Gun Control For Thou, But Not For Thee....

[nogods]

People incarcerated in jails and prisons, and on private property where the owner disallows it, no, but everywhere else that I can think of would be an unequivocal "Yes!"

Where do you see that exception in the 2A?

Does that invisible exception apply to people who are not incarcerated in a prison or jail, but are there visiting or on business, such as someone fixing the HVAC? Or someone being held prior to arraignment?

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[BluesStringer]

Where do you see that exception in the 2A?

Does that invisible exception apply to people who are not incarcerated in a prison or jail, but are there visiting or on business, such as someone fixing the HVAC? Or someone being held prior to arraignment?

And maybe i was wrong about you, maybe you are PHD candidate:

Look simp, you asked a direct question. I gave a direct answer "Yes" and "Absolutely yes" at least twice in just the last post alone. Using examples to validate, support and otherwise expound on those answers is just proper conversational technique. Talk about not being able to address the real question and directing attention elsewhere, you have nothing to counter anything that I've said except to imply that the absence of words in founding documents is what gives authority to the federal government to create exceptions to our rights. To the extent that the absence of words may be meaningful at all, the issue is covered adequately in the 9th and 10th Amendments. The federal government has no authority to address the absence of words to which you refer.

Otherwise, go pound sand. You're tediously misanthropic.

Blues

 

[nogods]

Look simp, you asked a direct question. I gave a direct answer "Yes" and "Absolutely yes" at least twice in just the last post alone. Using examples to validate, support and otherwise expound on those answers is just proper conversational technique. Talk about not being able to address the real question and directing attention elsewhere, you have nothing to counter anything that I've said except to imply that the absence of words in founding documents is what gives authority to the federal government to create exceptions to our rights. To the extent that the absence of words may be meaningful at all, the issue is covered adequately in the 9th and 10th Amendments. The federal government has no authority to address the absence of words to which you refer.

Otherwise, go pound sand. You're tediously misanthropic.

Blues

You are the one who claims there is an exception for people incarcerated in a prison.

Apparently you just made that exception up.

So what we know is that you believe the 2A guarantees every person the right to possess any arms in any place at any time, except for people incarcerated in a prison (which would not others in the prison like repair men and pre-arraignment detainees) but you can't point to anything in the Constitution or Bill of Rights that creates such an exception.

In other words, you are stumped by the 2A.

 

[ventman]

Would like to see how this turns out. My guess is that the guy will get a pass.

 

[nogods]

You are probably right.

and that could be for several reasons.

1. Because of his "connections" - he's "one of the good guys (i.e. he supports gun control) and just made a mistake."

2. Because of his mea culpa - he didn't stick his chin out and start shouting "what part of shall not be infringed don't you understand!"

3. Because he gets represented by a lawyer who knows how to negotiate a resolution.

But I'd rather he challenge the constitutionality of the law.

 

[NavyLCDR]

I'm willing to bet $$$ that he cops a plea bargain to a misdemeanor, like disturbing the peace, pays a fine, and that's it. After all, if he had not succeeded in raising the violation to a felony, then he wouldn't be able to do a plea bargain down to a misdemeanor.

 

[S&W645]

Just another anti-gun liberal hypocrite. Trial Opens for Rowan in Shooting of Trespasser - NYTimes.com

 

[BluesStringer]

So it looks like this guy is going to be prosecuted, which I'm somewhat surprised about, but anyway, here ya go:

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[NavyLCDR]

So it looks like this guy is going to be prosecuted, which I'm somewhat surprised about, but anyway, here ya go:

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Blues,

Not really new news. Dwayne Ferguson allegedly committed his felony on February 6th, and the article you linked was from February 7th - the next day.

 

[BluesStringer]

Blues,

Not really new news. Dwayne Ferguson allegedly committed his felony on February 6th, and the article you linked was from February 7th - the next day.

Yeah, I found that out after I posted it. I ran across it as an "update" on another site, then just a couple of minutes ago went back and saw a poster on that site with an almost identical post as yours. LOL I forgot that he'd been arrested and bonded out, so I didn't catch it. Oh well. I was wrong once before! I thought I was wrong, but I wasn't! LOL

Blues

 

[S&W645]

While I might feel that he should get off on the gun charge because the law itself is illegal, I also feel that as one who helped vote in that law he should be held to a higher standard. Boot him from office and revoke his right to ever hold another public office for violating his oath of office. And he can still be jailed as the charge would be treason. Then lock up the rest of his fellow voters and the Gov on the same charges.

 

[BluesStringer]

While I might feel that he should get off on the gun charge because the law itself is illegal, I also feel that as one who helped vote in that law he should be held to a higher standard. Boot him from office and revoke his right to ever hold another public office for violating his oath of office. And he can still be jailed as the charge would be treason. Then lock up the rest of his fellow voters and the Gov on the same charges.

Actually, I get exactly where you're coming from because when I posted the OP, I was under the mistaken impression that Ferguson was a government employee too, hence all the references to "oligarch" etc. He wasn't though. He was, for lack of a better term, a community organizer, simply a private citizen who advocated in public and quite effectively it would seem, for his own position(s) on gun control. It certainly makes him no less of a hypocrite, but it would relieve him of any theory under which he could be charged with treason, though the rest of government that did impose such an Intolerable Act certainly could be, and I really like how you think in that regard! However, I don't think NY'ers are particularly inclined towards thinking of their government in such a light.

Blues

 

[S&W645]

Actually, I get exactly where you're coming from because when I posted the OP, I was under the mistaken impression that Ferguson was a government employee too, hence all the references to "oligarch" etc. He wasn't though. He was, for lack of a better term, a community organizer, simply a private citizen who advocated in public and quite effectively it would seem, for his own position(s) on gun control. It certainly makes him no less of a hypocrite, but it would relieve him of any theory under which he could be charged with treason, though the rest of government that did impose such an Intolerable Act certainly could be, and I really like how you think in that regard! However, I don't think NY'ers are particularly inclined towards thinking of their government in such a light.

Blues

The charge of treason is still a possibility because it is defined as an act that helps a foreign gov't overthrow, make war on, or injure the citizen's country. The UN is a foreign gov't and laws like this do make it easier for them to injure our country.

If he was even employed by a gov't entity in FL, even as just a CO, he would have violated his oath of employment.

 

[BluesStringer]

The charge of treason is still a possibility because it is defined as an act that helps a foreign gov't overthrow, make war on, or injure the citizen's country. The UN is a foreign gov't and laws like this do make it easier for them to injure our country.

Well, yeah, there is that. Also, I'm sure he supported putting a Kenyan in the Oval Office.

 

[sixgunluvr]

Parents reaction to the lockdown at Harvey Austin Elementary.......it appears they think security is needed, but i don't understand why....the school is a "gun free zone." Therefore it would not be possible for an armed man to enter the school. :wacko:

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[jrs]

Actually, I get exactly where you're coming from because when I posted the OP, I was under the mistaken impression that Ferguson was a government employee too, hence all the references to "oligarch" etc. He wasn't though. He was, for lack of a better term, a community organizer, simply a private citizen who advocated in public and quite effectively it would seem, for his own position(s) on gun control. It certainly makes him no less of a hypocrite, but it would relieve him of any theory under which he could be charged with treason, though the rest of government that did impose such an Intolerable Act certainly could be, and I really like how you think in that regard! However, I don't think NY'ers are particularly inclined towards thinking of their government in such a light.

Blues

No disrespect, but again, people from outside of NY state making assumptions that all of NY is like NY City, in population density, topography AND in political mindset. Again, your assumptions are WAY off base. Outside of the liberal Meccas of NYC, Rochester and Buffalo, this is a state of hard working conservatives. Geographically, most of the state is undeveloped land with beautiful lakes and rivers, as well as mountainous regions, wetlands which offer waterfowl areas, etc, etc, etc.

Politically, aside from NYC, Buffalo and Rochester (where most of the welfare and Medicaid $$$ goes), we are working hard to unseat not only Emperor Cuomo, but all of the liberal state representatives in Albany. In fact, there's a big push to get the RINO's out as well. The gun owners in the state are also working hard to replace ANYONE who voted for the SAFE ACT... regardless of party affiliation.

You might want to take a look at Google earth and zoom in on NY state. You might be surprised at how little of the state looks like Times Square.


As for the arrest of the gun control advocate..... GOOD.... he gets to eat his own cooking! Hope he enjoys the cooking in the "tin cup hotel", where he'll spend some quality time with some of the thugs he thought he'd be protected from by gun control.

 

[av8r]

That video shows a fine example of gun control at work. How much did it cost to mobilize all those police vehicles and swat team members? What other real crimes were taking place while all these police were busy directing traffic at this non-event? How many people's lives were disrupted for hours? How much emotional trauma was caused to these parents and children, not knowing for hours what was going on or if anyone was safe? And why? For what reason was all this drama and turmoil going on? Well, because there was a good guy with a gun at the school. Wow, thank goodness for the NY Safe Act that prevented the good guy from going about his business of working to keep his community safe, and prevented all these resources from being used to protect people from real crimes, and prevented all these people from going about their lives without being held hostage for hours by this wonderful gun control law. Political nonsense at its finest. I hope they all know who they can thank for this come election time.

 

[BluesStringer]

It certainly makes him no less of a hypocrite, but it would relieve him of any theory under which he could be charged with treason, though the rest of government that did impose such an Intolerable Act certainly could be, and I really like how you think in that regard! However, I don't think NY'ers are particularly inclined towards thinking of their government in such a light.

No disrespect, but again, people from outside of NY state making assumptions that all of NY is like NY City, in population density, topography AND in political mindset. Again, your assumptions are WAY off base. Outside of the liberal Meccas of NYC, Rochester and Buffalo, this is a state of hard working conservatives. Geographically, most of the state is undeveloped land with beautiful lakes and rivers, as well as mountainous regions, wetlands which offer waterfowl areas, etc, etc, etc.

Politically, aside from NYC, Buffalo and Rochester (where most of the welfare and Medicaid $$$ goes), we are working hard to unseat not only Emperor Cuomo, but all of the liberal state representatives in Albany. In fact, there's a big push to get the RINO's out as well. The gun owners in the state are also working hard to replace ANYONE who voted for the SAFE ACT... regardless of party affiliation.

You might want to take a look at Google earth and zoom in on NY state. You might be surprised at how little of the state looks like Times Square.


As for the arrest of the gun control advocate..... GOOD.... he gets to eat his own cooking! Hope he enjoys the cooking in the "tin cup hotel", where he'll spend some quality time with some of the thugs he thought he'd be protected from by gun control.

Where on Earth did you get the notion that I think all the rest of NY looks like Times Square? Or that there isn't a large conservative voting block outside of NYC? I made a very simple statement about what I "think," and if you look at the bold text of what I actually said, it related to charging the tyrants in your state government with treason. Are you contradicting my simple *thought* that NY voters aren't "particularly inclined" to work towards that end? I said nothing about "population density, topography AND....political mindset." I have no idea why what I said would inspire such a reply, but if you want to reply to the subject of what I actually said, instead of getting so defensive about what I didn't come close to saying, try again. Except for your last paragraph, which I agree with and have throughout the thread, the part addressed to me specifically is completely non-responsive to anything I said.

Blues

 

[gunnerbob]

Same Prosecutor Who Let David Gregory Go Is Destroying the Life of a DC Businessman Over an Empty Shotgun Shell - Katie Pavlich