Gave a Gun Owners Caucus talk at my county Democratic Party meeting tonight.


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Yup, here in Oregon at least, we have a Gun Owners Caucus of the state Democratic Party. It is the second-largest caucus; behind only the GLBT caucus. (With a decently large overlap; including the Gun Owners Caucus chair - whose goal is to have the Gun Owners Caucus become larger than the GLBT caucus.) I am the Local County Representative for Multnomah County - the county that includes Portland; which makes it the highest-population county in the state; and also the county with the largest percentage of the population that falls under as restrictive gun laws as the Oregon constitution allows.

The statewide chair has been holding information talks at county Democratic party meetings for a while now, and as might be expected of Democratic party gatherings, has gotten some hostile crowds. (Surprisingly, mostly in RURAL county Democratic party meetings.) Being that I am in one of the most liberal cities in the U.S., I had prepared myself for an onslaught of negativity. (At the first county meeting after the issue with the Wisconsin lawmakers, there was an attempt to pass an "emergency resolution" supporting the Democratic lawmakers there. Because it was an "emergency resolution", it had to be passed unanimously to pass. One person dissented, and was immediately attacked by some of the more militantly pro-union Democrats in the room. I came to his defense then; and was afraid of getting the same basic treatment when I gave my presentation.)

Well, tonight I gave my presentation, after having it delayed quite a few times. (I had originally had it scheduled for February, but that was right after the Giffords mass shooting, and was convinced to postpone. Had to postpone for other reasons at other times, ranging from being sick to having meetings run ultra-long.) I even had one of the county party leaders attempt to convince me to postpone it again, because of the IHOP shooting. I was determined to go ahead this time. (Partly because of the Temple University student self-defense case - that is a POSITIVE case for gun owners.)

The result? At a meeting of the Democratic party in one of the most liberal cities in the U.S.? Very well received. I asked how many current members of the Gun Owners Caucus were in the room, and had the four people I knew about already, plus two more I didn't know about. Fielded about ten questions, and only one was "anti-gun" (from an ER nurse.) Even that one was asked politely, and had no snarky follow-up. (Surprising, considering this person is known for snark.) Most comments were positive, including quite a few cries of "I didn't even know the Democratic Party *HAD* a Gun Owners Caucus!"

In the end, it really helped open lots of Democrats eyes to the fact that yes, even other Democrats, even ultra-liberal ones (we have one guy who does identify himself as a "socialist"; but most Gun Owners Caucus members do seem to be the Democrats who would be called "Blue Dog" Dems, definitely a more moderate-to-mild-conservative bent to those who make an effort to be in the Gun Owners Caucus.) And got at least a few Democrats who were pro-gun-rights, but didn't want to "offend" fellow Democrats who now feel comfortable actively lobbying for gun rights.

So, mission accomplished: in one of the most liberal cities in the country, we now have dedicated politically-active liberals who are now more willing to openly support gun rights.

Next month I'm going to arrange a trip to a shooting range. I'll be sure to invite quite a few of the local politicians who are on the edge for gun rights, and try to get them fully converted as well. (I'll also invite some of the avowedly anti-gun politicians, but I doubt any of them would attend.)

If you're in the Portland area, and want to come (and are willing to hang out with a bunch of liberals - and promise not to try to stir the pot too much on non-gun issues,) let me know; I'll let you know the date, time, and location. (I ask not to bring up non-gun issues specifically to make sure that the on-the-fence politicians see that people that support them on most things feel strongly about gun rights, too. I know I'll be inviting one politician I don't agree with on much - but I'll hold my tongue on the other issues and let her think I agree with most things so she won't just dismiss my views on guns outright.)


By the way, our caucus' tagline is "Democrats don't want your guns -- we've already got our own."

Dons flame-retardant suit for the impending onslaught of right-wing criticism... I will conduct serious debates, but will not respond to purely personal attacks.
 

Edit: fixed now.

heh. I think you mean pinkpistols.org, not .com. :biggrin: (AKA: Your link goes to a "domain parking" page with a picture of a woman in lingerie.)
 

twogunwilly

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I'm sure your Libretard buddies would support gun ownership as long as they were the only ones with guns. Look around there are no moderate Democraps, you are all Socialists waging class warfare and waving around the race card at anyone who disagrees with your mantra.
 

the dark

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twogunwilly:228228 said:
I'm sure your Libretard buddies would support gun ownership as long as they were the only ones with guns. Look around there are no moderate Democraps, you are all Socialists waging class warfare and waving around the race card at anyone who disagrees with your mantra.

OK....who let their demented grandpa out of the attic and on the computer?
 
Well, considering the only member of the Oregon state legislature to possess a Class 3 FFL is a Democrat...

I agree, there is a lot of work to be done educating many Democratic lawmakers; but there are plenty out there who fully support the Second Amendment.
 

Danieljoe1

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Ed,

I would love to join you and your fellow Democrats for a day of shooting. Its unfortunate that Im not a resident of Oregon and the drive up is in the ball park of 12 hours or so. I do believe that it would do me good to be the "fly on the wall" of a Democrat conversation and listen to an opposing point of view for a while. Have a good day shooting!
 

TekGreg

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Ed,

When I lived on the West Coast, even though I am not a Democrat, I would've committed to driving up to help you out because I believe in what you are doing. If we as shooters, Republican or Democrat, Conservative or Liberal, can help to bridge the gap and bring more people out of the dark and show them the truth about guns and shooting, we should be able to do so in an apolitical way and educate others as to the media untruths about us and our sport. Just one range day to demonstrate safe shooting and show these people that we are normal without threatening their political views would be well worth the drive!

I wish you luck and I hope you will keep us posted as to your success. It sounds like you are up against some hefty odds, but the way you are going, I think you will definitely experience some success! Keep up the good work!
 

wooddoctor

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Ed,

When I lived on the West Coast, even though I am not a Democrat, I would've committed to driving up to help you out because I believe in what you are doing. If we as shooters, Republican or Democrat, Conservative or Liberal, can help to bridge the gap and bring more people out of the dark and show them the truth about guns and shooting, we should be able to do so in an apolitical way and educate others as to the media untruths about us and our sport. Just one range day to demonstrate safe shooting and show these people that we are normal without threatening their political views would be well worth the drive!

I wish you luck and I hope you will keep us posted as to your success. It sounds like you are up against some hefty odds, but the way you are going, I think you will definitely experience some
success! Keep up the good work!

First of all, if mr Ed is really a democrat I would not a trust a word he says. They are the enemy! How can any normal rational thinking mind appply a D to their name???. Second, the communist party is the Party of the rule of man, not the rule of law. Don't let this jackleg deceiving, conniving communist, Fool you into believing that he is on of us. His spew is all Hog Wash. I know the scum of the left and they no different the Radical Islam, they say one thing and do just the opposite.

They prey on your weakness, don't buy into their hogwash. Ask yourself this question, if you have morals, would you proclaim to be a demon crat, would you? sorry mr Ed you suck if you proclaim to be a demon crat you and all your buddies in the communist party are the enemy , if you have any integrity you would change your screen name to" I love the USA ".screw you union thugs!

Take you hogwash to move on and your own kind they will believe your BS. Maybe you buddy Hoffa can give you a place for you BS.
 

wooddoctor

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Mr Ed you are pure bravo sierra! I would tell you this to your lying face, you all full of dog squeeze. You proclaim to be a D your sorry ass.
 

TooCalm

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Is the Democratic party doing an about face on their gun rights position? If so they have one huge stereotype to overcome. That would be their past anti gun legislation.
I would welcome the change, but first I'll have to see it before I believe it.
 
At least here in Oregon, the Democratic Party's official stance as a party is to support gun rights, and to punish criminals who use guns to commit crimes.

The full resolution, which is the current and only active Democratic Party of Oregon resolution on firearms at all, is:
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A RESOLUTION OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY OF OREGON


WHEREAS, the Democratic Party has long been dedicated to the preservation of civil liberties; and

WHEREAS, the Democratic Party has long been dedicated to the preservation of freedom and social justice.

NOW, THEREFORE, THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY OF OREGON RESOLVES AS FOLLOWS:

Section 1. To recognize and support the right to keep and bear arms in Article 1 Section 27 of the Oregon State Constitution and the Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America as an individual right not granted by the government, but rather guaranteed by the government.

Section 2. In recognition of the tremendous personal responsibility engendered by the right to keep and bear arms, the Democratic Party of Oregon further advocates severe penalties and their enforcement for criminal use or misuse of the right.

ADOPTED by the Democratic Party of Oregon on the 16th day of July, 2005.

As far as I know, the national Democratic party has no official stance one way or the other.

Of course, the party having such a resolution doesn't mean individual members have to follow it. Obviously, the Democratic Party has gotten the reputation of being anti-gun based on the efforts of multiple Democratic lawmakers over the years. (My own state representative being one of the worse offenders - thankfully for me, she is not running for re-election, so I'll have plenty of time to remind those Democrats who run to replace her that our state House district has one of the highest concentration of CHL holders in the state.)

Yeah, there are plenty Democrats who are pro gun-rights, it just tends to be one of the issues that isn't the highest priority for most, so many of us grudgingly accept gun-unfriendly Democrats because we agree with them on enough other issues that we disagree with the opponent on. However, those same ones of us actively lobby inside the party to try to ensure more gun-friendly Democrats make it to the general elections.

I hope to be able to help these shifts, both internal to the party, and public-image wise, as much as I can. There are many people who would otherwise agree with the Democratic party who don't because of a few issues, a major one being gun rights. (Obviously, there are plenty of others, such as wooddoctor, who are so poisoned by the word "Democrat", that they would never believe anything a Democrat says, and are impossible to convince.)
 

wooddoctor

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Ed, you seam to be a nice guy. I have no bones to pick with you so this is not an attack at you personally even though i still think you suck claiming to be a Demo. We have a one Party government with a two Party Pozie scheme. Why would you even assign a party affiliation to your name? Why would you even proclaim belonging to the D party when the likes of ALL the communist reside within this party? How can you even excuse this Marxist creep in the white house, he and his wife defecate daily ALL OVER the White House. Are you really proud of KKK Byrd and that wacko Gore and pecker head Clinton and Bill Ayres and all the rest of the American HATING sob the nested in YOUR Party? Why don't you just come forth and tell us all you are a moocher like the rest of the communist in your party and knock of your BS about pro gun support?
 

6shootercarry

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Not all democrats have the anti-gun disease... I know one who supports the right to keep and bear arms. However more of them than I'd prefer have that anti-gun and anti-basic-rights affliction. The democratic party of old is long gone... The progressive liberal communist party has taken over and destroyed any sensibility... That party if supported further, could spell death to the American way of life... No thanks...
 

wooddoctor

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Not all democrats have the anti-gun disease... I know one who supports the right to keep and bear arms. However more of them than I'd prefer have that anti-gun and anti-basic-rights affliction. The democratic party of old is long gone... The progressive liberal communist party has taken over and destroyed any sensibility... That party if supported further, could spell death to the American way of life... No thanks...

This is exactly my point! The Democrate party is the party of communism "They are the Enemy to this Republic". When someone proclaims to be a Democrate, my guards go up, they prey on the weak minded and will BS and try to convince you they are good. Notice I said try to convince you they are good doers. Mr Ed seams to be trying to hard.......they prey on the goodness of the conservative......they are scum......and it must be engrained and ooze out of every pore of your body.
Godless Self serving scum will lie without a blink.

Demarcates are the haters and use Race to divide the people, the more they can divide the people the more power they gain. Why would anyone want to proclaim to be a Democrate ? Mooshell can now be proud. Erick Holder can now cover up SoLyndra money laundering scam what a great party to support.
 
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