Going to NJ has opened my eyes

[ellwood45c]

I found out the other day that i am delivering a truck fir the company i work for. Sadly enough its in NJ, as soon as possible i completly researched my drive. Its very upsetting that a average hard working person has so much trouble just wanting to protect his or her well being. I have been on usacarry for a while now. I read as many and as much of the posts. I have to give thanks to so many of the people on here, u all have opened mu eyes and got me getting envolved with cotacting my local law makers. I am trying to help myself, and everybody i know to protect our 2nd amendment rights. Thanks again everybody i will do everything i can ti keep my family and myself safe, as well as help all of you with saving our rights.

 

[NYMike]

It may have opened your eyes, but close your nose when you get there!

 

[Lowjiber]

Just take one look at their governor.

 

[Arc Angel]

Don't even bring a firearm with you when you visit the notorious Garden State; and you can forget about federal, 'peaceful transportation' laws. NJ state firearm laws are, at best, arbitrary; and you may expect them to be enforced that way, too.

A few years ago a number of PA pistol shooters refused to attend a championship pistol match being held in New Jersey. Why? Well, among other things, by a strict interpretation of NJ gun laws these contestants couldn't even legally purchase ammunition in New Jersey; and staying overnight in NJ while in possession of a firearm(s) is legally tenuous. In fact just stopping at a restaurant to eat, or even to pump gas, while attending a NJ pistol competition opened up out-of-state pistol competitors to NJ state prosecution.

By the letter of NJ gun law, simply possessing a firearm, there, without a NJ Firearms Owners' ID card is illegal; and it's, 'no matter' whether or not you live in New Jersey. If you haven't got an NJ state ID card then you're in (technical) violation of NJ state law.

I've received several invitations to travel into NJ in order to attend this or that match or gun range; but, on reflection, I've always decided not to go. I know, at least, two out-of-state gun owners who were, 'crucified' after being caught with a firearm by the New Jersey State Police.

Although often denied I know, for a fact, that a state police driver's license check (wants and warrants) will bring up information that an out-of-state driver is LTCF in his home state. Once that happens you're going to be treated and questioned in an entirely different manner by the detaining trooper.

I'm not saying either of these gun owners didn't run afoul of NJ firearms laws; I am saying that each of them - who were, otherwise, law abiding and legal gun owners - were, 'crucified' for relatively minor gun infractions of New Jersey state law.

One PA gun owner, whose tale of woe I will never forget, had to submit to a scrupulous NJ state police search of his vehicle - Which included stripping his infant son in order to look inside the diaper! This fellow got a suspended sentence from the NJ court as well as an opportunity to have his newly acquired record expunged after 5 years; BUT he, also, ended up with a whopping $25,000 dollar legal bill!

What did this fellow do? He said that he was late for Thanksgiving dinner at his parents' house, went racing down I-80, got stopped by the NJSP, and suddenly remembered that his, 'car gun' was inside the vehicle along with his wife and baby. While the State Police were, 'running his license' he was asked, 'Do you have a firearm inside the vehicle?' When he answered honestly - Curtains!

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[Joepev]

Im from south jersey an yes the gun laws suck .u have to be a outlaw live here .the only reson i still live here is the rate work is high an good pay .Also the deer hunting too.An the smell u smell is money .other then that this place sucks

 

[B2Tall]

I grew up in NJ and moved to Florida in '96. I lived in S. Jersey and I can tell you that the gun culture is alive and well there although it's mostly shotguns and rifles (non-assault rifles). The irony about where I grew up and where I live now is that, although I have far more freedom of choice here in FL in terms of what I can own and where I can carry it, I had far more freedom in NJ as far as where I could go shooting.

A couple of years ago I had a conversation with the brother of one of my best friends growing up in NJ. He was here visiting his in-laws and we went to a gun show where he marveled at all the guns for sale in Florida that were illegal in NJ. He still lives there and asked me "So, when you want to go shooting do you just go out in the woods??". Hah! Don't I wish. You see, in South Jersey (where he still lives) if you want to go blast some stuff with your rifle or shotgun all you need to do is find a nice secluded spot out in the woods and have at it. Heck, the Pick-a-Lilli tavern in Tabernacle hosts turkey-shoots just a few yards away from a busy state road. Good luck trying something like that down here. In Florida that's expressly forbidden unless you're on private property and meet other criteria as well.

Nope.......here in Florida, in spite of the extensive tracks of wilderness, it's illegal for me to go out and do some target shooting in the woods. The gods of gun laws giveth and taketh away. Still, all in all I'd rather be in Florida :biggrin:

 

[BC1]

By the letter of NJ gun law, simply possessing a firearm, there, without a NJ Firearms Owners' ID card is illegal; and it's, 'no matter' whether or not you live in New Jersey. If you haven't got an NJ state ID card then you're in (technical) violation of NJ state law.

I admit I am no expert in NJ firearm law. It's pretty touch there for sure. Even NJ residents with a FOID card can't carry.

I travel from NY to NJ for handgun/instructor taining with a handgun on a regular basis. Anyone can enter NJ with their gun for purposes of training, competition or to go to a range but there are restrictions. You may not carry. You must have a FOID card or CCW permit from your own state. The gun must be locked. We break the guns down and lock the frames, lock the gun parts in their box and lock the box to a hook in the trunk. Ammo (no hollowpoints) must be locked in a separate box. Neither locked box should be in reach.

I've studied at "Gun For Hire" repeatedly which is New Jersey's premiere training academy. Five locations in NJ. All of my fellow instructors also train there. Their attorney has given us the skinny on what we must do. I've been stopped by p0lice for speeding, asked about guns and told the truth. LEO wanted to see how the guns were being transported. There was no issue. However I do rcommend getting in and out ASAP. Don't stop for lunch and never remain overnight.

It is quite common for those living near the NJ border to travel into that state for range work.

 

[buddney]

Even a bb pistol is considered by law to be a firearm in nj. A good state to avoid all together.

 

[KBP]

If I remember correctly, NJ falls into almost the same gun control class as Hitlers Germany. Both had stripped its citizens of their rights to own and bear guns. Lets hope its lawmakers someday remember how that worked out for Hitler.

 

[Joepev]

Pick a lill bar .yaaaaaaa best damm wings around my man .lol got my mouth watering

 

[ellwood45c]

Wings sound real good. I will be very much on guard, and real careful. It really makes me want to get involved with the laws.
Good thing is ill only be there one night then head back to Indiana.

 

[BC1]

If I remember correctly, NJ falls into almost the same gun control class as Hitlers Germany. Both had stripped its citizens of their rights to own and bear guns. Lets hope its lawmakers someday remember how that worked out for Hitler.

They are allowed to own handguns, they just can't carry them. Remember, in Sept, 2011 the federal courts ruled that "bear arms" does not equate to "carry arms." Because of that ruling, NJ and NYC are not violating the second amendment. H.R. 218 will have noe bearing on this either.

 

[Arc Angel]

I admit I am no expert in NJ firearm law. It's pretty touch there for sure. Even NJ residents with a FOID card can't carry. I travel from NY to NJ for handgun/instructor taining with a handgun on a regular basis.

You're talking to a fellow who - after more than 45 years of residency - decided to leave NJ rather than surrender his, 'evil black rifles'. (I'm sure many New Jersey gun owners just hid theirs; but I decided not to disobey the law - Not even when I strenuously disagreed with it!)

Anyone can enter NJ with their gun for purposes of training, competition or to go to a range but there are restrictions.

Legally, technically, that is NOT true. It only appears to be true. A couple of years ago there was a multi-page thread on the PAFOA gun forum. It discussed NJ's state firearms laws in intimate detail; and, after reading it, many Pennsylvanian gun owners decided to stay way from New Jersey gun ranges and public shooting contests. (I am one of them.) Read NJ gun laws, there is plenty of room for a huge amount of individual legal interpretation.

Sure, maybe you and I in our capacity as Firearms Instructors might be allowed to travel back and forth without challenge; but, I assure you the same standard isn't applied to New Jersey's general population. In fact I've known people who've had their legally transported firearms confiscated by the NJSP. Why? No FOID card; and that is NOT constitutional.

....... I've studied at "Gun For Hire" repeatedly which is New Jersey's premiere training academy. Five locations in NJ. All of my fellow instructors also train there. Their attorney has given us the skinny on what we must do. I've been stopped by p0lice for speeding, asked about guns and told the truth. LEO wanted to see how the guns were being transported. There was no issue. However I do rcommend getting in and out ASAP. Don't stop for lunch and never remain overnight.

You were lucky! That encounter could have gone the other way on you.

It is quite common for those living near the NJ border to travel into that state for range work.

Maybe along the NY border; but, I assure you this isn't true for many of the Pennsylvanian gun owners I know. The smart ones leave their guns at home whenever they go to New Jersey.

They are allowed to own handguns, they just can't carry them. Remember, in Sept, 2011 the federal courts ruled that "bear arms" does not equate to "carry arms." Because of that ruling, NJ and NYC are not violating the second amendment. H.R. 218 will have noe bearing on this either.

Priceless! How can you be so ambivalent about one of your most significant constitutional rights?

 

[Woody1960]

I grew up in NJ and moved to Florida in '96. I lived in S. Jersey and I can tell you that the gun culture is alive and well there although it's mostly shotguns and rifles (non-assault rifles). The irony about where I grew up and where I live now is that, although I have far more freedom of choice here in FL in terms of what I can own and where I can carry it, I had far more freedom in NJ as far as where I could go shooting.

A couple of years ago I had a conversation with the brother of one of my best friends growing up in NJ. He was here visiting his in-laws and we went to a gun show where he marveled at all the guns for sale in Florida that were illegal in NJ. He still lives there and asked me "So, when you want to go shooting do you just go out in the woods??". Hah! Don't I wish. You see, in South Jersey (where he still lives) if you want to go blast some stuff with your rifle or shotgun all you need to do is find a nice secluded spot out in the woods and have at it. Heck, the Pick-a-Lilli tavern in Tabernacle hosts turkey-shoots just a few yards away from a busy state road. Good luck trying something like that down here. In Florida that's expressly forbidden unless you're on private property and meet other criteria as well.

Nope.......here in Florida, in spite of the extensive tracks of wilderness, it's illegal for me to go out and do some target shooting in the woods. The gods of gun laws giveth and taketh away. Still, all in all I'd rather be in Florida :biggrin:

They should open up a snake hunting season with all those snakes you have in the everglades now. From the sounds of it,you would have alot to shoot at.LOL

 

[S&W645]

They should open up a snake hunting season with all those snakes you have in the everglades now. From the sounds of it,you would have alot to shoot at.LOL

They aren't just in the 'Glades. I live less than 3 miles from the park boundary and they have been spotted East of me. Sometimes the snake wins, sometimes the gator does, sometimes both lose. I carry a machete on the property when not carrying and in the grove. And the pythons are fair game.

 

[Arc Angel]

They should open up a snake hunting season with all those snakes you have in the everglades now. From the sounds of it,you would have alot to shoot at. LOL

You know! I've been thinking the exact same thing. No invasion by any, 'foreign species' really bothers me. Why? Because I've lived long enough to realize that mankind is more than capable of destroying anything. If Florida doesn't want pythons and boas crawling around the Everglades then place an open season on them AND pay a good price for the skins. (Boots, belts, wallets, and such!)

 

[B2Tall]

They should open up a snake hunting season with all those snakes you have in the everglades now. From the sounds of it,you would have alot to shoot at.LOL

We're allowed to kill invasive snakes any time. The problem is that we can only use guns during a specified season. Shooting them outside of that season means you're opening yourself up to a possible illegal discharge citation. Gotta use something other than a firearm. Another problem is finding the darn things (dogs are currently being trained to track them). I've spent a lot of time in the 'Glades camping, hiking, riding, etc. and never once seen an invasive snake even though there are about a bazillion of them out there. I've seen deer, bear, wild hogs, gators, panther tracks, werewolves, little green men from mars........but no pythons or boas.

 

[Arc Angel]

^^^ Now that's funny!

 

[lost sheep]

There is no 2nd amendment in NJ it stops at the PA border lol... I grew up as a child in NJ and on my 18th birthday TRIED to apply for my FOID and the chief of police told me don't bother I'm not gonna approve you..

 

[Arc Angel]

There is no 2nd amendment in NJ it stops at the PA border lol... I grew up as a child in NJ and on my 18th birthday TRIED to apply for my FOID and the chief of police told me don't bother I'm not gonna approve you..

That's exactly what I'm referring to! Neither are you the first person to tell me something like this. I've heard it all before.