GrassRoots Action Alert - H. 4112 Special Priviledges for politicians

[Red Hat]

I know that our Legislature has done a lot for us concerning our 2A right, however they work for us and as their employer I don't like the idea that they can have more rights than us. Lets tell them if we can't have these privileges neither can they! The first one on the list is; ( 1) active members of the General Assembly. Link Removed

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*** GrassRoots Action Alert - H. 4112 ***

March 1, 2010

It will come as no surprise to gun owners that some politicians think they should be able to enjoy certain privileges that the rest of us mere citizens should not get.

Well, those same politicians are at it again here in South Carolina!

H. 4112 would let politicians in the SC General Assembly (and certain other public officials) who possess a concealed weapon permit (CWP) carry a self-defense firearm virtually anywhere in the state. But will this bill allow YOU same freedom? NO!

Why should politicians have privileges greater than the rest of us mere mortals? H. 4112 is an example of how politicians seem to forget the fact that they are public servants, not our masters.

GrassRoots GunRights strongly opposes H. 4112 as currently drafted. GrassRoots still believes the words "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Evidently, some SC politicians do not think SC citizens should be treated as their equals.

H. 4112 will be discussed at a meeting of the House Judiciary General Laws Subcommittee on Wednesday morning. H. 4112 needs to either be amended to provide the same carry privileges for ALL CWP holders. Otherwise, H. 4112 needs to die.

ACTION STEPS:

1) Call each member of the House General Laws Subcommittee and tell them the following:

"I strongly urge you to Vote NO on H. 4112! No special privileges for politicians! If it's good enough for YOU, it's good enough for ME. GrassRoots GunRights speaks for me!"

2) Email each member of House General Laws Subcommittee with the same message"

"Dear Representative (INSERT NAME):

I strongly urge you to Vote NO on H. 4112! No special privileges for politicians! If it's good enough for YOU, it's good enough for ME. GrassRoots GunRights speaks for me!

Sincerely,

(YOUR NAME)
(YOUR TOWN)"

Members of the SC House General Laws Subcommittee:

Rep.Bruce Bannister
(803) 734-3009
[email protected]

Rep. Dan Hamilton
(803) 212-6795
[email protected]

Rep. George Hearn
(803) 212-6796
[email protected]

Rep. Leon Stavrinakis
(803) 734-3039
[email protected]

Rep.David Weeks
(803) 734-3102
[email protected]

If you are unable to reach any of these Representatives at their individual office numbers listed above, call the House Judiciary Committee (803)734-3120 and ask to be transferred.

Thank you for taking immediate action on this very important gun rights issue!

Bill Rentiers
Executive Officer
GrassRoots GunRights of SC

 

[bbarton713]

I sent that email to every one of the representatives. I also believe that they are public servants and as such they should be willing to work on our behalf and afford us all the same rights. Believing that they are special or deserve special treatment because of the office they hold makes them feel that they are above the law and are willing to pass laws to that effect in order to make it happen. Clearly, that is wrong and it is important that we let them know that their constituency doesn't like it.

 

[blume357@]

I know that our Legislature has done a lot for us concerning our 2A right...l]

I have to bust your chops....

What universe are you from?

For the last 50 years the folks we send down (or up or over) to Columbia haven't done a thing for our 2nd Amd rights.... what little they've been forced to do has been at the end of a cattle prod. Sit down and read the S.C. gun laws and after about page two you will realize that it is all about giving power to the government and taking it away from the people.

Gun Control in S.C. as well as many other states and the laws to enforce it are not about reducing Crime... they were for a long time about keeping guns out of the hands of Blacks now it is about keeping guns out of the hands of the poor, black, white, brown, red.... etc....

 

[melloyello]

I agree with Red Hat.

Back in the 80's and early 90's, lived in GA, I looked moving to SC.
My Dad lives in Jamestown, SC for years.
After reading the laws, I considered SC an Anti-gun state.
Maybe more appropriately a elitest Citizen state.
Still think the reciprocity crap between SC and GA is total BS though.
And the no OC is also an issue with me but I whatever YA'LL did......
I appreciate it, been here for almost 10 years.

Sent my emails - saw on the SCFirearms Yahoo group.

 

[Red Hat]

If you look at what we have now compared to 10 years ago we have come a long way in reinstating our 2A rights. We still have a long way to go but we are a lot better off than a lot of other states. Things that I thought I would never see changed have been changed. A lot of the current laws have been vetoed by the Governor only to have them override the veto. To really give us back our 2A rights all gun laws should be struck down! As far as the original intent of gun laws I agree it was to keep guns out of the hands of minorities, however I don't see it today!

 

[Garnetrooster]

Emails sent

 

[scout27]

Sent an e-mail to all reps

 

[snehez]

Red Hat (Bill), I think you are missing the point. Should our State Legislators who possess a valid CWP be allowed to carry while at work or in session?
I say Yes

Do I have the right (God Given) to carry a concealed weapon for self defense during my daily activities or while on the job?
I say Yes

This change in Section 23-31-240 should in my opinion be a welcome advance in 2nd Amendment attitudes in Columbia.
Let those that have CWPs carry any were they like.

I thought that is what Grassroots SC was all about?

Steve

 

[Red Hat]

No I didn't miss the point and I do see your point. The problem with letting them get to carry at work is we'll never see it for us. A lot of SC residence can't carry at work. If the governing body gives themselves permission, then the permission should be granted to everyone. It's a moot point now anyway. I talked to one of our representatives today and it failed in committee. A lot of them agreed with my point and the bill is dead!

 

[FN1910]

The whole deal with Sen and Rep being able to carry at work is just a bunch of BS as they can do that right now and there is nothing SLED, thr Richland County Sheriff or the Columbia police can do about it. While the Legislature is in session they are exempt from all State laws and cannot be arrested. Only the Senate or House can punish and Legislature while it is in session or while they are going to or from the session. So the whole thing about them being able to carry while at work is a joke. They wanted to be excempted from the law at other times when they were an "ordinary" citizen under a falso pretense. Remember Andre Baure driving 100mph down Blossom street to get to the Senate meeting. Nothing the Columbia police could charge him for and he was issued a repremand from the Senate. leasantry:

 

[snehez]

No I didn't miss the point and I do see your point. The problem with letting them get to carry at work is we'll never see it for us. A lot of SC residence can't carry at work. If the governing body gives themselves permission, then the permission should be granted to everyone. It's a moot point now anyway. I talked to one of our representatives today and it failed in committee. A lot of them agreed with my point and the bill is dead!

The reason that we will never see "permission for us" from the State to Carry at work is that the "permission" must come from the Employer or owner of the private property or business that employs us.

You do not have permission to carry on my property without my consent.

State property, on the other hand, belongs to me and you. Having our Reps with valid CWP's being allowed by their own legislation to carry while at work, opens up the unarguable point for all CWP holders to carry on State owned property. Not to mention Fed owned Property with-in the State.

I am Sorry the the bill is D.O.A. because I think we dropped the ball on this one.

Steve

 

[Red Hat]

It would never open it up for us on state property because the law specifies that we can't carry there. If this had gone through then it would have put them in the elite category of those that are allowed special privileges. Apples and oranges!

 

[snehez]

It would never open it up for us on state property because the law specifies that we can't carry there. If this had gone through then it would have put them in the elite category of those that are allowed special privileges. Apples and oranges!

I understand that you have your finger on the pulse there in Columbia.

The hoops that CWP holders jump through are not related to the 2nd Amendment rights of all and therefore place us in the same class as the supposed elites. Remember, We are the Good Guys.

Perhaps, if my rep and yours felt the same way, Then the law you cite above could be changed as easily as the law for them.

Or the Rep could be changed?

To be honest, Applying for a Cwp is kind of like asking Mom for a Red Rider BB gun For Christmas.

Keep up the good work

Steve

 

[Red Hat]

I agree Steve. The only permit a person should need is a copy of the Constitution