Gay Marriage

[Anthony_I_Am]

All religious implications aside, what are the negative social side-effects of allowing gays to marry? You say it's bad for a child's well-being growing up. Ok, noted. What else? I can't think of gays getting married as being much of a problem. Maybe they'd be getting a slight tax break, but what else is so horrible about gay marriage?

Does corruption of society fall under the "religious implications aside" category? I mean, society has to have some kind of standards that aren't enforced by law. Moral and legal are two different things. Some things we just know are wrong without the gub'mint having to legistlate it to us.

 

[Midnight]

Does corruption of society fall under the "religious implications aside" category? I mean, society has to have some kind of standards that aren't enforced by law. Moral and legal are two different things. Some things we just know are wrong without the gub'mint having to legistlate it to us.

You're affirming the consequent. Will you please articulate a rational argument?

 

[Boomboy007]

Well said, Cathy.

Wait, wait, wait... Marriage is a bible-based institution?

Then, I guess all those Buddhists in China and Shinto followers in Japan, and Hindus in India, and Tribal members in Papua New Guinea who separate off into pair bonds and share deep, emotional ties, and go through social ceremonies (or not, whatev) aren't really married, since there wasn't a Reverend or a Father or a Priest there to preside over the rites and quote from the Bible, right?

Marriage is a social rite, not a religious one. Religion merely recognized the preexisting power of the pair bond and embraced it and wrapped it in mysticism and symbolism, but religion doesn't own it.

And neither does government. Both religion and government are gonna have to get over themselves and recognize that homosexuals exist, they are just as much down with the "permanent" committed pair bond as are heterosexuals, and accommodations will have to be made there for.

Homosexuality has been around at least as long as mankind, and if the examples of homosexual behavior in the animal world are any indication, probably a lot longer. Depending on the society of the moment, homosexuality vacillates between the ideal (Plato's Greece) and horrible sin (Contemporary Iran). As I have pointed out in other threads, with accompanying references (can't be bothered tonight), all available evidence points to the fact that children raised in same-sex parental households do not "become" gay at any higher rate than those raised in heterosexual households. Furthermore, the most recent studies indicate that those raised in gay households tend to be slightly better educated, and slightly more affluent, than their peers raised in heterosexual households.

Look, if you want to be left alone to believe and practice as you want, you have GOT to let others choose to believe and practice as they want. You start withholding civil liberties from someone because of the group to which they subscribe, then eventually it will be your group on the outside.

If you want to be tolerated, then practice tolerance.

 

[Anthony_I_Am]

You're affirming the consequent. Will you please articulate a rational argument?

Sorry if it's over your head. Lemme guess....You're a dude named Wendy?

 

[NDS]

All religious implications aside, what are the negative social side-effects of allowing gays to marry? You say it's bad for a child's well-being growing up. Ok, noted. What else? I can't think of gays getting married as being much of a problem. Maybe they'd be getting a slight tax break, but what else is so horrible about gay marriage?

If you want to find all the arguments against gay marriage from an earlier time go research the discussion before SCOTUS overturned laws banning interracial marriage. They're pretty much the same arguments, the end of the world due to mixed-race marriage justifications have just been adapted to gay marriage.

 

[Anthony_I_Am]

Yeah, and they were right.
Now America is just a whole lot of mulattos and no one is white or black or hispanic anymore umless it derves to benefit their cause.

 

[Big Gay Al]

Off the top of my head, just two.

Leviticus 18:22...You shall not lie with a male as with a women. It is an abomination.

Leviticus 20;13... If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.

Doesn't it also say:

Leviticus 20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

Speaking of abominations, there's a whole list of things NOT to eat, that are an abomination.

Not to forget, Leviticus 15:19 And if a woman have an issue, and her issue in her flesh be blood, she shall be put apart seven days: and whosoever toucheth her shall be unclean until the even.

So I guess we have to send all the women away when they have their period.

You know, I could have sworn this was the 21st Century, not 500 BC.

 

[wooddoctor]

God created Adam & Eve, not Adam & Steve. God didn't make a mistake, OOPS is not in God's vocabulary. Uncontrolled lust is a choice, be it adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, child molesting, etc., the more taboo the more the lust with these individuals. It's a disease everyone is born with, it's called SIN and God gave us the right to choose to sin or not to sin.

Ringo, tell me at what point in your life and at what age were you when you thought about being hetero or homo and actually made a conscience decision. A decision that would affect you for the rest of your life. So, I would submit to you that if it is a choice like you say, then you will remember that day. If you would quit quoting scripture for a moment and use common sense and science, it will all be come clear to you that you had no choice in the matter. Ask Big Gay Al maybe he would like to chime in and tell you he had no choice. Quit calling it marriage, marriage is between a male and female. Unification or some other word would be given for the same sex union. Please, Quoting scripture does not answer the question. Why would anyone choose to be a homo and be subjected to ridicule and descent from folks like you for the rest of there life?????

 

[Midnight]

Sorry if it's over your head. Lemme guess....You're a dude named Wendy?

No, it's pretty clear that you said it's wrong "simply because we just know it's wrong."

 

[theicemanmpls]

Homophobia: The Fear Behind The Hatred

Among humans, homosexuality is found in all cultures and with about the same frequency it is found in America. Cultural norms seem to have little influence on the incidence of homosexual behavior. So the claim that it isn't natural becomes rather difficult to support.

Homophobia: The Fear Behind The Hatred

 

[CathyInBlue]

25 most common arguments against gay marriage and their classification as to whether they are: Incorrect, Subjective, Discriminatory, Fallacious, a Nonargument, and/or a Double Standard.

They deconstruct the bigots' arguments far better than I ever could.

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[Cocked _and_Locked]

I like how the 1st response to #25 starts out... "This argument is completely illogical..."

Kinda like:

Sorry if it's over your head. Lemme guess....You're a dude named Wendy?

And the whole "inherently fallacious" concept repeated throughout. Reminds me of my first weeks on this site attacking the Bohemian and other political fudsters, clearly detailing the trappings of their well-known fallacies.

(sigh) It's a never ending struggle.... :no: