Good LEO Encounter

[Shaun Manning]

So just wanted to share a good LEO encounter I had driving through WI this weekend. I have a MN carry permit which is reciprocated in WI. Was driving, may have been exceeding the speed limit (not admitting anything here . Lights flash and I pull over. I do a lot of long distance driving so I keep my gun, in it's holster, next to the e-brake - keeps it at a perfect cant for access. Anyway, cop comes to my window and I already have my license, registration and proof of insurance ready and my hands in plain sight. As he reviews those he asks if I have my CCW permit, I hand it over, perfunctory look at it and hands it back. No mention of the gun. He goes back and I presume he's writing up the ticket. To my surprise he comes back with a warning to please observe the posted speed limits. He also, strangely, mentions that our interaction has been recorded and will be on record for 120 days if I have any questions? kinda weird. We exchange pleasantries and go on my way (at a much slower speed). Just thought I'd share.

 

[bernardbarker]

I have had similar, positive experiences in California. I am required to hand over my CCW with driving license, by law. I have been excused a few potential tickets, but would never abuse the apparent privilege the permit bestows.

 

[wolf_fire]

So just wanted to share a good LEO encounter I had driving through WI this weekend. I have a MN carry permit which is reciprocated in WI. Was driving, may have been exceeding the speed limit (not admitting anything here . Lights flash and I pull over. I do a lot of long distance driving so I keep my gun, in it's holster, next to the e-brake - keeps it at a perfect cant for access. Anyway, cop comes to my window and I already have my license, registration and proof of insurance ready and my hands in plain sight. As he reviews those he asks if I have my CCW permit, I hand it over, perfunctory look at it and hands it back. No mention of the gun. He goes back and I presume he's writing up the ticket. To my surprise he comes back with a warning to please observe the posted speed limits. He also, strangely, mentions that our interaction has been recorded and will be on record for 120 days if I have any questions? kinda weird. We exchange pleasantries and go on my way (at a much slower speed). Just thought I'd share.

Why would he ask for your permit/license to carry? Did he ask for your MN or your KS permit/license? Do WI police officers have records of MN's CCW? Also, MN is a state where you do not have to inform. This makes the cop's question even more odd.

Also, WI is not a must inform state. Did he see your gun tucked in by the e-brake? This sounds very odd to me that he would ask about a CCW that you did not mention that you had.

 

[NavyLCDR]

It is odd that the officer would ask for a weapons permit, even if he did see the handgun, because no permit is required to have a loaded handgun in plain sight in a vehicle in Wisconsin. I wonder how the outcome would have been different if you did not have a permit that Wisconsin recognizes since no permit would be required anyway, unless the gun was concealed.

Page 44 of this document for the Wisconsin Department of Justice:
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If I do not have a CCW license how do I transport weapons in a vehicle?
A. Handguns
The law now allows a person who can legally possess a handgun to do the following without a CCW permit:
• place, possess, or transport a handgun in a vehicle without being unloaded or encased.Wis. Stats. § 167.31(2)(b).
• load a handgun in a vehicle. Wis. Stats. § 167.31(2)(c).
• operate an all-terrain vehicle (ATV) with a loaded uncased handgun in the operator‘s possession. Wis. Stat. § 23.33(3)(a).
• place, possess, or transport a handgun in or on a motorboat with the motor running without being unloaded or encased. Wis. Stats. § 167.31(2)(a), (b), (c).
• place, possess, or transport a loaded uncased handgun in or on a
noncommercial aircraft.
IMPORTANT NOTE: Persons who do not have a CCW license may still not carry weapons concealed. In a vehicle this means that the firearm cannot be hidden or concealed and within reach.

So, something is not adding up - if the officer saw the handgun out in the open in the vehicle, no permit would be required, so why ask for one? If the gun was concealed, thus requiring the permit, how did the officer find out about the gun?

 

[CharlesMorrison]

Nuff said.....

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Sent from behind Enemy Lines.

 

[Stengun]

Howdy wolf_fire,

Why would he ask for your permit/license to carry? Did he ask for your MN or your KS permit/license? Do WI police officers have records of MN's CCW? Also, MN is a state where you do not have to inform. This makes the cop's question even more odd.

Also, WI is not a must inform state. Did he see your gun tucked in by the e-brake? This sounds very odd to me that he would ask about a CCW that you did not mention that you had.

Are you really that simple minded?

The cop KNEW the OP had a CCW permit before he ever got out of his patrol car. He also knew if the OP had any warrants, had been arrested, where he works, even his great grandmother's maiden name.

Welcome to 2014.

Paul

 

[topgun47]

In Michigan your CPL (concealed pistol license) status, driving and criminal record are all entered into what is called the LEIN system. LEIN stands for law enforcement information network. I don't know if this is a national thing, or just for Michigan. Before a LEO walks to your vehicle, he probably knows more about your history than your spouse does.

 

[Firefighterchen]

Howdy wolf_fire,



Are you really that simple minded?

The cop KNEW the OP had a CCW permit before he ever got out of his patrol car. He also knew if the OP had any warrants, had been arrested, where he works, even his great grandmother's maiden name.

Welcome to 2014.

Paul

How did the cop know who was driving the vehicle?

Keep it simple Paul, you're going to confuse yourself.

Sent from my HTCONE using USA Carry mobile app

 

[NavyLCDR]

Howdy wolf_fire,

Are you really that simple minded?

The cop KNEW the OP had a CCW permit before he ever got out of his patrol car. He also knew if the OP had any warrants, had been arrested, where he works, even his great grandmother's maiden name.

Welcome to 2014.

Paul

Wow, you really calling wolf_fire simple minded? Let's examine some facts and figure out who the simple minded person is here.

1. How does the officer know who is driving the car before he gets out of his patrol car? Is the cop psychic? I have two vehicles on the road right at this very minute registered in my name only, being driven by two different people and I am right here in my living room sitting on my couch.

2. Exactly how is the WI police officer going to find out about a Minnesota carry permit unless they contact the Minnesota authorities and ask about it? Even assuming a license plate or driver's license check was asked for - does Minnesota really provide weapons permit information to an out of state agency asking for only a driver's license or license plate check?

3. With facts one and two presented, it is 99% impossible for the officer to know that the driver has a ccw permit before he gets out of his patrol car. However, let's go with your fantasy theory for a minute and make the wild assumption it is true. IF the officer knew the driver had a weapons permit before he got out of his patrol car then what reason would the officer have for asking the driver for it? Is he fishing for an instance where the permit might be required to be in the possession of the subject and the subject left it at home?

Now, with some facts presented - who made the simple minded post?

In Michigan your CPL (concealed pistol license) status, driving and criminal record are all entered into what is called the LEIN system. LEIN stands for law enforcement information network. I don't know if this is a national thing, or just for Michigan. Before a LEO walks to your vehicle, he probably knows more about your history than your spouse does.

But until the officer walks to the vehicle...he or she has no idea who is driving it. Again, unless there is some psychic ability that comes with LEO training.

 

[Eidolon]

I’m still trying to figure out how a nonconsensual police encounter is “good”

 

[wolf_fire]

Howdy wolf_fire,



Are you really that simple minded?

The cop KNEW the OP had a CCW permit before he ever got out of his patrol car. He also knew if the OP had any warrants, had been arrested, where he works, even his great grandmother's maiden name.

Welcome to 2014.

Paul

Yes, I am that simple minded because cops in our area don't have that information. Also, I was going to respond with a lengthy reason why my points were indeed valid, but NavyLCDR did a fine job of that.

Thanks for noticing my simple-mindedness. It boost my self-confidence when someone of your stature points it out to me.

 

[Kramer1113]

So just wanted to share a good LEO encounter I had driving through WI this weekend. I have a MN carry permit which is reciprocated in WI. Was driving, may have been exceeding the speed limit (not admitting anything here . Lights flash and I pull over. I do a lot of long distance driving so I keep my gun, in it's holster, next to the e-brake - keeps it at a perfect cant for access. Anyway, cop comes to my window and I already have my license, registration and proof of insurance ready and my hands in plain sight. As he reviews those he asks if I have my CCW permit, I hand it over, perfunctory look at it and hands it back. No mention of the gun. He goes back and I presume he's writing up the ticket. To my surprise he comes back with a warning to please observe the posted speed limits. He also, strangely, mentions that our interaction has been recorded and will be on record for 120 days if I have any questions? kinda weird. We exchange pleasantries and go on my way (at a much slower speed). Just thought I'd share.

I Like a good positive story.
Just a guess but I think LEO spotted the weapon. He knew you had a permit to carry, just wanted to be sure you had it with you when packin! Nice to hear.

 

[wolf_fire]

I Like a good positive story.
Just a guess but I think LEO spotted the weapon. He knew you had a permit to carry, just wanted to be sure you had it with you when packin! Nice to hear.

When did any encounter with a police officer when being pulled over start to have the warm and fuzzies associated with it? The encounters are not "good" or "positive" just because they did their job the way they were supposed to. At most they are indifferent. And in many encounters the cop tries to get more out of you than what the initial stop was about. I see nothing particularly good about this specific encounter, and I may have seen something bad. The point is, no one here including the OP knows why that cop asked for his permit. This puts up a red flag for me.

If indeed this cop saw the firearm and that is the real reason he asked about the permit, then the cop should have informed the citizen the reason for asking for it. An example of how to ask would be "Do you have a permit for that thing?", while pointing at the firearm tucked neatly by the emergency brake that would have been very hard for a cop not leaning into your window to see. No, according to the OP, he just asked for the permit and made absolutely no indication that he saw or knew he was carrying. If you are not carrying, you have no obligation to show anything so a cop must know you have one to ask and therefore should inform you of the reason for this NEW investigative detention he placed you under. Makes no sense for a cop to pull you over and ask for a permit about a firearm. But you and others feel free to continue to spin it as "positive" and "good". If by "positive" and "good" you mean he didn't pull you out of the car and beat you, or take you to the hospital and have you anally raped multiple times because they THOUGHT you MIGHT have hidden some drugs up your butt, then yes, by that definition I guess this would be considered a "good" encounter.

 

[NavyLCDR]

I Like a good positive story.
Just a guess but I think LEO spotted the weapon. He knew you had a permit to carry, just wanted to be sure you had it with you when packin! Nice to hear.

Even though a permit was not required? That doesn't make any sense.