Give me liberty or give me death


HK4U

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In light of the fact that everthing seems to be going to hell in a hand basket I thought some of you might like to review the words of one of the greatest patriots of all.



Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death
March 23, 1775
By Patrick Henry

No man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism, as well as abilities, of the very worthy gentlemen who have just addressed the house. But different men often see the same subject in different lights; and, therefore, I hope it will not be thought disrespectful to those gentlemen if, entertaining as I do opinions of a character very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely and without reserve. This is no time for ceremony. The question before the house is one of awful moment to this country. For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at the truth, and fulfill the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the Majesty of Heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings.

Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the numbers of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.

I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves and the House. Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received?

Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with those warlike preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlement assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us: they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne! In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation.

There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free--if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending--if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained--we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of hosts is all that is left us! They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength but irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable--and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.

It is in vain, sir, to extentuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace--but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!
 

Ceicei

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Thank you for sharing that. It is definitely a "must read" and timely, just as true now as it was then.

- Ceicei
 

FN1910

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When you read about the life of Patrick Henry you start to wonder if his great speeches had about the same meaning as those of Bill Clinton and B H Obama. A lot of hot air.
 

HK4U

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To compare Patrick Henry to Clinton or the Obamanation is like comparing light with darkness. Good with evil.
 

FN1910

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Patrick Henry wa a professional politician relying on his oratory powers to BS his way right along. The difference between he and Obama is that he wrote his own speeches. When it came down to actual fighting and trading his life for liberty he was usually somewhere safe. A good example of this is in the little stories below.

He was a great orator, lawyer, politician, patriot and BS expert.

Patrick Henry: America's Radical Dissenter

Second, while Henry may not have known the law as well as other attorneys, he was able to sway juries. His speaking style was a departure from traditional legal oratory, which emphasized rationality and allusions to classical texts. His style resembled nothing so much as an evangelical preacher, with biblical references and an appeal to passion and emotion rather than reason. This style came from his childhood. Although Henry had been baptized into the Church of England, he often attended Presbyterian services with his mother. The dramatic preaching of Samuel Davies and other ministers associated with the evangelical movement known as the Great Awakening was a basic influence on his oratory.


While he was in the Legislature, British troops, under Benedict Arnold and Banistre Tarleton, invaded Virginia. Their attack sent the Governor, Thomas Jefferson, and the Legislature scurrying over the Blue Ridge Mountains to the relative safety of Saunton. An anecdotal story of Henry's flight remains and it also points out the high regard that the common citizens of Virginia had for the man.

It is said that as Patrick Henry, Benjamin Harrison, Judge Tyler, and Colonel Christian were hurrying along, they saw a little hut in the forest. An old woman was chopping wood by the door. The men were hungry, and stopped to ask for food. "Who are you?" she asked. "We are members of the Legislature." said Patrick Henry; "we have just been compelled to leave Charlottesville on account of the British." "Ride on, then, ye cowardly knaves!" she said in wrath. "Here are my husband and sons just gone to Charlottesville to fight for ye, and you running away with all your might. Clear out! Ye shall have nothing here." "But," replied Mr. Henry, "we were obliged to flee. It would not do for the Legislature to be broken up by the enemy. Here is Mr. Benjamin Harrison; you don't think he would have fled had it not been necessary?' "I always thought a great deal of Mr. Harrison till now," answered the old woman, "but he'd no business to run from the enemy." And she started to shut the door in their faces. "Wait a moment, my good woman," cried Mr. Henry; "would you believe that Judge Tyler or Colonel Christian would take to flight if there were not good cause for so doing?' "No, indeed I wouldn't." replied the old woman. "But," Henry said, "Judge Tyler and Colonel Christian are here." "They are?" exclaimed the woman. "Well, I would never have thought it. I didn't suppose they would ever run from the British; but since they have, they shall have nothing to eat in my house. You may ride along." Things were getting desperate. Then Judge Tyler stepped forward: "What would you say, my good woman, if I were to tell you that Patrick Henry fled with the rest of us?" "Patrick Henry!" she answered angrily, "I should tell you there wasn't a word of truth in it! Patrick Henry would never do such a cowardly thing." "But this is Patrick Henry," said Judge Tyler. The old woman was astonished; but she stammered and pulled at her apron string, and said: "Well, if that's Patrick Henry, it must be all right. Come in, and ye shall have the best I have in the house."
 

HK4U

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Yep that sounds like some of the revised politically correct crap that is taught today especially in public schools.
 

FN1910

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Yep that sounds like some of the revised politically correct crap that is taught today especially in public schools.

LMAO So if it doesn't fit your idea of what history should have been then it has been revised to be PC crap. :laugh:

The truth is that the Founding Fathers for the most part were mostly scoundrels looking out for their own best interest like today's politicians. Ever check out George Washigton's expense account? He volunteered to lead the armies for no salary but did ask for his expenses to be paid. His expense account would make a modern day CEO blush. Thomas Jefferson's mistress may have been a slave but she was also his wife's half sister.

Benjamin Franklin got things done in France by partying all night primarily with the wives of the French Aristocracy and left his "calling card" all over Paris. patrick Henry was a great orator but a war hero he was not. When the time actually came for him to decide on Liberty or Death he was hightailing it out of there.
 

HK4U

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LMAO So if it doesn't fit your idea of what history should have been then it has been revised to be PC crap. :laugh:

The truth is that the Founding Fathers for the most part were mostly scoundrels looking out for their own best interest like today's politicians. Ever check out George Washigton's expense account? He volunteered to lead the armies for no salary but did ask for his expenses to be paid. His expense account would make a modern day CEO blush. Thomas Jefferson's mistress may have been a slave but she was also his wife's half sister.

Benjamin Franklin got things done in France by partying all night primarily with the wives of the French Aristocracy and left his "calling card" all over Paris. patrick Henry was a great orator but a war hero he was not. When the time actually came for him to decide on Liberty or Death he was hightailing it out of there.

[IWelll lets just say I have heard the attacks before on the founding fathers and they usually come from the liberal left.[/I]
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For those ouf you that would like to learn the truth about the founding fathers I sujest the above site.
 

Bohemian

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When you read about the life of Patrick Henry you start to wonder if his great speeches had about the same meaning as those of Bill Clinton and B H Obama. A lot of hot air.

Patrick Henry for starters... accomplished many things in government. In 1775 he was elected to the First Continental Congress. Henry was governor during the Revolutionary War. In 1775 he spoke at the Virginia Provincial Convention where he is remembered for his famous words,"Give me liberty or give me death". In 1778,Patrick Henry worked at the state Convention that was later asked to ratify the United States Constitution.
He further was a strong opponent to federalism and helped secure the first 10 amendments to the Constitution...

Obama... mmm lets see, for starters, zero Executive Experience, never been a CEO, or even ran a small business or even a grocery store for that matter, is the most anti-Constitutional, Anti-Second Amendment Politician in U.S. History, failed to serve even one full term as a U.S. Senator, usurped the Presidency, spent more money in his first 30 days in office then all governments combined have in their entirety, in the history of the country, inflation adjusted... PROMISED, that no American would lose one dime by the bailouts, further that we would make interest on those bailouts funded by tax increases (on 100% of every household in the country), what happened? Chrysler went bankrupt anyway, and now not only do we not get interest; we have already lost 100% of the bailout money, that we have not yet paid for in tax increases and we will NEVER GET ONE DIME OF BACK, already mandated by bankruptcy court...
Further, GM is right behind Chrysler...
To add insult to injury the Usurper Obama just gave Chrysler billions more to start over at our expense, and GM billions more because they can't be allowed to fail either...

Billary was right... John McCain would bring a lifetime of relevant experience, I (Hillary) would bring a lifetime of relevant experience; Barack Obama brings a speech he wrote in 2002...
 

FN1910

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[IWelll lets just say I have heard the attacks before on the founding fathers and they usually come from the liberal left.[/I]
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For those ouf you that would like to learn the truth about the founding fathers I sujest the above site.

I am not attacking them at all just laying out the facts that they were not the righteous, heroic, unselfish all-knowing, fault-free perfect men that history would like htem to be. They were men just like men of today with faults and ideas of their own many times with their own self-interest at heart. The did not thin all men were created equal like they tried to make out. They considered themselves above the crowd and considered only male land owners worthy of consideration. They considered slaves to be chattle and women to be beneath them. This was the environment of that time but they were not perfect. Through much hard work and time wrote a great document called the Constitution. But you can proclaim how much bravery and sacrifice they made but how many of them actually fought in battle.

Andrew Jackson is revered by many for leading his men into a battle that was actually fought after the British had already surrendered. I just get tired of all this stuff about Geroge Washington at Valley Forge and the wonderful victories at Lexington and Concord while the actual war was won in South Carolina. More Revolutionary War battles were fought in SC than any other state but the history books I used in school never mentioned that. All I heard was how George Washington cut down a cherry tree and threw a silver dollar across the Delaware river. You can call it revisionist history but I call it setting the record straight.
 

HK4U

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I don't think for one minute they were perfect. There has only been one perfect man and he was the Son of God. I do think however for the most part with a few exceptions they were head and shoulders above what we have running or should I say ruining our country today. Most of the smear tactics agianst them have come from a very liberal press and a liberal, Marxist public school system. Again wallbuilders is a good sourse of information on the subject.
 

Piece Corps

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I have heard just about all the crap that I am going to listen to. There is truly a lot of BS here,but it isn't about the Founding Fathers. George Washington, Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, Patrick Henry, and all of the others who put their lives on the line - and they DID put their lives on the line by publicly standing up for what they believed and speaking out against the Crown - were the "clay" that created this country.

No one is perfect, but there has to be those who control the process and those who carry it out. Is the CIC a coward for not being on the front lines of a war? Or even the generals? And Washington was on the front lines and in the winter cold with his troops. Franklin fought most of the war in France, where he got the patriots needed foreign help. SHould this old man have been shouldering a musket in battle?

This is what our liberal educational system has done to our history - made it into so much bullshit and malarkey that none of today's youth have any faith and belief in the U.S. anymore. The United States? Oh, we're nothing more than just another country in this world, and a poor one, at that. George Washington? Big deal! He was just another lousy general who happened to get lucky. Our history has been beaten down to where not many kids even know it any more. And what they do know is slanted liberally to make it as worthless as possible. I doubt that you even know what patriotism is.

How so many failures could get together and produce our Declaration of Independence and Constitution is like saying that given enough time, a bunch of monkeys on computers could do as well.

FN1910, I really don't know what you're doing up here. I've got more patriotism in my left nut than you have in your whole body. Great men produced this country, and gave you the right (so far) to own a gun (I can only guess that's why you're even on a gun forum). And now MOST of us are fighting to protect the rights that those Founding Fathers gave us long ago. If you think they were all a bunch of philanderers and ne'er-do-wells, then why are you defending those rights on this board?

One suggestion - why don't you read the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, and give me the names of a few of today's "scholars" who could have written the same? If you want to look at the dregs of politics, just look at today's representatives. I'll back our Founding Fathers any day over our country's current criminals.
 

boris

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I have heard just about all the crap that I am going to listen to. There is truly a lot of BS here,but it isn't about the Founding Fathers. George Washington, Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, Patrick Henry, and all of the others who put their lives on the line - and they DID put their lives on the line by publicly standing up for what they believed and speaking aout against the Crown - were the "clay" that created this country.

No one is perfect, but there has to be those who control the process and those who carry it out. Is the CIC a coward for not being on the front lines of a war? Or even the generals? And Washington was on the front lines and in the winter cold with his troops. Franklin fought most of the war in France, where he got the patriots needed foreign help. SHould this old man have been shouldering a musket in battle?

This is what our liberal educational system has done to our history - made it into so much bullshit and malarkey that none of today's youth have any faith and belief in the U.S. anymore. The United States? Oh, we're nothing more than just another country in this world, and a poor one, at that. George Washington? Big deal! He was just another lousy general who happened to get lucky. Our history has been beaten down to where not many kids even know it any more. And what they do know is slanted liberally to make it as worthless as possible. I doubt that you even know what patriotism is.

How so many failures could get together and produce our Declaration of Independence and Constitution is like saying that given enough time, a bunch of monkeys on computers could do as well.

FN1910, I really don't know what you're doing up here. I've got more patriotism in my left nut than you have in your whole body. Great men produced this country, and gave you the right (so far) to own a gun (I can only guess that's why you're even on a gun forum). And now MOST of us are fighting to protect the rights that those Founding Fathers gave us long ago. If you think they were all a bunch of philalderers and ne'er-do-wells, then why are you defending those rights on this board?

One suggestion - why don't you read the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, and give me the names of a few of today's "scholars" who could have written the same? If you want to look at the dregs of politics, just look at today's representatives. I'll back our Founding Fathers any day over our country's current criminals.

right on!!
 

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