Gun Ban Obama-Biden


Bohemian

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Barack Obama's 10 Point Plan To "CHANGE" The Second Amendment

1. Ban use of firearms for home self-defense.
2. Pass federal laws eliminating your right-to-carry.
3. Ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns.
4. Close down 90 percent of the gun shops in America.
5. Ban rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.
6. Increase federal taxes on guns and ammunition by 500 percent.
7. Restore voting rights for five million criminals including those who have been convicted of using a gun to commit a violent crime.
8. Expand the Clinton semi-auto ban to include millions more firearms.
9. Mandate a government-issued license to purchase a firearm.
10. Appoint judges to the U.S. Supreme Court and federal judiciary who share his views on the second amendment.

He has begin to set this in motion with his selection of amnesty and drivers licenses for illegal’s, abortion loving, gun-banning, uber-liberal, ultra-left-wing nut job Senator Joe Biden.

On the Second Amendment don't believe Obama!:
http://www.nraila.org/obama/

Obama to Get the Dems 'Barack' into the Business of Gun Control:
http://gunowners.org/pres08/obama.htm

Gun Ban Obama:
http://www.gunbanobama.com/

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"John McCain would bring a lifetime of relevant experience, I would bring a lifetime of relevant experience, Barack Obama would bring a speech he wrote in 2002" - Hillary Clinton...

"The office of the president of the united states does not lend itself to on the job training" - Joe Biden referring to Barack Obama his running mate...

Senator Joe Biden wrote the single biggest gun ban in history during the Clinton administration, that thankfully sunset in 2004...

NObAMA
 

jwtollett21

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I don't think he will have time to do all that you say he will because he will be too busy cleaning up bush-mcain's failed policy's, digging this country out of the hole its in, creating jobs, and ending this mess in iraq to even start thinking about taking mine and your guns away. Get real man.
 

Bohemian

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I don't think he will have time to do all that you say he will because he will be too busy cleaning up bush-mcain's failed policy's, digging this country out of the hole its in, creating jobs, and ending this mess in iraq to even start thinking about taking mine and your guns away. Get real man.

CHECK THE OBAMA-BIDEN RECORD!

FUBAR!

Who let the daily kos Obama-Biden gun grabbing lover in this forum?
 

PascalFleischman

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I don't think he will have time to do all that you say he will because he will be too busy cleaning up bush-mcain's failed policy's, digging this country out of the hole its in, creating jobs, and ending this mess in iraq to even start thinking about taking mine and your guns away. Get real man.

FEED ME, SEYMOUR!!!

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Canis-Lupus

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Just maybe if a law was passed that allowed any NOK to sue President Obama for causing the death/injury of any loved one by the acts of BG's using illegal firearms and that money was taken directly out of his substantial portfolio like us citizens can do to those who used a gun on our kin, he would B spending his presidency in court doing the OJ 2-step, Biden would be running the show and BHO would be paying so much that within say a week he'd qualify for food-stamps. Ya think?

Canis-Lupus
 

toreskha

Titles are un-American.
If Obama were president, he would have somewhat of a Democratic majority in Congress that may allow him to sort of do what he wants - but not to the extent that Bush was able to in his first term. There's just not that kind of a lopsided difference.

More importantly, if Obama were elected, membership numbers for groups like GOA and NRA would rise dramatically as people who had simply never bothered to join finally signed up. They could probably clear a 10% increase from early November to inauguration, particularly with people getting memberships and guns for Christmas. More members means more lobbying power. That doesn't even take into account increases in owned guns and CWP permits, which surely would go up significantly. Look around at the folks here - how many do you think would redouble their efforts in getting their friends to get a permit or a firearm, for no other reason than to poke a stick in Obama's eye?

We will be ok as long as we stick together and keep pushing for our rights no matter who is in office.
 

tattedupboy

Thank God I'm alive!
If Obama were president, he would have somewhat of a Democratic majority in Congress that may allow him to sort of do what he wants - but not to the extent that Bush was able to in his first term. There's just not that kind of a lopsided difference.

More importantly, if Obama were elected, membership numbers for groups like GOA and NRA would rise dramatically as people who had simply never bothered to join finally signed up. They could probably clear a 10% increase from early November to inauguration, particularly with people getting memberships and guns for Christmas. More members means more lobbying power. That doesn't even take into account increases in owned guns and CWP permits, which surely would go up significantly. Look around at the folks here - how many do you think would redouble their efforts in getting their friends to get a permit or a firearm, for no other reason than to poke a stick in Obama's eye?

We will be ok as long as we stick together and keep pushing for our rights no matter who is in office.

I agree, as long as the NRA doesn't send us up the river like it did with the first AWB.
 

Canis-Lupus

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I wonder how far this will go?

toreskha you make a good point about lobbying and political clout, I think also general civil-disobedience and mass non-compliance would play a big role in banning gun ownership. There are just too many die hard gun owners in the USA, some of them our patrons, who will never surrender their weapons alive, fact. Most thinking minds know that. Very bad PR with nightly Waco style news reports, KIA-ed LEO's charged with disarming millions with their greaving kin on your big screen TV's, or LEO's just flat out refusing that dangerous a job. So if the LEO's won't or can not disarm the sheep-dogs of this nation bring in the military * to disarm milllions maybe? No disprepect meant but other than being very busy elsewhere right now, they can't seem to do that in Iraq or Afghanistan after 7 years trying to disarm them folks, and are using full force measures like air strikes, drones, full auto-weapons and arty! The happy American 'McFamily' does not want to see dead ex-model citizens being taken to morgues or their homes hit by a Predator drone over a legal pistol they owned all their lives. The jails can only hold so many and with 1 in 2 households in the U.S. gun owning folks, that leaves a lot of messy work that could take down a president (impeachment/resigns) before the laws take the guns away. Being a man of color, a converted ex-Muslim (I guess) and the 1st of that mix to run for the top office, then hitting America with some Jim Crow type anti-gun laws is going to raise more than eye-brows. Racial payback murmurings/accusations at Senate and Congress levels maybe?
"What you gonna do when they come for your gun?" to kinda put a COPS spin on it. (Advise non-self incrimination replies in that hypothetical question PLEASE!!!)

Canis-Lupus


* Addendum:
I posted this earlier today then came across this link that maybe answers what could happen if the police can not effect the disarmerment of persons or groups who decide not to comply with an executive order from BHO, and on the positive side we DID need something like this after Katrina or maybe after the big-one on the San-Andreas fault-line in CA blows. Sure would be helpful if a BDE sized al-Q unit comes rolling up from Mexico!
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kwo51

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Jews for the protection of firearms is still the best pro gun group out there. JPFO is not going to let another hitler come to power anywhere on this planet.:fie:
 

tattedupboy

Thank God I'm alive!
Jews for the protection of firearms is still the best pro gun group out there. JPFO is not going to let another hitler come to power anywhere on this planet.:fie:

I've heard lots of great things about this group. Luke should try to get them to sign on as a sponsor.
 

tattedupboy

Thank God I'm alive!
WE WILL NOT BE OK, NO MATTER WHO IS OFFICE! GET OFF THE CRACK MAN!

You are mistaken, THERE IS THAT KIND OF LOP-SIDED DIFFERENCE, EVEN MORE SO THEN THE REPUBLICANS HAD... The Democrat's currently have such a majority in Congress, that they can pass any piece of legislation without a single republican or independent vote...

The democrats have such a super majority in congress right now; they have overridden the presidential veto twice this year! THANKS TO Harry "Gun-Banning" Reid and Nancy "No-Guns, No-Ammo" Pelosi...

Coupled with the fact that 2-3 supreme court justices will be appointed in the next 4-8 years; dark days are truly ahead if we end up with Gun Ban Obama-Biden...
All branches of the Government would have a liberal, socialist majority!

Obama-Biden = FUBAR!

E.G.: Most recently...
The democrats were the biggest supporters of the 700 billion bailout... but could not pass it the first time around because 22 democrats joined the republicans who saw this for what it was a tax bill, laden with pork...
I digress...

Owned guns and CWP/CCW permits and pro-gun lobbyist group(s) do not mean anything if THEY ARE BANNED AND REVOKED...

pro-gun lobbyists are falling on deaf ears in congress, and you can count on one hand how many non-republican supporters of the second amendment there remain in congress...

Obama has repeatedly been on record as stating his position has always been that he is opposed to Concealed Carry Permits and will remain opposed to it!

And the NRA did not sell us out on the Joe Biden authored Assault Weapons Ban, that Slick-Willie signed and sunset in 2004 when it came up for permanent renewal; because the then republican majority congress refused to even vote on it...

What the NRA did sell us out on as EVERY OTHER PRO-GUN LOBBYIST HAS DONE TO DATE; is failing to oppose the May 19th, 1986 ban of ownership of machine guns by law abiding citizens, manufactured since the aforementioned date...
Effectively banning an ENTIRE CLASS OF FIREARM...
That NONE of the pro-gun lobbists are trying to amend/repeal, even though it went through Congress without a recorded vote in the middle of the night...
Moreover, is yet another piece of anti-gun legislation THAT HAS GUN-GRABBING SENATOR JOE BIDEN'S NAME ON IT!

In fact, Socialist Global Gun Banner Barack Obama's V.P. Pick, anti-second amendment Joe Biden has his name on more anti-gun pieces of legislation then any current member of congress, including Ted Kennedy and Hanoi John Kerry...

Ask, the Citizens of England, Australia and Canada and other socialist leaning country's that have banned firearm ownership by its citizens if having pro-gun lobbists has helped them get back their rights; or change the fact that they now enjoy the highest crime rate in the world with the very firearms they are banned from owning legally...

Do yourself a favor and do a little research on the history of the total gun bans in England, Australia and elsewhere... see how they got where they are at and the very similar road we are headed if Gun Ban Obama-Biden get in office...

Gun Ban Barack Obama

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Even if John McCain wins, the Democratic-controlled Senate would never approve his Supreme Court nominees, so he may have to appoint liberals to appease the Democrats and fill Supreme Court vacancies.

As for your statement that the NRA did not sell us out on the AWB, it was the NRA who, instead of outright opposing the AWB, provided the definition to include any weapon that had two or more of any of the following: detachable magazine, bayonet lug, pistol grip, grenade launcher, heat shields, and collapsible/folding stocks. It was also the NRA who, instead of outright opposing the bill, made sure it had a sunset provision. If the NRA were so intent on standing up for gun owners that time, it would have opposed he bill outright rather than trying to water it down.
 

Bohemian

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Even if John McCain wins, the Democratic-controlled Senate would never approve his Supreme Court nominees, so he may have to appoint liberals to appease the Democrats and fill Supreme Court vacancies.

As for your statement that the NRA did not sell us out on the AWB, it was the NRA who, instead of outright opposing the AWB, provided the definition to include any weapon that had two or more of any of the following: detachable magazine, bayonet lug, pistol grip, grenade launcher, heat shields, and collapsible/folding stocks. It was also the NRA who, instead of outright opposing the bill, made sure it had a sunset provision. If the NRA were so intent on standing up for gun owners that time, it would have opposed he bill outright rather than trying to water it down.

Please provide facts for your statements...
 

kwo51

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America deserves obama ,I just pray he is not elected.He will turn his goons loose on the white people that hang on to God and their guns.AS far a Bushes mistake ,look at when all this s--t started .The guy with his hands on the intern instead of on the job he had.:mamba:
 

tattedupboy

Thank God I'm alive!
America deserves obama ,I just pray he is not elected.He will turn his goons loose on the white people that hang on to God and their guns.AS far a Bushes mistake ,look at when all this s--t started .The guy with his hands on the intern instead of on the job he had.:mamba:

What about us Black people and OUR guns? Or does he buy into the stereotype that the typical gun owner is a bigoted, white, Christian redneck?
 

AR-15 Rep

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Personally I would vote for McCain. I hope some of the dems in office get booted. And I wonder if Biden would send his son off without a weapon to fight? I think any ban would only take firearms away from law abiding citizens and create more crime, only the criminals would have them. I think if we are disarmed and a criminal has a gun, he would feel he could get away with more without consecquences or very little punishment. Honest people right now are on the street wondering where they can get a meal and a place to sleep, why should we give criminals more? Firearm related crimes should be a max punishment and maybe less will use them for criminal acts. Jobs for Americans is the big thing I would like to see from our government. Anyway my 3 cents.
 

toreskha

Titles are un-American.
WE WILL NOT BE OK, NO MATTER WHO IS OFFICE! GET OFF THE CRACK MAN!

You are mistaken, THERE IS THAT KIND OF LOP-SIDED DIFFERENCE, EVEN MORE SO THEN THE REPUBLICANS HAD... The Democrat's currently have such a majority in Congress, that they can pass any piece of legislation without a single republican or independent vote...

The democrats have such a super majority in congress right now; they have overridden the presidential veto twice this year! THANKS TO Harry "Gun-Banning" Reid and Nancy "No-Guns, No-Ammo" Pelosi...
Not at all. There are 49 Democrats, 2 Independents and 49 Republicans in the Senate. Those two Independents generally run with the Democrats, so they have an effective majority of 51 - hardly a "supermajority".

Similarly, the House has 235 Democrats and 199 Republicans, so they have a 54.3% majority.

Most votes are not strictly along party lines - there's people from both sides that will waver on particular issues. The dominant party can sometimes get enough of the minority to go along with things to overturn a veto or break a filibuster.


From 2005-2007, it looked like this:

Senate
Republican - 55% (55)
Democrat - 45% (44)

House
Republican - 53% (229)
Democrat - 47% (202)

So, the Democrats now have a slightly larger proportion than we did at that time in the House - but at that time we vastly outdistanced their current numbers in Senate. House Republicans tend to be somewhat more conservative than their colleagues in the Senate, so that's actually our strong area because they're more likely to remain more unified on votes. Notice that the bailout got hung up in the House on the first trip around but passed when it came out of the Senate (with tax breaks to make it more tasty).
 

toreskha

Titles are un-American.
So I'm not saying we should all get complacent because the NRA, GOA or whoever is going to shield us. Nope...I'm saying, even if Democrats kick our asses this time around, don't despair, because we'll return it next time.

This is a good excuse to get every breathing person you know to sign up as a member of a solid gun rights organization, even if you have to give them the money for the dues. We should also get everyone we know to get a CWP and to shower their elected officials with gun-related correspondence. Support gun show vendors, write letters to the editor, do whatever possible - 130% effort - to see to it that our rights continue to be protected.

If anyone needs any motivation, just carry around a wallet-sized picture...

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tattedupboy

Thank God I'm alive!
So I'm not saying we should all get complacent because the NRA, GOA or whoever is going to shield us. Nope...I'm saying, even if Democrats kick our asses this time around, don't despair, because we'll return it next time.

This is a good excuse to get every breathing person you know to sign up as a member of a solid gun rights organization, even if you have to give them the money for the dues. We should also get everyone we know to get a CWP and to shower their elected officials with gun-related correspondence. Support gun show vendors, write letters to the editor, do whatever possible - 130% effort - to see to it that our rights continue to be protected.

If anyone needs any motivation, just carry around a wallet-sized picture...

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Just to be clear, this picture is Obama visiting family in Kenya, not middle eastern terrorists.
 

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