Glock 22 Gen 4 Jamming

I got my gun back today. They said that the compression spring will get a little dinged up due to the violent back and forth movement. The Gen 4 had a metal washer like piece that sets into the barrel seat for a lack of a better term. The dealer showed me a Glock 22 Gen 3 which had a ploymer tip and that it also was a little roughed up. They said typically the springs are replaced every 3-5000 rounds which they did tell be at the time I purchased it to expect to do that.

As far as the jamming, they couldn't get it to jam and fired about 150 rounds through it. They said that the spring will loosen up a little after being fired ("break in") and should operate better with lighter loads.

I haven't given up hoe for my Glock and I hope to enjoy it for years to come. I am now also looking at a G27 too.

Jason
 
Hey BigBadAllis - was wondering if you could give an update... Did things calm down with your Glock22 Gen4?

I only have about 150 rounds in my G22gen4 and it seems like I am having issues with my spring also. Upon disassemble it's off center, off seat... ect. I can recenter it again, but after a few "racks" of the slide when I look at the nose of the gun I can tell the guide rod is off center again. When I field strip the gun sometimes the spring seems to be jammed/pinched in the nose of the gun in such a way that it will not allow it to fully decompress, so I get something like this image.

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A fully decompressed spring should be well past the 1/2 moon seat where it should rest (as you have to compress the spring to get it to rest on that 1/2 moon in the first place). As you can see a buddy is lifting it up with a sheet of paper and the spring is still tense. If he were to release the paper that is holding it up - you would see that the metal washer of the spring is not even putting any tension on the barrel... I can wobble the barrel in the slide.

Does this mean my barrel does not have the support of the spring when being fired? I am confuses as to if metal end washerever comes in contact with the barrel ever again during firing process ... or if the rests in the frame - only to be "picked up" by the slide when you disassemble.

Is this the same issue you were having with your spring?

Ive had zero jams with the gun so far.

:fie: this is my first gun... so I am trying stay positive.

Wanted to email this picture to Glock and ask the question - but there is not a single email address listed on their site.
 
Just wondering if you had any updates on your Glock 22 Gen4?

I have not experienced jamming, but I am having my recoil spring get jammed in the nose of the gun - to the point were it will not fully de-compress and seat on the barrel. Also, when looking at the nose of the (safe checked) gun, I can tell that the guide rod is off center... which is why I think I am getting the jammed spring in the nose. Almost as if some of the coils of the spring are getting caught in the frame of the slide at the nose opening. When I open it sometimes my spring is way off center. I've been very careful how I assemble the gun.

I can get this to consistently repeat after re-assembling the gun, and just racking the slide a few times.

150 rounds in it... debating if I should continue to fire it - or wait for Glock to call me back.
 
I was seriously considering a gen 4 Glock22. Love my Glock 17 that Billary caused me to rush out abd buy. My first gun. Glocks have always been so reliable. Might have to consider XDm Springfiels customer service is great, or another HK. Also waiting for a new Sig TacOp to come out. Please keep us posted on how the prob is resolved.
 
Gun_noob said:
Just wondering if you had any updates on your Glock 22 Gen4?

I have not experienced jamming, but I am having my recoil spring get jammed in the nose of the gun - to the point were it will not fully de-compress and seat on the barrel. Also, when looking at the nose of the (safe checked) gun, I can tell that the guide rod is off center... which is why I think I am getting the jammed spring in the nose. Almost as if some of the coils of the spring are getting caught in the frame of the slide at the nose opening. When I open it sometimes my spring is way off center. I've been very careful how I assemble the gun.

I can get this to consistently repeat after re-assembling the gun, and just racking the slide a few times.

150 rounds in it... debating if I should continue to fire it - or wait for Glock to call me back.
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The gun has been working flawlessly since I got it back. I've shot about 600 more rounds through it without it stove piping. Just had one time where the retracter didn't grab a spend shell. As far as the pinging on the recoil spring washer where it seats into the barrel it about the same. I have looked it several other glocks and notices that they all get dinged up a little. I have since purchased a Glock 27 and that has worked perfectly.

Jason
 
CapGun said:
I was seriously considering a gen 4 Glock22. Love my Glock 17 that Billary caused me to rush out abd buy. My first gun. Glocks have always been so reliable. Might have to consider XDm Springfiels customer service is great, or another HK. Also waiting for a new Sig TacOp to come out. Please keep us posted on how the prob is resolved.
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Now that my G22 Gen 4 is operating smoothly it seems to be a greta gun to have. My friend and neighbor just bought an XDm 9mm yesterday. The XDm is a really nice gun. I had a very difficult time deciding when I was buying. Either way you will be a very happy owner.

Jason
 
wow sorry to hear about that. i was looking a a subcom glock today but went with a xd subcom insted. my m& p never has had a problem so i hope the xd is the same. good luck with your glock

safe shooting~
aj
 
aj's 40 cal said:
wow sorry to hear about that. i was looking a a subcom glock today but went with a xd subcom insted. my m& p never has had a problem so i hope the xd is the same. good luck with your glock

safe shooting~
aj
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My subcompact Glock 27 has worked flawlessly. It's very accurate and nice to shoot. I wouldn't want to shoot 200 rounds through it in one day though. With the shorter grip and the recoil you'll get sore hands. I know there pinky extensions available, but I want my practice rounds to have the same feel as it would if I'm carrying for self defense. I have the G22 for lots of firing time.

Jason
 
BigBadAllis said:
Now that my G22 Gen 4 is operating smoothly it seems to be a greta gun to have. My friend and neighbor just bought an XDm 9mm yesterday. The XDm is a really nice gun. I had a very difficult time deciding when I was buying. Either way you will be a very happy owner.

Jason
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Sorry that you had those problems and hope all is well now. I hate to think that any Glock is not a reliable ole work horse. My 17 never had a problem and hope that if I get the 22 it will be just as reliable!
Thanks and continued good luck
 
CapGun said:
Sorry that you had those problems and hope all is well now. I hate to think that any Glock is not a reliable ole work horse. My 17 never had a problem and hope that if I get the 22 it will be just as reliable!
Thanks and continued good luck
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A buddy of mine recently bought a brand new 3rd generation Glock 22 (RTF2)... He has already put several hundred rounds through it without a hiccup... He loves his new pistol.. He is in the Army National Guard and is pursuing a career in law enforcement. He wants to carry his G22 when he finally goes out on the beat. He is going to have to work as a detention deputy for a bit before he can move into a patrol position. Anyway, I am still leary of the new gen. 4 pistols and have not tried them out yet. I have several pistols in mind for future purchase and one of them is of course a new 3rd. generation Glock... The G37 to be specific:biggrin:
 
I now have about 250 rounds through my gun. Not a jam yet... accuracy is good... for a "Gun Noob" like me HAHA. I can feel my trigger getting lighter and crisper - and I thought it was great out of the box!

I really think I have something wrong with my spring however. After comparing it to one in the case at the store.

Glock is going to send me a new one, but said it could be a few weeks...

I have shot XDm's - and they are great guns also. I think either is a fine purchase. To me it just boiled down to what fit better in my hands. I actually prefer the grip angle of the Glock over the XDm - it just seemed more of a "natural point" for me. I also liked that the Glock was a little smaller and stream lined.

I'll post again with an update about how this all turns out. In a week I will be shooting a buddies XDM in .40, which I have shot in the past. I am curious to see if I notice a recoil difference with the dual spring - and lower bore of the Glock. People in other forums refer to the recoil of the Gen4 as more of a "push" than a "flip"... I kind of noticed that at the range tonight, but have nothing to compare it against... and I am a novice/noob.
 
Gun_noob said:
I now have about 250 rounds through my gun. Not a jam yet... accuracy is good... for a "Gun Noob" like me HAHA. I can feel my trigger getting lighter and crisper - and I thought it was great out of the box!

I really think I have something wrong with my spring however. After comparing it to one in the case at the store.

Glock is going to send me a new one, but said it could be a few weeks...

I have shot XDm's - and they are great guns also. I think either is a fine purchase. To me it just boiled down to what fit better in my hands. I actually prefer the grip angle of the Glock over the XDm - it just seemed more of a "natural point" for me. I also liked that the Glock was a little smaller and stream lined.

I'll post again with an update about how this all turns out. In a week I will be shooting a buddies XDM in .40, which I have shot in the past. I am curious to see if I notice a recoil difference with the dual spring - and lower bore of the Glock. People in other forums refer to the recoil of the Gen4 as more of a "push" than a "flip"... I kind of noticed that at the range tonight, but have nothing to compare it against... and I am a novice/noob.
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Please keep us posted

Jason
 
Glock 22, Gen 4

Bought a new Glock 22 Gen 4 and have shot 200 rounds of Winchester FMJ target ammo without a single problem. When I broke it down to clean it I noticed the recoil spring seemed to be kind of rough on the end and didn't go back in the barrel the way I thought it should. I called Glock and told them about the problem and they said they hadn't heard that before, and not being able to see it they would just sent me a new recoil spring assembly, at no cost, and guess what? The new spring looks exactly like the old one, actually I can't tell them apart, it's just the way they are made. I wish I was enough of a shooter to know if the smaller grip on the Gen 4 is a benefit to me. I have a 22 gen 2 no fingure groove, and a 19 gen 3, and they all feel good to me.
 
Out of 4 Glocks, G-26, 36, 27, and a 21, with maybe 5 to 6 thousand rds thru them, the 27 being the oldest, with well over 2500 thru it, I have never had a gun induced problem, I foolishly traded the 26 for something I thought I wanted more, I intend to get another, as soon as I can work a deal, the 21 spring dont seem to fit just right but the gun shoots fine, in fact its the most accuate handgun I have without a scope
 
I have a 3rd Gen G22 and have about 10000 rnds thru it. Only issues I've had is an FTE with a weak recoil spring, a broken slide release and bad ammo (Aguilla). Problems are rare to almost never unlike those shooting other makes when I'm out at the range (weekly).
 
Gen4 the adjustable Glock!

In every post on the GlockGen4 the adjustable grip size has not been mentioned.

This was the major design change, of the Gen4 pistols, but as always, when you change other things, on anything! "That ain't broke" you tend to get results that are not, in some cases optimum, in this case the main spring.

The first move into double main springs was the compact 9mm the Glock 26, terrific idea (except for using a design that was not asked for, cost Glock $$$$) in the case of the Gen4 mainsprings, extra um-pf has been adjusted for, to lower muzzle flip, for want of a better word.

Unfortunately it appears the Company has built in a wee bit too much help! Shooting a friends Gen4 Glock 17, next to my Gen3 Glock 17, same ammunition, definitely less felt recoil on the Gen4 Glock 17.

As I am awaiting a Gen4 Glock19 I won at a Glock match, and while it seems a bit long in coming on the market (Spring redesign?) I feel sure Glock will fix it.

The unfortunate result of design change, it changes lot's of stuff, stuff you did not consider at the time!
 
Glockster20 said:
WOW!! That's insane!!:wacko: I shoot Winchester "white box", Federal "American Eagle" and Remington "UMC" ammo all the time! My Glocks digest them without any problems. I can't believe Glock said they can be temperamental with the lighter loads??? HUH??? I shoot the 165gr. WWB and have never had a failure. Yours is the first review I have heard regarding the new Gen. 4 Glock and I must say that I am very disappointed in Glock. They had a great working pistol.. should have left well enough alone instead of trying make "improvements"??? If this is what is to be expected from the Gen fours, then they can recall the whole line. I'll stick with my gen two's and three's. They work great!
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50 rounds.......disassembled....cleaned the barrel .....only to find the dual recoil spring jammed up when I tried to reassemble....brand new....thanks Glock...my first handgun! I bought my wife a Sig because I didn't want to buy 2 of the same guns for just this reason....now I'm only burnt out of cash for one gun....reselling this gen 4, taking the hit and buying a M&P.
 
Bought my Glock 22 Gen 4 about two weeks ago, have only put about 50 rounds through it but no problem running...
The recoil spring does seem to hangup on it self,if I turn it a little I can then compress it to get it reinstalled,
maybe it will loosen up with use, other than that, it stays in position once installed
Gun shoots great
My every day carry for the last 1.5 years is the Glock 27, never had any problem with it, same 2 peace spring but not shielded like the Gen 4 22
 
The business sense of the Glock group can not be faulted really. The perceived sales advantage that S&W had with the M&P models, the adjustable grip panels. The ease of doing the same with all the empty space they had at the back end of the grips, on Glocks, makes you wonder why they did not do that sooner.

My shooting mate has the feeling that Glock want to make a lifetime recoil spring, one that would never require replacing. That could quite well be a correct assumption.

Having visited the Glock Factory in Austria, on two occasions, a lovely little Town called Deutch Wagram, hope I spelled that right! To see the machinery, the overall happiness of the staff, the cleanliness, it is quite apparent that a good product is going to be produced here. Oh, and only people who live here, work here.

Back to the "Jamming problem" John M. Browning had a lot to do with all recoil operated pistols, a simple design really, the advent of the polymer frames by Glock, and it's recoil damping (the frame flexes) unlike a steel one, that takes every once of shock, tougher on the hands, and gun, caused a huge change in pistol design, by every manufacturer.

I picked up my free (won at our Clubs Glock match, random pick) Gen4Glock19 yesterday.

Compeering the strength required to lock the slide back, with a Gen3 Glock 19, the spring is heavier, on the Gen4. Not a very scientific test to be sure, but having been shooting hand guns for 56 years, I have some idea of what one feels like, compared to an other.

The infamous stove pipes, my shooting buddy had a new spring assembly sent to him From Glock, on his first purchased Gen4 Glock 19, a lighter one! And he has arms like legs!

I personally have neither heard of, or experienced any malfunctions what so ever with carry loads! None.
Only WWB or other light target loads, have had problems, still has to be fixed, extra springs for target loads? I don't know, but for those of us who have stated they would be leery of carrying for self defense?

My Winchester +P+ Ranger T 127g carry loads, they are going to work, first time, every time, all the time, and with less felt recoil. Add the extra death like grip adrenalin gives you? As Crocodile Dundee would say "No worries Mate"
 
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