Great Article about how to carry, in chamber or not.

[Opie]

This is a great article for those who are wondering about carrying condition 3 (not a round in the chamber). Its factual with historical references about semi auto handguns.

The Thinking Gunfighter: THE MYTHS OF THE ISRAELI METHOD OF CARRY, or why carrying chamber empty isn?t so bad.

 

[the dark]

Don't find it particularly convincing. Didn't see any discussion of CQB and how this will work out if the fight started with hands-on. As I asked in a previous thread -where would Zimmerman be if he had not had a round in the chamber? Rolling around racking the slide? Personally that is my reason for my mode of carry. Off hand fends or controls, pistol comes out, hits retention position and the trigger gets squeezed.

But that's just me. Why do people always feel it necessary to convert others? Carry in whatever condition makes you happy and feel secure.

 

[farsidefan1]

I agree, not compelling to me. His points"

1 Speed. Article says it doesn't add much time. I respond with KISS (Keep it simple stupid)

2 It's easy to rack with one hand. Really? I say BS. Especially in a fight. Probably just me but I'm not interested in adding that to my already task loaded list. Especially where I see no safety concern anyway.

3 Not safe with most autos built before the 70's. Um, OK, I'll keep that in mind when I find an auto of that vintage. But I don't have one now so I'm not worried. And My glocks reside in holsters with trigger covered. No worries mate.

4 Safer for those with a lack of training. Well that's pretty easy to fix. TRAIN AND PRACTICE!

 

[Firefighterchen]

1 & 2 I do not agree with.

3. makes sense for Israel, when they had to call to arms numerous people with many many many different types and generations of firearms. Most people now days do not carry firearms from the 70's.

4. It's safer...for the bad guys! IMO it takes MORE training to become proficient in racking the slide during a fight.

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[K7lvo]

Not so great of an article, IMO. It looks to me like C3 is great if you're a supervisor who's more worried about explaining a negligent discharge than a KIA...

 

[BluesStringer]

What's with the sudden spate of these threads about chambered/not chambered anyway? One Jurassic thread rose from the dead in the last day or two while the "carry hot or not" thread is still getting replies. Now a person who either names himself after a TV character whose only exposure to guns was Barney Fife and his tactical loading consisting of his one bullet in his shirt pocket, or another TV character from Sons of Anarchy who got beaten to death in prison last season, brings up the same topic as if it hasn't been getting enough attention for the last few weeks. I'll guarantee ya that if Opie from SoA would've pulled his Glock 17, it would've been with one in the tube if he wasn't in prison when he got jumped. Now Barney, on the other hand, well....Opie in this thread may well have learned from his example. LOL

Blues

 

[NavyLCDR]

This is from the article:

And their reasons for doing so are quite pertinent: a method of carry that allows safe carry with quick response time for (at that time) a largely untrained population with a diverse variety of firearms.

The solution for personal self defense is simple. Know how to use the firearm you are carrying. That eliminates the two "needs" for not carrying a loaded gun.

 

[JCliff]

this is from the article:



The solution for personal self defense is simple. Know how to use the firearm you are carrying. That eliminates the two "needs" for not carrying a loaded gun.

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^^^this^^^^^^^^

 

[jcreek]

What's with the sudden spate of these threads about chambered/not chambered anyway? One Jurassic thread rose from the dead in the last day or two while the "carry hot or not" thread is still getting replies. Now a person who either names himself after a TV character whose only exposure to guns was Barney Fife and his tactical loading consisting of his one bullet in his shirt pocket, or another TV character from Sons of Anarchy who got beaten to death in prison last season, brings up the same topic as if it hasn't been getting enough attention for the last few weeks. I'll guarantee ya that if Opie from SoA would've pulled his Glock 17, it would've been with one in the tube if he wasn't in prison when he got jumped. Now Barney, on the other hand, well....Opie in this thread may well have learned from his example. LOL

Blues

Thanks for the spoiler alert! Haven't watched in couple seasons but I've been meaning to catch up...eventually.

 

[BluesStringer]

Thanks for the spoiler alert! Haven't watched in couple seasons but I've been meaning to catch up...eventually.

I guess you mean the reference to SoA? Gotta admit, it's one of only a couple or three guilty pleasures I indulge in. New season starts Sept. 10. Already got my DVR set. LOL

 

[Warrior1256]

I do train regularly and am a manic regarding safe firearm handling. While the article brings up some interesting points I will continue carrying one in the pipe.

 

[bakkaotaku]

To each his own and I would never try to convert others, but the article was not convincing to me. I will always carry with one in the chamber. I carry a full sized 1911 and do not think it would be easy to work the slide fast enough if I am already in a fight, especially one handed.

 

[NavyLCDR]

Even the advocates for carrying an unloaded gun have to admit - the reason for carrying the firearm without a round in the chamber is so that it will be more difficult to cause the gun to discharge (and they equate that to "safer"). So, I have to ask... when your life is being threatened by a criminal...is that really the time when you want anything to make it more difficult to discharge your firearm?

 

[D_Shane]

If you carry where your gun may "accidentally" discharge you are not carrying correctly. Safety being the first rule, there should be no need to keep the chamber empty. If you're activity while carrying has your gun bumped and jostled, you need a holster to accommodate that accordingly.
If you personally feel more comfortable carrying unloaded, then by all means do so, but don't assume I'm carrying in a less safe manner just because I'm chambered. You do not know what means I use to carry.


With inflation and all, that's my nickle.