Thanks for the clarification lc9'er...I will remember that for a long time from now on....We too also have a local gun shop here where I bought my first gun where everyone brings something every Wednesday and customers who come in likes the atmosphere and the camaraderie the men and the store conveys. By the second time we went there, I brought something to share and sat down with them and learned a lot in one sitting than I could have ever imagined. And I did not really stayed very long at all...the thing with those men is that they are very appreciative of whatever is in front of them. A very nice feeling indeed when they dive on the food you brought and finished it all off. They do not have a shooting range but they have a lot of recommendations on where to go, what the rules are and all that. They are people like us too. One guy I particularly like wasn't there anymore when we came back...he was an ex-police officer. He died of heart attack. Then the son who also used to work there had divorced problems, I thought he just lose weight. Then when we came back, he wasn't there anymore. He went back to Oklahoma to fight for custody of his children. It is sad...