), then he's already on his way to becoming the next shooter. The gun is merely the tool of choice; the weapon could easily be a knife, a Ford Excursion or even a SPORK. Truth is, little Jimmy is nuts. Plenty of kids that grow up with these influences don't commit crimes. Many find the strength to rise above it and go on to be wonderful people.

So despite the significant social disease prevelant in America, these violent types have other issues; mainly they're nutso.

The next ime a pundit appears on TV asking what made Jimmy snap? Was it the rock music? Was he bullied? Did mommy not hug him? Ask THEM, what happened to nuts? When you fix that, you'll fix the violent spree killer problem.

 

[golocx4]

I have said it before, and this could be the opening salvo.
Obama care is not about your health or caring. It is about control.
They can and will tax the cause of the costs of inner city gun violence, guns and ammo, and thus get their precious gun control using the logic that legal gun owners must help pay for the carnage. (Their logic not mine)

Of course this Doctor fails to mention the wanton violence created and shown to kids by the elite Hollywood types.

 

[kelcarry]

So gun violence is a disease. When I am in imminent threat of my life, I will kill anyone and everyone who threatens me--I guess I am one sick puppy.

 

[localgirl]

I agree, gun violence is a disease. But its vector isn't firearms. Wash your hands, take your vitamin C, and don't teach your kids that the world owes them something and they can solve their problems by being little arseholes.

 

[Ringo]

Another SIGN OF THE END OF THE AGE

I believe the increase in gun violence is not a social disease but rather the result of other social disease combined with a predisposition, or appetite for such violence.

Lack of moral fiber, ethical behavior, respect

So despite the significant social disease prevelant in America, these violent types have other issues

The Social Disease is SIN​

(2 Timothy 3:1-7) Godlessness in the Last Days... This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

(Galatians 5:19-21) Now the works of the flesh are plain: fornication, impurity, licentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger, selfishness, dissension, party spirit, envy, drunkenness, carousing, and the like.

(Jeremiah 17:9-10) The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately corrupt; who can understand it?

(Mark 7:20-23) For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, fornication, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness, deceit, licentiousness, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within, and they defile a man."

 

[fudo]

Gun Violence is a "Social Disease"
A special message for those who feel this way....:nono:

 

[golocx4]

Repeat after me. Hello, My name is ______________ and I am a hoploholic.

I remember back in the 50's. Someone came out and said. Alcoholism is a Disease, and should be treated as a disease. (I think is was about the time that Barbara Walters admitted that she had a problem.)
There was much controversy about such a statement. But, that is how it all started.
Sooooo. If you are a gun owner, you are one sick badstard. Now stand up and repeat after me.
Hello, My name is ______________ and I am a hoploholic. ( for you youngins, the blank spot is where you say your name)

 

[eagleeyes]

i consider war as a social disease yes but carrying to protect one's self is common sense imo

 

[captD]

When I used to be out cattin around, a condomn was my shield against disease. We used to ask each other if we were "packin", just in case. I guess that term holds an entirely new meaning now!

 

[The_Outlaw]

The Social Disease is SIN​

(2 Timothy 3:1-7) Godlessness in the Last Days... This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
(Galatians 5:19-21) Now the works of the flesh are plain: fornication, impurity, licentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger, selfishness, dissension, party spirit, envy, drunkenness, carousing, and the like.
(Jeremiah 17:9-10) The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately corrupt; who can understand it?
(Mark 7:20-23) For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, fornication, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness, deceit, licentiousness, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within, and they defile a man."

Exactly Right On! I could not have said it better! =-)

 

[eagleks]

Well... funding in most States and the Fedl Govt have been extremely cut in the last 20 yrs, Mental institutions have been to the most part all closed, and the treatment of mental illness has and is nearly non-existent. Those with serious problems, are put on the streets. And in the end... they expected what ... to happen ?

Is this the norm, yes ! BG's get guns ... e.g. Chicago... even when it's illegal and kill people. They also kill people with bombs, knives, poison, baseball bats, etc. So "guns" are not the issue. Do they not notice that almost all mass shootings are done in "gun free zones " ?

We only want to be able to defend and protect ourselves from these idiots, and they pick on us ? why ?

Get real and discuss the real issues, and "guns" is not the issue.

 

[maine04619]

Gun violence? I never understood this myself. We do not have knife violence, baseball bat violence, car violence, rock violence, sword violence or fist violence. However if you use a firearm then it is somehow the gun's fault or responsibility?

 

[Bikenut]

Social disease? I submit the following:

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Hoplophobe
A person with hoplophobia, a morbid fear of guns

and....

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Hoplophobia
Morbid fear of guns and firearms
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It would appear that all those who are trying to use every excuse possible to get rid of guns are the one's who are suffering from the disease of...

Hoplophobia...

So I must ask..... just exactly WHO are the real sickos?

 

[Rayb]

I agree that the current "gun violence" problem is a systemic issue. These liberals need to pull out a mirror and take a long look at the root cause. They have worked very hard for decades to create an entitlement society where there is no self reliance, no work ethics and no moral base. When 50% of a people are not contributing but expect all to be given to them because they are "entitled"' when they don't get it they will lash out against the "evil uncaring" folks that are working hard and trying to better themselves and provide for their families and a better society.
They have also created this system of justice where the criminal has become the victim because they are misunderstood and we do nothing but cuddle them. We see every day crimes committed by people that have spent a life time committing crimes just to be released, and that circle continues until they are killed or they kill someone.
Rant over.......