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Arizona Gun Dealer Tells Obama Voters to Get Lost


The proprietor of the Southwest Shooting Authority of Arizona, located in Pinetop, Arizona has a message for potential customers:

“Effective immediately, if you voted for Obama, your money is no good here. You have proven beyond a doubt that you are not responsible enough to own a firearm. We have just put a sign up on the front door to save you the trouble of walking all the way in here,” he said in an ad featured in the local paper, the White Mountain Independent.

The owner of the gun store, Cope Reynolds, is not worried about upsetting people or even that his hard-lined stance could end up costing him money in the long run.

Southwest Shooting Authority's sign to Obama voters.“We will try to demonstrate once again that the bottom line for our business is principle, not money. Yes, it has been damaging at times but our values are intact,” the ad reads.

Whether or not one agrees with Reynolds politically, one has to admire his commitment to putting principles over profit, especially during such tough economic times.

Though, practically speaking, there’s not really a way to enforce the store’s policy. There’s no guarantee, for example, that a customer will obey the numerous signs in and around the store that read:

“If you voted for Barack Obama Your business is not welcome at Southwest Shooting Authority.”

OR

“If you voted for Obama, please turn around and leave!”

Symbolically, however, Reynolds hopes that his post-election, anti-Obama campaign has an effect or at least serves to remind folks that their decisions have consequences.

“I’ve been trying to wake people up,” he told Examiner.com in an interview.

Given the press his stunt has garnered amongst various gun publications and blogs, there’s little doubt that people are receiving his message. However, some wonder whether it’s the right message to be sending.

“Congratulations Southwest Shooting Authority of Arizona, you’ve just effectively dissuaded a majority of voters from the gun community,” wrote blogger Christopher Burg of A Geek With Guns. “I know that many people in the gun rights movement are butt hurt over the election results but lashing out at the people who voted for Obama isn’t going to help the cause of gun rights.”

Southwest Shooting Authority's sign to Obama voters.In, perhaps, Lincolnesque fashion, Burg argued for a united gun community, not one that is divided across party lines.

“Instead of alienating Obama’s supporters we need to reach out to them. Gun rights shouldn’t be a Republican or Democrat issue, it’s should be an all-inclusive issue that accepts people from all manners of political ideologies,” Burg wrote.

Well, all of this raises an interesting question, i.e. who’s right?

Should the gun community embrace bipartisanship or should it seek to reinforce the traditional political divide?

Should Obama voters feel shunned from the gun community for reelecting a president that has openly argued for reinstituting an assault weapons ban?

Of course, there is more to the story. Not all gun owners are single-issue voters. In fact, one would venture to guess that of the 100 million or so gun owners, only a small percentage vote exclusively on the issue of guns.

So, it stands to reason that someone could be both pro-Obama (as far as his economic polices, social polices, etc.) and pro-gun (oppose an assault weapons ban and other forms of gun control) - does it not? It all depends on how one prioritizes each issue.

Thoughts?


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Based on my understanding, President Obama and his appointees/constituants are flying under the radar as far as anti gun regulations. As a gun owner, I feel one should know the positions of the candidates regarding the Second Amendment. Talk is cheap and actions speak louder than words. Although Obama has long stated he is for the Second Amendment, his actions don't correlate. One day after the election, he seems to be moving forward with the UN Small Arms Treaty and Diane Feinstein supposedly has talked with the ATF about an AWB. How any gun owner could be for Obama and his erosion of freedom (not just the gun issue) regardless of what they feel his positions are on other things (economy, jobs, etc.) is beyond me. So to answer the question, I have no issue not being friends with a gun owner who is an Obama supporter. Kind of like hot ice, or jumbo shrimp. It is one hell of an oxymoron. Stand for something or fall for everything. I understand the gun dealer's stand.
 
If he doesnt want Obama voters in his store, good for him. The liberals who would have walked into the store need to stop living in denial and start living in reality by weighing their right to bear arms versus their support for a political group that does not support that right.
 
Yes, it's nice to know that someone so adamant about his 2nd amendment rights has no regard for the inalienable rights of others.

Maybe he can get the pastor of his church to put on the sign "If you voted for Obama, Jesus hates you..."
 
Nogods, your multiple votes for Obama voiced your stance on the 2A. You rejected the right to bear arms. So get lost already...
 
Yes, it's nice to know that someone so adamant about his 2nd amendment rights has no regard for the inalienable rights of others.

Maybe he can get the pastor of his church to put on the sign "If you voted for Obama, Jesus hates you..."

What wrong with standing up for his beliefs?

Or is this the "you must do what I say because my liberal BS is morally superior to you" section of the forum? He is not denying an Obama voter the right to own a gun, he is refusing to supply them one from his shop.

Every business owner has an obligation to be socially responsible; if he believes voting for Obama demonstrates an unsound mindset, he has every right to refuse them service.

Or does the 1st amendment not apply to people opposed to Obama?
 
What wrong with standing up for his beliefs?

Or is this the "you must do what I say because my liberal BS is morally superior to you" section of the forum? He is not denying an Obama voter the right to own a gun, he is refusing to supply them one from his shop.

Every business owner has an obligation to be socially responsible; if he believes voting for Obama demonstrates an unsound mindset, he has every right to refuse them service.

Or does the 1st amendment not apply to people opposed to Obama?

Right, imposing his Obamaphobia on anyone who dared to not vote other than the way he demanded is so mature.

Doctors don't refuse to treat people based on politics. Lawyer's don't refuse to represent people based on politics. You know why? Because they are committed to a set of ethical standards that prevent personal issues that are irrelevant to their professional life from interfering with their practice.

Of course, gun sellers like this guy appear to have neither ethics or professionalism. Perhaps he is not professional enough or mature enough to be in possession of a firearm.

Even sillier, how is he going to figure out whether a person who wants to use his facilities voted for Obama?

Just another blowhard looking for his 15 minutes.
 
My GOD the humanity of it. What's next, requiring english to be spoken? ID to vote "Papers please" traveling between States? Where does it end?
 
Right, imposing his Obamaphobia on anyone who dared to not vote other than the way he demanded is so mature.

Doctors don't refuse to treat people based on politics. Lawyer's don't refuse to represent people based on politics. You know why? Because they are committed to a set of ethical standards that prevent personal issues that are irrelevant to their professional life from interfering with their practice.

Of course, gun sellers like this guy appear to have neither ethics or professionalism. Perhaps he is not professional enough or mature enough to be in possession of a firearm.

Even sillier, how is he going to figure out whether a person who wants to use his facilities voted for Obama?

Just another blowhard looking for his 15 minutes.
you ever see those signs that say "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone." Its the same, just worded differently.
 
What wrong with standing up for his beliefs?

Or is this the "you must do what I say because my liberal BS is morally superior to you" section of the forum? He is not denying an Obama voter the right to own a gun, he is refusing to supply them one from his shop.

Every business owner has an obligation to be socially responsible; if he believes voting for Obama demonstrates an unsound mindset, he has every right to refuse them service.

Or does the 1st amendment not apply to people opposed to Obama?

Right, imposing his Obamaphobia on anyone who dared to not vote other than the way he demanded is so mature.

Doctors don't refuse to treat people based on politics. Lawyer's don't refuse to represent people based on politics. You know why? Because they are committed to a set of ethical standards that prevent personal issues that are irrelevant to their professional life from interfering with their practice.

Of course, gun sellers like this guy appear to have neither ethics or professionalism. Perhaps he is not professional enough or mature enough to be in possession of a firearm.

Even sillier, how is he going to figure out whether a person who wants to use his facilities voted for Obama?

Just another blowhard looking for his 15 minutes.

Point is he and anyone in private business has THE RIGHT to. Thats what this country was founded on. Maturity has nothing to do with it. When you start throwing out insults just because you don't agree with him, and begin to dictate that he has to serve anyone, in his PRIVATE business, you show the true nature of socialism. News flash... Everyone is not equal, the world is not fair, and the government nor society does not owe anything to anyone save for the men and women who sacrifice everything to protect out freedoms.
 
Yes, it's nice to know that someone so adamant about his 2nd amendment rights has no regard for the inalienable rights of others.

Maybe he can get the pastor of his church to put on the sign "If you voted for Obama, Jesus hates you..."

I don't see your example as the same. It would be like Obama's actions siding with satan and then your example would make sense in that if he was for that and you voted for him you would be against Jesus also.
 
Right, imposing his Obamaphobia on anyone who dared to not vote other than the way he demanded is so mature.

Doctors don't refuse to treat people based on politics. Lawyer's don't refuse to represent people based on politics. You know why? Because they are committed to a set of ethical standards that prevent personal issues that are irrelevant to their professional life from interfering with their practice.

Of course, gun sellers like this guy appear to have neither ethics or professionalism. Perhaps he is not professional enough or mature enough to be in possession of a firearm.

Even sillier, how is he going to figure out whether a person who wants to use his facilities voted for Obama?

Just another blowhard looking for his 15 minutes.

Just a hypothetical situation as an example. If a president was moving towards the demise of the medical profession and a doctors ability to practice, and a citizen voted for that president, why would the doctor want to treat that citizen when he/she arrives at their office door? Let their friend the president treat them.
 
We don't owe the vets anything either, unless they WERE DRAFTED into the service. then they are owed a bit, since they were FORCED to serve. For those who volunteer, that's all on them. I'm a Nam era vet. nobody owes me anything, and I sure as hell don't owe anybody. If the gun store owner is willing to lose those customers, who are YOU to say that he should not have that right?
 
Hmmm. Interesting. Hadn't planned on shopping in Pinetop anyway. Have only bought 5 handguns this year from two dealers who didn't ask me who I was gonna vote for. I kinda liked that the half-Irish guy (O'Bama) lets me carry in National Parks now. I'm surrounded by National Parks and feel much better healed in the parks now. Baby Bush never gave me that. And hey...there are far left liberal democrats who support the second ammendment just as strongly - maybe more so. The ACLU is all about supporting the Bill of Rights. Gotta watch out for them sterotypes...
 
The guys problem is that instead of recognizing and using things that we have in common to unite (gun ownership), he is focusing on things we don't have in common (preference for president) to divide.

If the guy was Peter he probably would have told Jesus "I'm not fishing with a Jew"
 
The guys problem is that instead of recognizing and using things that we have in common to unite (gun ownership), he is focusing on things we don't have in common (preference for president) to divide.

If the guy was Peter he probably would have told Jesus "I'm not fishing with a Jew"

To me, the only commonality is we both would own the physical tool. That's where the commonality stops. After that, it is not just preference for president. It is about other gun owners standing behind someone who if he had his way would erode forever the second amendment, create even more executive privledges, and basically play by his own rules to create a world the way he sees fit bypassing permission from anyone who would get in his way. That is the difference.
 
Yes, it's nice to know that someone so adamant about his 2nd amendment rights has no regard for the inalienable rights of others.

Maybe he can get the pastor of his church to put on the sign "If you voted for Obama, Jesus hates you..."
Thanks for illustrating the liberals' definition of "tolerance." :rolleyes:
 
I don't understand how letting me carry concealed in the National Parks - something new that the prior prez didn't allow - is eroding the second ammendment. Sure seems to me like its expanding it. Many national parks have VERY remote areas where protection could be needed (check the National Park Crime Stats). If the half Irish president was eroding the second amendment he'd never changed the regs to allow concealed carry in the National Parks. Maybe no big deal if you don't live near them - but if you do live near them and spend a lot of time in them it is a big deal and a most welcome change.
 

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