Glock 23 bending lip on ejected brass
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6shootercarry
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New or used firearm? Has the recoil spring been replaced?
Check the brass to see if the ejector is slipping off the rim or is worn...
As indicated above, several eight-by-ten color glossy photographs with circles
and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each
one was would be helpful.:biggrin:
"You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant"..
Check the brass to see if the ejector is slipping off the rim or is worn...
As indicated above, several eight-by-ten color glossy photographs with circles
and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each
one was would be helpful.:biggrin:
"You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant"..
This is a used Glock. This problem just showed up recently. The gun did not bend the brass when I purchased it. This G23 was a city police detective's service weapon. They switched to S&W's. I doubt that the recoil spring has ever been replaced. I cannot find any marks on the expended brass that would indicate that the ejector is slipping off the casings. I forgot to mention that I shoot 180 grain and usually Federal, because I get a decent price on Federal ammo. I will take some pics of the brass as soon as I can.
danhammondsr
Dan Hammond, Sr.
I have noted the same thing with a 1911A1 that I have. I caught a few before they hit the ground, and found those weren't bent. They were getting bent when they hit the concrete.
May not be the same thing, but it's worth checking.
May not be the same thing, but it's worth checking.
6shootercarry
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You wrote "just showed up", was that with the same or different ammo type used now vs. previous usage, i.e. different gr weight or type/mfg of ammo?
I like to root cause issues rather than perform the SWAG method of problem solving. The SWAG method is expensive in that parts are replaced sometimes needlessly...
I got in the habit of looking the brass over after unloading it. I grab a handful and align and orient a few as they were in the chamber when fired by looking for the marks made by the extractor, ejector, and firing pin... It's kinda interesting and will indicate possible causes of anomalies. I've not perfected this, but enjoy the practice...
I have been shooting the same ammo since buying the G23. I would estimate that I put 300 rds through it before I noticed the dented brass. When I first noticed the "denting" I was shooting outside at a rural location and the brass was landing in grass. I will try "orienting" some of them to try to understand what side of the brass is denting - relative to the ejection port, etc. Thanks for all this help guys! I know it's hard to develop a diagnosis when you can't see the patient! I'll post some pics of the brass as soon as I can.
When have you removed and cleaned the extractor?
How many rounds have been through this gun? As another poster said, you may need a new recoil spring.
Have you had any rounds fail to eject?
Could you be limp wristing a little?
You don't have a habit if dropping the slide on a single round in the chamber, do you? I used to do this after loading a mag to maximum capacity, then one in the chamber drop the slide on the round, then insert the mag. I read that this is a good way to bend or break an extractor.
How many rounds have been through this gun? As another poster said, you may need a new recoil spring.
Have you had any rounds fail to eject?
Could you be limp wristing a little?
You don't have a habit if dropping the slide on a single round in the chamber, do you? I used to do this after loading a mag to maximum capacity, then one in the chamber drop the slide on the round, then insert the mag. I read that this is a good way to bend or break an extractor.
6shootercarry
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I debugged an ejection issue on a Colt Officer's ACP that I got in a non firearm item trade.
I kept getting a cartridge that would end up not ejecting, but not a stovepipe. It was a matter of studying the brass and noting the consistencies in the ones that failed to eject.
It was the combination of the worn and poorly tuned extractor (series 80) along with a pair of slightly deformed factory magazines. The brass in an automatic pistol can act like the "CHECK ENGINE" light in an automobile and warn you when things are not as they should be. It requires some reading and interpretation...
I kept getting a cartridge that would end up not ejecting, but not a stovepipe. It was a matter of studying the brass and noting the consistencies in the ones that failed to eject.
It was the combination of the worn and poorly tuned extractor (series 80) along with a pair of slightly deformed factory magazines. The brass in an automatic pistol can act like the "CHECK ENGINE" light in an automobile and warn you when things are not as they should be. It requires some reading and interpretation...
BigSlick
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Here is some of my brass I shot today. I have circled the areas where the brass is "nicked". These were shot from my sub2k. I might add that I have fired more than 600 rounds through the gun and it has never jammed, failed to load or extract the brass from the chamber. Look at these photos and see if your brass is similar.
The heaver bullet weights don't seem to be a problem which leads me to believe the spring is tight and maybe throwing off the timing a little due to the bolt closing faster than it was designed too. The "nicking" of the brass seems to be going away the more the rifle is fired.
I would try a different spring on your G23 and see if that corrects the problem.
I bought a Spikes Tactical 22LR conversion for my AR-15 and the kit came with two springs. The instructions said the springs may require tuning. At first it was terrible. Could not find ammo that would function without jamming or producing stove pipes. After trimming one spring and experimenting with several different brands of ammo the CCI stingers and mini mags worked the best. I have also had good luck with the Winchester White box ammo too. But the Wally World store I shop at doesn't seem to be carrying it anymore. The Federal economy pack was the worst with stove pipes almost every other round even after "tuning" the spring.
The heaver bullet weights don't seem to be a problem which leads me to believe the spring is tight and maybe throwing off the timing a little due to the bolt closing faster than it was designed too. The "nicking" of the brass seems to be going away the more the rifle is fired.
I would try a different spring on your G23 and see if that corrects the problem.
I bought a Spikes Tactical 22LR conversion for my AR-15 and the kit came with two springs. The instructions said the springs may require tuning. At first it was terrible. Could not find ammo that would function without jamming or producing stove pipes. After trimming one spring and experimenting with several different brands of ammo the CCI stingers and mini mags worked the best. I have also had good luck with the Winchester White box ammo too. But the Wally World store I shop at doesn't seem to be carrying it anymore. The Federal economy pack was the worst with stove pipes almost every other round even after "tuning" the spring.
6shootercarry
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Pictures like slick's help...:biggrin:
I've seen the same dents on my .223 brass and it's from the case hitting the deflector "lump" on the side of the AR when they are ejected. I note the brass markings on the deflector.. The dents also align with the marks on the case edge where the extractor holds, much like yours do. Could be the same. I put some white grease on that spot and looked for it on the ejected brass, It was there.
I've seen the same dents on my .223 brass and it's from the case hitting the deflector "lump" on the side of the AR when they are ejected. I note the brass markings on the deflector.. The dents also align with the marks on the case edge where the extractor holds, much like yours do. Could be the same. I put some white grease on that spot and looked for it on the ejected brass, It was there.
G23 Bending Brass Photos
This G23 was a city detective's service weapon. The department changed to S&W MP's. So...I do not know how many rounds have been put through the gun. I did, however, detail strip it and clean it thoughly prior to firing it for the first time. Since the dented brass did not begin to show up until after I had put approximately 300 rounds through it, I am assuming that my re-assembly was error free, LOL. I can tell you that I take my time and I am careful to do it right. I have included some pics, (finally) of the brass. Hopefully these will help. NOTE: I have oriented the brass so that the ejector marks all face to the left on the photos. All five rounds are oriented the same.
Again, thanks for everyone's help with this!
This G23 was a city detective's service weapon. The department changed to S&W MP's. So...I do not know how many rounds have been put through the gun. I did, however, detail strip it and clean it thoughly prior to firing it for the first time. Since the dented brass did not begin to show up until after I had put approximately 300 rounds through it, I am assuming that my re-assembly was error free, LOL. I can tell you that I take my time and I am careful to do it right. I have included some pics, (finally) of the brass. Hopefully these will help. NOTE: I have oriented the brass so that the ejector marks all face to the left on the photos. All five rounds are oriented the same.
Again, thanks for everyone's help with this!
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