tonybologna416
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i hope someone can help me. my question is if i got a restricted permit in one county, then move to another, could i apply for an unrestricted permit in the new county that i would primarily reside?
getting a ccw permit if you have a restricted permit in a different county
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snatale42
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Most likely not, You need to fill out your profile so we know where you are! I'm gonna go out on a limb and say NY? Not a hole lot of States that issue permits that don't work. But if you moved to a county that is known to give REAL permits, then it doesn't hurt to ask. How long you've had your current one will also most likely come into play.
tonybologna416
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yes im from chenango county in central new york, but after college i will be moving to a different county. chenango, from what ive heard, only issues restricted permits. the county i want to move to gives unrestricted permits. i dont have a permit yet which is why im asking. i want to know whether i should wait and apply when i move to the other county, or if i could get by with a restricted here and get an unrestricted later.
snatale42
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If it's not that long until you move, It's probably easier to wait and just just a unrestriced permit, then have to "undo" a restriced one. In MA, when people move into a friendly city/town if they want to get the restriction removed ahead of it's expiration they have to convince the issuing PD to early expire the permit, so the new PD can issue an unrestriced one. But as bad as MA is, it's not half as bad as NY. But if you've got a couple years left in school, at least the restricted one will let you buy your guns and hit the range.
tonybologna416
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i graduate in may, so its very soon, but i havent looked for any places yet and dont know how long that will take (you know how that is lol) but i think i will just wait and get it later. thanks for replying!
Get a permit as soon a can in whatever county you reside. You can apply to have the restrictions removed when you move.
Waiting until you move may pose a problem in the new county if it requires that your references be from the same county. Better to have the permit and simply request removal of a restriction then to start from scratch.
Waiting until you move may pose a problem in the new county if it requires that your references be from the same county. Better to have the permit and simply request removal of a restriction then to start from scratch.
New York State, unlike some supposedly more friendly gun states, does not restrict permit holders from possessing a loaded weapon in a bar or restaurant.
The "restrictions" we are speaking about come from the issuing judge. Many counties have a policy of restricting first time pistol permit owners to "hunting and target practice" or "recreation and target practice", the intent of which is to prevent the first time pistol permit holder from wandering around with his or her loaded weapon.
The restrictions are administrative only. That is, the issuing judge could revoke your permit if you are caught breaking the restrictions, but you couldn't be prosecuted for breaking the law because the law doesn't recognize such restrictions.
Charles Tucci
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My origanal permit was issued "restricted hunting and target" from westchester county, when I moved to dutchess county I transfered the permit to dutchess and it came back with the restriction, I was told you have to be a resident of that county for six months then you can have your permit ammended after writing a letter to the judge of that county explaining why you want the restriction taken off.
BC1
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Lot's of bad advice here. If you're in NYS your permit is good for life. Moving doesn't require you re-apply, you only need to file an address change in the new county. The new permit may come back restricted, especially if you're young. Restrictions are lifted by filing an amendment to the existing license.
BC1
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Absolutely correct!
What? I don't see a single sentence in this thread that goes against your post (unless you count the posts about MA, or the OP who is looking for answers). Bad advice, or just not worded the same as you?
...And to the poster asking "what restrictions?", its important to understand that NY requires a permit just to own a handgun. All permits are for a "License to carry pistol", but the judge can put restrictions on it such as a "premise license" allowing you to only have it at home or your business. Some counties restrict almost all permits while others don't restrict any. In effect, your "carry permit" can be restricted to where you can't carry at all; but can only have it in the home or at a range.
trophyhunter
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You have to transfer your permit to new.county and if that county only issues unrestricted permits then your good best bet is to call new county permit office
spf159753
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So these are not "concealed weapons permits", just like Illinois F.O.I.D. card,only really allowing you to have a gun in your house. NY and California,and Illinois gun laws suck. Here in Washington State,we can carry concealed with a "concealed pistol Lic.". Almost everywhere, but bars,schools,jails.
It's already legal to have a gun in our homes,without any permits.
It's already legal to have a gun in our homes,without any permits.
jon@hmbgny
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This is true i have two residence's in ny erie and chautauqua counties i tried this we need 4 refeance's that know you well from your town! but in erie county you are allowed refeances from your county. i just went and asked the pemit office in buffalo.
tonybologna416
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Mulligan v. Williams, 169 A.D.2d 280 (3rd Dept 1991):
Petitioner moved from one county to another, and when he sought to register an additional firearm, the county where he had obtained an unrestricted license to carry a concealed pistol many years before directed him to his new county of residence. Respondent, the licensing officer of the new county, issued what purported to be a duplicate license, but restricted the license to hunting and target shooting. Petitioner, who had been employed as a private investigator and hoped to work in that field again, brought a N.Y. C.P.L.R. 78 proceeding, alleged that respondent's action in restricting his license was unauthorized, and sought a court order directing respondent to remove the restriction from his pistol license. The court held that under N.Y. Penal Law § 400.00(10), a license remained in force and effect until revoked. Under § 400.00(5), a licensee who changed his place of residence was only required to apply for a transfer of any records to the appropriate officer at the licensee's new place of residence. The court held that a license did not expire simply because the licensee moved to another county and, therefore, petitioner's unrestricted license remained in effect.
The court held that petitioner's original unrestricted license to carry a concealed pistol remained in effect, despite his move from one county to another, and directed that the unnecessary duplicate license be voided.
However, 3 years later the NY Court of Appeals (NY's highest court) decided O'Brien v. Keegan, 87 N.Y.2d 436:
Petitioner, who held a carry concealed license restricted to hunting and target practice, applied twice to amend the license to cover additional firearms and to remove hunting and target practice restrictions. Petitioner's application was granted both times without a proper cause inquiry. The third time petitioner applied to amend license, a different licensing officer, the respondent, reviewed application and concluded that petitioner failed to show proper cause to hold an unrestricted carry concealed license under N.Y Penal Law § 400.00(2)(f) and restricted license to hunting and target practice. Petitioner challenged this determination pursuant to N.Y. C.P.L.R. 506(b)(1) contending that the licensing officer was not authorized to modify valid unrestricted license. The appellate division granted the petition, lifting the restrictions, holding that application for amendment of license did not trigger opportunity for proper cause hearing. On appeal, the court disagreed and reversed, holding that petitioner's inability to show a need to carry several concealed firearms supported respondent licensing officer's finding that there was no proper cause to justify an unrestricted license.
The court reversed the ruling. The application for amendment of the license did trigger the opportunity for respondent licensing officer to conduct a proper cause hearing, and because petitioner was unable to establish the need to carry several concealed firearms, respondent was justified in finding that there was no proper cause for an unrestricted carry concealed license.
Petitioner moved from one county to another, and when he sought to register an additional firearm, the county where he had obtained an unrestricted license to carry a concealed pistol many years before directed him to his new county of residence. Respondent, the licensing officer of the new county, issued what purported to be a duplicate license, but restricted the license to hunting and target shooting. Petitioner, who had been employed as a private investigator and hoped to work in that field again, brought a N.Y. C.P.L.R. 78 proceeding, alleged that respondent's action in restricting his license was unauthorized, and sought a court order directing respondent to remove the restriction from his pistol license. The court held that under N.Y. Penal Law § 400.00(10), a license remained in force and effect until revoked. Under § 400.00(5), a licensee who changed his place of residence was only required to apply for a transfer of any records to the appropriate officer at the licensee's new place of residence. The court held that a license did not expire simply because the licensee moved to another county and, therefore, petitioner's unrestricted license remained in effect.
The court held that petitioner's original unrestricted license to carry a concealed pistol remained in effect, despite his move from one county to another, and directed that the unnecessary duplicate license be voided.
However, 3 years later the NY Court of Appeals (NY's highest court) decided O'Brien v. Keegan, 87 N.Y.2d 436:
Petitioner, who held a carry concealed license restricted to hunting and target practice, applied twice to amend the license to cover additional firearms and to remove hunting and target practice restrictions. Petitioner's application was granted both times without a proper cause inquiry. The third time petitioner applied to amend license, a different licensing officer, the respondent, reviewed application and concluded that petitioner failed to show proper cause to hold an unrestricted carry concealed license under N.Y Penal Law § 400.00(2)(f) and restricted license to hunting and target practice. Petitioner challenged this determination pursuant to N.Y. C.P.L.R. 506(b)(1) contending that the licensing officer was not authorized to modify valid unrestricted license. The appellate division granted the petition, lifting the restrictions, holding that application for amendment of license did not trigger opportunity for proper cause hearing. On appeal, the court disagreed and reversed, holding that petitioner's inability to show a need to carry several concealed firearms supported respondent licensing officer's finding that there was no proper cause to justify an unrestricted license.
The court reversed the ruling. The application for amendment of the license did trigger the opportunity for respondent licensing officer to conduct a proper cause hearing, and because petitioner was unable to establish the need to carry several concealed firearms, respondent was justified in finding that there was no proper cause for an unrestricted carry concealed license.
An important distinction about the cases Nogods posted is that they involved moving to a MORE restricted county. The OP would be moving from a restrictive county to a less restrictive county. He has more chance of getting a newly unrestricted permit than those people had of keeping theirs unrestricted in their anti-gun areas.
BC1
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Some posters are telling the OP he must get a new license. He does not get a new license, he files an amendment to his existing CCW permit. We're in the permit services business, handling hundreds of new applicants and amendments per year. Just want to ensure the OP knows his permit is good for life.
