Gun Show Loop Hole - Here We Go Again


okie

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New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg is at it again:fie:, I'd like to see the actual numbers of guns that are sold without background checks to thugs at gun shows. I know some are but most buy stolen guns from other thugs:angry:

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Phillip Gain

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My opinion: This is probably the most fair and objective article I've seen on this issue in a long time. The reporter stuck with the facts, and at the end of the article presented a synopsis from both points of view. Good to see that quality journalism isn't dead. (It just no longer exists in major publications.)

Personally - I'm not entirely sure how I feel about the "gun show loophole." I generally think that the government should not interfere in private sales of anything. However, there's a trend of so-called "private sellers" at shows who actually sell as many firearms as dealers do. And as this story shows, some criminals do know the laws and are taking advantage.

I can see both sides. And I'm not sure where I stand.
 

Nightmare45

NRA LIFE MEMBER
While we are at it, Bloomberg should be prosecuted for the straw purchases that were made on camera for his fight against these sales two wrongs do not make a right. Firmly believe I can sell anything I own.
 

G50AE

Well-known member
Personally - I'm not entirely sure how I feel about the "gun show loophole." I generally think that the government should not interfere in private sales of anything. However, there's a trend of so-called "private sellers" at shows who actually sell as many firearms as dealers do. And as this story shows, some criminals do know the laws and are taking advantage.

I can see both sides. And I'm not sure where I stand.

Phillip a lot of those people used to have FFL's. Durring the Clinton years the ATF conducted a purge of FFL holders. Basically stating that these people did not need FFL's because they were not in the business of firearms sales. This is a Clinton created issue. Had Clinton's ATF let these people go along unpurged, they would have FFL's and be doing all of the same paperwork as any other FFL holder.
 

nogods

Active member
New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg is at it again:fie:, I'd like to see the actual numbers of guns that are sold without background checks to thugs at gun shows. I know some are but most buy stolen guns from other thugs:angry:

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Are you upset that Kyle Ditty and Shayvion Furlow were arrested for possession of weapons while under a legal disability?
 

okie

New member
No!! The fact the Bloomberg and others are always saying B-Guys use Gun Shows as a way to buy weapons without having to fillout proper paper-work. I agree that these dirt bags should be arrested.
 

krdyt

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ok first off, that article, the guy didnt get his facts straight. Kyle is not convicted twice of crack cocaine. look up his record on montgomery county clerk of courts records, google it put his name in. second parties shouldn't speculate the case cos its total crap and the REAL article that made the paper Kyle was hardly mentioned, but the friend in the article was the buyer and soon to be registrar,not Kyle.

Kyle was convicted of <.1 gram of cocaine in 2003 and 2004, residue, nothing our past 5 presidents havent done, sp what he experimented with at a young age. it was a mistake and cost him his right to protect his family. no trouble with police since he entered rehab and payed his debt to society.

all this article is, is speculation even by the police, its nothing but probables and bullcrap about the BG check. its so wrong in fact lawyers are working on suing the author for slander on kyles name.

Furlow is a decent, maybe violent youth living in a violent city where you nearly HAVE to have a gun or you get killed or robbed! for some reason they singled kyle out, put him as the star of the article, and put the violent robber and burgler under that! this guy has done crimes where there is a victim involved. i hardly think kyles past adds up to any harm to anyone. a victimless crime of possession of residue.

what this article doesnt mention, is that kyle and his 'friend' went, friend purchased weapon, they were pulled over while exiting the show, detained, let go WITH the gun because it was the friends gun not kyles. once they arrived from dayton ohio where the gun show was, to west carrollton ohio (60 min drive from first traffic stop) when the friend lived, police swarmmed then in a swat type manner even after the first stop kyle was let go with just a ticket for no rear view mirror.

kyle was simply detained for being in the car with a gun. please dont be so quick to judge based on an article, if needed i could scan the other article. you should not even mention kyle and the furlow guy in the same category of criminal! it just propaganda. so 'the friend of kyle' was not arrested? why? he purchased the weapon, they just needed kyle to arrest and have more people. by the way, there were 16 people arrested in a 2 day sting, not 4 like they say.
 

krdyt

New member
My opinion: This is probably the most fair and objective article I've seen on this issue in a long time. The reporter stuck with the facts, and at the end of the article presented a synopsis from both points of view. Good to see that quality journalism isn't dead. (It just no longer exists in major publications.)

Personally - I'm not entirely sure how I feel about the "gun show loophole." I generally think that the government should not interfere in private sales of anything. However, there's a trend of so-called "private sellers" at shows who actually sell as many firearms as dealers do. And as this story shows, some criminals do know the laws and are taking advantage.

I can see both sides. And I'm not sure where I stand.

phil you say this article is fair and objective and factual? did you even look into the record of kyle? here is a link to prove the reporter didnt fact check, and he got in deep water over it. Montgomery County PRO V2 just type in the name of either person.

also two other guys were there, selling in the aisles, selling stolen pistols. and id like to mention that the gun WAS purchased off of a federal dealer, he was an ohio resident though so he did have weapons on the side table that he was able to sell to other ohio residents as a private seller.

please take the time to look before you judge my brother. even that site has it listed as heroin, then in the docket, its listed as pleas guilty to < 1 gram of cocaine (residues left in a baggie/straw) which ever it was.

look him up on facebook if you like, youll see that hes a family man has a wife and kid and is doing right with his life, he was simply in the car with a gun, thats not a crime. not to mention he was burglarized while he was at home on fathers day, dayton is a very dangerous city to live in. please dont judge people before you know the whole story.

this is a shot at taking ALL of you legal CCW peoples rights away, thats what Goonberg wants. before you side with him please try to see it from another side thanks.
 

krdyt

New member
Are you upset that Kyle and Shayvion Furlow were arrested for possession of weapons while under a legal disability?

kyle was picked up for under disability from a conviction in aug 2003 and march 2004, for nothing more than residue. shayvion was picked up because hes robbed someone with a gun, hes been caught with loaded weapons, and he just got off probation in may for a gun charge.

this hardly seems like a fair comparison. im sure some of you smoke or drink beer, do you consider your self disabled? i dont consider you disabled. kyle cant collect a disability check from the government, how does this make him disabled!? true he screwed up when he was young, but has been straight and narrow since then.
 

krdyt

New member
No!! The fact the Bloomberg and others are always saying B-Guys use Gun Shows as a way to buy weapons without having to fillout proper paper-work. I agree that these dirt bags should be arrested.

it will be you next after 'operation fast and furious' are you guys so lame to think that the 2nd amendment will actually let you CCW or even own anything more than a .22?

what makes you call them dirtbags, do you know them personally? have you met them? do you know details of the so called 'case' against them? what about the other 14 people busted in the sting op? i have news for ya, theres a sting op coming to a property near you once the Gvmnt does away with the right to bare arms!
 
I'm of the opinion that there should be a separation of "dealer gun shows" and "collector/private gun shows" with a very definable difference between the two. At "dealer gun shows", EVERYONE buying a weapon has to submit to background checks (and I'd argue that every seller must have an FFL.) At "collector/private gun shows", NOONE with an FFL is allowed to sell, nor is anyone allowed to sell in such a way as to violate FFL laws. So it would truly be a place for private owners to buy and sell small numbers of weapons.

But yeah, before Oregon closed the "gun show loophole" (so I can't tell the difference between 'private' and 'commercial' sellers any more,) I would see "private" sellers with more for sale than commercial. I'm sorry, but those people are just flouting the law, plain and simple. Just like my wife's ex who buys and sells cars "on the side", to the tune of more than one car a month. He's a "used car dealer" who just doesn't pay taxes.
 

krdyt

New member
Ed, the guy who sold the .380 was a licensed dealer, but he had a table of privates ohio to ohio. it wasnt a no questions asked except are you a fed from what im told. this is just to get this so called loophole closed and then everyone will be regged with the feds and the feds can come get your guns when ever they want.

i can only speak in kyles behalf, and what he told me but most of the people were just working class people and this was set up to make the so called loophole get more attention. they lie in the article and most people believe it. look up kyle on facebook and tell me if he looks like a damn criminal to you. so he tried a little drugs and got caught, the stuff may not have even been his, but he took the blame.

that shouldnt stop a non violent person from owning a firearm, every on makes mistakes and most people grow up and make a family, and they dont deserve the right to protect their family anymore? when the violent criminals have the unregistered guns bought in the back allies, they could just look up the non violents on public records and pick them off one by one
 

tattedupboy

Thank God I'm alive!
Even at the risk of playing devil's advocate, I'm gonna jump in here. Most gun owners who sell firearms (whether they are FFLs or not) know that felons are prohibited by law from possessing firearms or ammunition. Knowing this, no way no how would I do a sale at either a gun show or privately to someone whom I do not know. Why anyone would is beyond me; if you don't know the person and the gun later shows up at a crime scene, the police may very well knock on your door at some point. Sure you may have a bill of sale to show that you are no longer the owner of the firearm, but what good would that do if all you can tell them is that you had no way of knowing that the buyer was a felon or that he would use the gun to commit a crime? The ONLY people I would sell a firearm to are nonfelons whom I know personally and trust. I don't care how trustworthy a stranger portrays himself to be or how good a price he offers for a firearm I own, I would NEVER sell a firearm to him. What better way to cover your tail than to never let it get exposed in the first place?
 

Mosbyranger

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All those damn gun shows need to be closed down. Everyone knows that we all walk out of there with fully automatic weapons, case after case of ammo, RPG's, land mines, mortars, artillery pieces and small yield nukes. All without filling out any paperwork. Every single one of these are destined to go to either Mexico or to Al Queda. Well, maybe not Mexico, the BATFE hates competition.
MR
 

krdyt

New member
What better way to cover your tail than to never let it get exposed in the first place?


get the buyer to sign a bill of sale, releasing you of all responsibilities or actions of gun serial #, name date and notarized. thats about the only way to cover your tail if you choose to sell a weapon that is in your name. as far as i know
 

krdyt

New member
All those damn gun shows need to be closed down. Everyone knows that we all walk out of there with fully automatic weapons, case after case of ammo, RPG's, land mines, mortars, artillery pieces and small yield nukes. All without filling out any paperwork. Every single one of these are destined to go to either Mexico or to Al Queda. Well, maybe not Mexico, the BATFE hates competition.
MR

operation fast and furious. nuff said.
 

ONLYPILL

New member
All those damn gun shows need to be closed down. Everyone knows that we all walk out of there with fully automatic weapons, case after case of ammo, RPG's, land mines, mortars, artillery pieces and small yield nukes. All without filling out any paperwork. Every single one of these are destined to go to either Mexico or to Al Queda. Well, maybe not Mexico, the BATFE hates competition.
MR

Don't forget about the Tactical Nuclear Weapons they sell from the tailgates of the pickup trucks with rifles racks showing. Quick, Tell Janet Reno !
 

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