Good Citizens of New York
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BC1
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Although the new laws are sweeping they are being talked up to be worse than they really are. As a CCW permit holder the only change is that I must now renew my license every five years and I can only carry seven rounds. Most states already had a renewal requirement where NY licenses were previously lifetime. The new legislation makes it no harder to get a permit. The seven-round thing shows lack of smarts in the Governor's office but I carry an LC9 anyway. What surprised me are the things NY didn't screw with. For example, we can still hang out at the local watering hole while armed. We're not prohibited from banks, public transportation, churches, hospitals, doctors offices and such. These things are already illegal in many gun friendly states.
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Penalties for gun crimes have been drastically increased. Where a perp might previously have thought of a gun charge as a badge of courage he might think twice about getting snagged with an illegal firearm now as the sentence will more than double. No longer is it a badge of courage but instead presents serious penitentary time.
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The big hit is to those with personal defense weapons (my term for assault rifles). Those grandfathered-in will have to be registered if they don't pass the new definition codified into Article 265 of the penal law. New sales will be for only those AW's that meet the critria, which is quite stupid as they're no less lethal. or powerful. They may merely be missing a pistol grip or collapsable stock, etc. They're still .223 or .308 cal.
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The law completely missed the boat on shotguns. Left a wide hole in the legislation you could drive a truck through. I have a Mossberg 590 tactical shotgun with a sightmark red-dot sigtht that holds nine rounds in the tube/chamber. Did they not consider what someone could do with nine rounds of double OO buckshot?
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After reading the legislation with my attorney friend we arrived at one conclusion... this was not authored in 30 days as the governor would have us believe. This wording took a long time to craft. It had to be in the works for some time prior to Newtown. Cuomo merely picked that incident and outrage to accomplish his goal. Hack!
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Penalties for gun crimes have been drastically increased. Where a perp might previously have thought of a gun charge as a badge of courage he might think twice about getting snagged with an illegal firearm now as the sentence will more than double. No longer is it a badge of courage but instead presents serious penitentary time.
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The big hit is to those with personal defense weapons (my term for assault rifles). Those grandfathered-in will have to be registered if they don't pass the new definition codified into Article 265 of the penal law. New sales will be for only those AW's that meet the critria, which is quite stupid as they're no less lethal. or powerful. They may merely be missing a pistol grip or collapsable stock, etc. They're still .223 or .308 cal.
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The law completely missed the boat on shotguns. Left a wide hole in the legislation you could drive a truck through. I have a Mossberg 590 tactical shotgun with a sightmark red-dot sigtht that holds nine rounds in the tube/chamber. Did they not consider what someone could do with nine rounds of double OO buckshot?
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After reading the legislation with my attorney friend we arrived at one conclusion... this was not authored in 30 days as the governor would have us believe. This wording took a long time to craft. It had to be in the works for some time prior to Newtown. Cuomo merely picked that incident and outrage to accomplish his goal. Hack!
I don't see a "lack of concern" expressed. I see a well reasoned summary of the law and it's actual impact. I bet BC1 is still very concerned about the foolish portions of the law - the AW and mag provisions.
But the reality is that the 5-year renewal - which doens't appear to require anything more than paperwork unlike some gun friendly states that require much more to renew, is not something for a gun owner to be making public displays of anger.
A room full of angry gun owners spouting off like Jimmy Lee Dykes ditto heads - now there's a video that only helps the anti-gun groups to spread fear of gun owners.
Gettysburg Bill
Gettysburg Bill
I'm A New York City guy. I left in 1999. Pennsylvania is very 2nd Amendment Friendly.
I was one of those rare people that had a Pistol Permit.
The gun laws then were less restictive then now.
But even then you lived gun control every day.
I don't know what the State can do -- hoping Cuomo's Bill is found unconstutitional.
I was one of those rare people that had a Pistol Permit.
The gun laws then were less restictive then now.
But even then you lived gun control every day.
I don't know what the State can do -- hoping Cuomo's Bill is found unconstutitional.
ColoradoRob
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I feel your plight. Colorado has a left controlled house, senate and governorship and we are always following other states examples other than the decriminalization of marijuana. But, that was brought fourth by a majority of the people, not by our elected officials. There is already one legislator, from the same district that the aurora theater shooting happened in, that has said she will introduce an all out ban on some weapons including magazine capacity limits. Colorado could be next.
BC1
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Lack of concern? I teach the penal law so I've digested the new laws quite well. I am concerned over it, no doubt. But much of the new laws are geared toward crime. The new gun laws are hard on AW owners which concerns me. The five year renewal brings us up to where most of you already are. While seven rounds is a concern the stupidity lies in the fact that it's on the honor system. We can keep the ten rounders but only load seven. We can load ten at the range or while target shooting. Is it a joke? Yes. Will it curb crime? No.
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Can you sit in the local bar armed and reply to this post? Probably not. But that's where I am right now, having dinner and a beer. Am I'm breaking any law in NY? No. That goes a long way.
golocx4
Got Beretta's?
The NY law is not about safety and the the objections to it are not about guns.
I have realized that presenting reason or facts is to no avail.
We have to start attacking the messengers like the left does.
When those NY State representatives were reading the power point. The first question should have been. Wooha!!! You just said the new law will make NY ers safer.
Explain how exactly the law will do that which you can't, so that means that either you are lying to us or you are to stupid to be in the job you are in.
I have realized that presenting reason or facts is to no avail.
We have to start attacking the messengers like the left does.
When those NY State representatives were reading the power point. The first question should have been. Wooha!!! You just said the new law will make NY ers safer.
Explain how exactly the law will do that which you can't, so that means that either you are lying to us or you are to stupid to be in the job you are in.
Hey BC1 I have to say your lack of concern is scary. You can walk around with the "it doesn't effect me" attitude but it may only be the first step until eventually it will effect you when they start on handguns. Theyre smart..chip away a bit at a time.
Also your shotgun is illegal as it has capacity over 7 rounds. See this site Link Removed
Tool around that site for a bit so you make informed statements. So now youll have to register your Mossberg to start. And if you want to keep it you will have to PERMANENTLY modify so that it cannot take more than 7 rounds; that doesnt mean the addition of a plug either. Youll have to change the tube itself.
There are many other things included in this law that will effect every gun owner if you read deeply enough into it. Maybe you and your attorney friend had better look it over again.
Sorry of this comes off as agitated but I am; and more so when other gun owners seem so nonchalant about the whole thing because it doesnt effect them...right now. But when it comes time that it will effect you and your pistol there will be no one left to help you fight for your last remaining rights. Please get involved now before it is too late.
John
I probably missed your point, but I read this part as a lack of conern. It seemed to me you didn't think it was all that bad, and your gun is still legal anyway.
That would be about the only saving part of this but I doubt the jails will be able to hold them any longer no matter what the additional charge is.
I don't think this is information we need to give them.
If they aren't lying, they're sleeping.
buckey01
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If you are unconcerned with second amendment restrictions, please name another of your natural rights that requires a test before you entitled to that right. Does the right to free speech require a test? Does voting require a test? The liberals don't even believe that proof citizenship should be a requirement for voting.
Once we accept restrictions on our natural God given rights we will lose this republic. Once government can remove or restrict what the founders considered to be a basic rights of all men, then the only rights we have are those allowed to us by government. When we believe that government grants our rights, instead of God, we become subjects not free men. If the people of NY accept these onerous restrictions they should forfeit their citizenship. Anyone willing to live as a subject of a such a restrictive state government does not deserve anything but the slavery they seem so willing to accept. The citizens of NY will be welcomed to other free states; just don't bring your anti democratic ideas with you.
Once we accept restrictions on our natural God given rights we will lose this republic. Once government can remove or restrict what the founders considered to be a basic rights of all men, then the only rights we have are those allowed to us by government. When we believe that government grants our rights, instead of God, we become subjects not free men. If the people of NY accept these onerous restrictions they should forfeit their citizenship. Anyone willing to live as a subject of a such a restrictive state government does not deserve anything but the slavery they seem so willing to accept. The citizens of NY will be welcomed to other free states; just don't bring your anti democratic ideas with you.
BC1
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Those rights are long-gone for everyone. You have no first amendment right anymore. You can no longer speak freely without consequences. And the ninth district federal court has ruled that denying someone the right to carry is not a violation of the second. The fourth and fifth amendments are violated thousands of times daily in America. These are all "legal" based on federal court decisions, not NYS. Now O wants to use a drone to spy on you and perhaps take your life without due process. Everyone in America should forfeit their citizenship for allowing this.
I'm a newbie to the pistol world. Permit is still in the works, although, it's been almost a year. Can't get an answer to this question. Bought and paid in full for my pistol in 3/12, application into sherrif 4/12. Have my interview with the judge on 2/28/13. LGS says he may not be able to allow me to have the mags for my pistol. They are 10 round. Anyone able to she'd some insight would be great. In my opinion, I bought and paid for ownership of this pistol and mags in 3/12, it's mine and ill load it with 7 if I have to, but no one makes a 7 round mag for it... So I get a useless pistol in 3 weeks? WTF?
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2Awarrior
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newbie62-
This is not legal advice, but let me at least take a stab at some of your questions -
First off, NY government sites have been posting at lot of info on the new law, such as here - Link Removed
What troubles me right out of the gate is the year-long wait you mention, partly because:
PL 400.4-A *"Except upon written notice to the applicant specifically stating the reasons for any delay, in each case the licensing officer shall act upon any application for a license pursuant to this section within six months of the date of presentment of such an application to the appropriate authority. Such delay may only be for good cause and with respect to the applicant."
If it takes longer than six months, they are technically obligated to provide you with the reasons for the delay in writing. But it is still NY, so you can ask but don't get your hopes up.
Although you have "bought and paid in full", any reputable dealer will refund your money if the state doesn't grant your permit.
Here's where it gets interesting...
"Paid in full" may not allow you to take possession of the weapon til the permit is granted, but in NY you can purchase ammo and legal magazines without a permit, and 10 round mags can be legally purchased til the middle of April. If it were me, I would argue that you already own the mags. As such, you can take delivery of them after the 10 round ban takes place. This is also implied in the FAQs, where they mention that a dealer can still deliver an assault weapon to a buyer after the ban took place if the purchase took place before the ban ( and in the case of an assault weapon, you would then have a year to register it).
I would straighten this out with the dealer sooner than later. You bought the weapon and the mags. Taking delivery after the ban should not be an issue.
And finally, allow me to stick my neck WAAAAYY out by saying -
Don't lose too much sleep over the ban, at least as it applies to your entry into handgun ownership. Your pistol is not an assault weapon (since it would already have been banned in NY even before the SAFE act).
And I will eat my car if the 10-round ban, 7-round bull---t doesn't disappear entirely. This law and the way it was enacted has caused an unprecedented avalanche. It ain't gonna stick, at least not without major overhaul if not repeal. We're not gonna have it great, but we are not losing our 10-round limit to a new 7-round one.
I and hoards of others are fighting the entire Act, but as it is unfolding, I am predicting for NY:
1. Ten round mags for pistols and rifles will stay legal.
2. Grandfathered preban larger mags MAY survive, and I'm betting on that too.
3. Background checks for ammo - non-starter, ain't happening.
4. Universal background checks for gun purchases, yessir. That's gonna happen.
5. I believe private sales will disappear.
And to REALLY stick my neck out, based on what I'm seeing:
6. The assault weapons ban will fail.
7. The registration requirement will fail.
Sorry - I got off your issue and onto my soapbox.
In any event, I hope this helps.
And remember, I'm no lawyer - always check with the state sites or the police - they have so far been very cool about the whole thing and answering enquiries (yeah, I know, they're supposed to do that, but you know how that can go).
2A
BluesStringer
Les Brers
I don't know what county you're in, but even if it's not the same one as the story below talks about, others are probably going through similar hardships. This might shed some light on the delays in getting your permit fully processes:
Need another reason to vote with your feet, New Yorkers? Thanks to personnel cutbacks in a near-bankrupt state, if you live in Onondaga County (which includes Syracuse) and want a permit to buy one of the few handguns still legal in the Empire State, you’ll need to plan ahead a little. A lot, actually. nycentral.com reports that “The process used to take two to six months, but (Sheriff Kevin) Walsh says he was forced to cut back on the number of people who process pistol permits in Onondaga County. There used to be three people in the licensing unit, now there is just one” That means . . .
Anyone strolling into the sheriff’s office wanting the government’s OK to buy a handgun is now told to come back next March. And maybe then the six month process of approval can get started.
Anyone strolling into the sheriff’s office wanting the government’s OK to buy a handgun is now told to come back next March. And maybe then the six month process of approval can get started.
According to New York State law, obtaining a pistol permit requires a criminal background check, character references, a hand gun safety course and other requirements.
Fortunately, we hear they don’t put you through the CAT scan and prostate exam unless you’ve successfully jumped all the other hurdles first. The delay isn’t confined to just one county, either.
The problem has spread beyond Onondaga County. The Cortland County Clerks Office reports a wait time of about 10 months, while Madison County reports a wait time of about a year.
So far. But never fear, New Yorkers. The situation is about to about to improve.
Sheriff Walsh says he recently got permission to install a new computer program which he says will streamline the process.
Whew! We hear WordStar and Lotus 1-2-3 can be huge timesavers.
Maybe have something to do with your problem? I don't know. Just ran across it while I was doing some reading on The Truth About Guns after having seen your post earlier.
Blues
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2Awarrior
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Aaaahhh beautiful New York...
So where is my ten grand a year in taxes going...?
Well, at least there's ONE good thing...all that money they make selling lottery tickets goes RIGHT to education.
That's why we're so smart about everything else.
So where is my ten grand a year in taxes going...?
Well, at least there's ONE good thing...all that money they make selling lottery tickets goes RIGHT to education.
That's why we're so smart about everything else.
BC1
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You ARE able to take possession of any gun you purchase prior to April 15, 2013. Period. This is not speculation, it is factual and supported in the new legislation. As far as the delay in processing your application, DO NOT contact anyone to complain about the process. You're getting close to being granted so wait another month and swallow hard. You'll be allowed your ten-round mags under the law but may only load seven.
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Those that tell us to vote with our feet aren't being realistic. Ties to NY include career, salary, real-estate and family. It isn't so easy to just leave. And losing hundreds of thousands in real estate values just to move to a more gun-friendly state is a rediculous concept. And where will we go. I'm looking at large tracts of land in Western NC. But I see it's illegal to carry in a restaurant. So what do I do leave it in the car? Another Luby's shooting? I'm accustomed to carrying that gun in NY without such restrictions .
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