Gander Mountain the home of the idiots

[JimTh]

I am a resident of Virginia and my daughter will be turning 18 at the end of this week. She wants a 380 auto for her birthday. Before anybody takes a nosedive over the cliff, an 18 year old can carry a pistol openly in Virginia (state law). Now she cannot purchase a pistol from an ffl but she can purchase a pistol from a private seller. She cannot buy pistol ammunition from any store but she can from a private seller. I can buy her a pistol and give it to her as she is related to me. I am a parent and she is my daughter...that is called related by those of you that are getting ready to have a fit. Gander Mountain clerk got extremely arrogant when I approached him about the purchase. My daughter wanted to pick out the particular pistol she wanted. Gander clerk said I could not even mention her name or suggest that the gun was for an 18 year old. He could not work with me...period...if I mentioned daughter again.

I left...BTW I have spent several thousand dollars at Gander over the past 18 months...not anymore though...I went to an actual firearms shop right down the road. I asked them if they understood federal and state firearm laws. They said they did. Then you won't have a problem with me buying a pistol for my daughter who is turning 18. Just FYI I could have bought her a pistol when she was 8 years old. They said hell, no problem at all...that is called gifting. The man behind the counter said "I am 19 years old and I open carry everywhere I go". Please folks, so many damned people do not know the laws regarding firearms. Make your ffl learn the laws. If they cannot learn the laws tell them to get out of the business.

A few folks reading this post probably do not even know that an 18 year old in Virginia can be in possession and open carry any pistol of their choosing. I have read numerous posts regarding firearm laws that are so outrageous and ill informed it makes me wonder if those people should even have a cap gun. And Gander lets the morons sell the guns. No wonder people are screaming for gun control...idiots at Gander Mountain.

 

[ArmoredG22]

I learned something new today. That's a great law for responsible young adults. I personally can't stand big chain businesses when it comes to buying guns. They don't appreciate that you keep them in business like local shops do. If I need something from bass pro, gander, dicks etc, I just get in and out. Other than the Buffalo gun center in Buffalo, NY most small businesses appreciate your patronage. I personally like Hyatt's in Charlotte, NC. Glad you found an educated and sensible gun shop my friend.

 

[telpinaro]

That's the problem with large chain stores like Gander Mountain... National places like that have to deal with more laws than just local state so they often screw up the nuances, plus they get employees transferring from one state to another who may not have learned everything in the new state yet (or they are know-it-alls who think they already know the law so don't bother to research). They can be great stores for general outdoorsy stuff, but I'll take a local gun shop any day for anything firearms related. And REI for the rest.

 

[JimTh]

That's the problem with large chain stores like Gander Mountain... National places like that have to deal with more laws than just local state so they often screw up the nuances, plus they get employees transferring from one state to another who may not have learned everything in the new state yet (or they are know-it-alls who think they already know the law so don't bother to research). They can be great stores for general outdoorsy stuff, but I'll take a local gun shop any day for anything firearms related. And REI for the rest.

That is very true but I would suspect if you are in the business of selling fishing tackle you should make an effort to know creel limits or what kind of fish are in Virginia waters and where they might be found. Clearly you are not going to sell sturgeon bait to anybody in Alaska or tell someone that you don't know the limit on a protected species. The law is very simple to understand in Virginia...very simple and easy to find with a simple google search. I can do it in about ten seconds. But this guy really became an obnoxious twit. I did talk to the store manager on duty and I did send an email to Gander. If the employees do not know the law about firearms they should not be playing with guns. People have far too much too loose if they are instructed by the ignorant.

 

[telpinaro]

They may have some crazy nation-wide store policy to follow, too... Or the guy was just a lazy idiot (sounds like it!). You're definitely right about employees knowing the law... can only imagine if it went the other way and some idiot taught a new gun owner to do something completely illegal. If you get a return email from Gander, I'd be interested to know what it said...

One thing I will say for Gander... gotta love the concealed carry is welcome signs!

 

[N R A]

I would get her a can of mace. Think back, how reactionary were you at 18? Once the bullet travels down that barrel, there is no calling it back.

 

[JimTh]

I would get her a can of mace. Think back, how reactionary were you at 18? Once the bullet travels down that barrel, there is no calling it back.

Better yet...the boobs out in Colorado told women at the University of Colorado they didn't need a firearm for protection against a rapist, all they had to do was vomit on their attacker or just pee their pants. They didn't mention mace. Now that is one sure fire way to turn a violent attacker even more violent. On second thought I think we will keep with the pistol! But hey, thanks for the advice.

 

[JimTh]

Just as a follow up...it is not likely that my daughter will exercise her right to carry, but currently she does not have that as an option unless she is with me. If an 18 year old is mature enough to kill in war or be killed in war, they are mature enough to carry a firearm in a public place. I suspect they earned the right as payment for protecting my right.

 

[jcreek]

I walked into a gun store with my dad when I was like 12 and picked out my first pistol. No problems whatsoever.

 

[ezkl2230]

They may have some crazy nation-wide store policy to follow, too... Or the guy was just a lazy idiot (sounds like it!). You're definitely right about employees knowing the law... can only imagine if it went the other way and some idiot taught a new gun owner to do something completely illegal. If you get a return email from Gander, I'd be interested to know what it said...

One thing I will say for Gander... gotta love the concealed carry is welcome signs!

A number of weeks ago, a fellow posting on another forum told about his visit to the new GM firearms superstore in Grandville, MI. He was openly carrying in accordance with MI state law, never unholstered his firearm. The gal at the customer service desk YELLED across the aisle to him, "You can't carry a pistol like that in this store!" Forget about the fact that OC is legal in MI. Common sense tells you that you discreetly handle such things - not point him out to everyone else in the store.

Suffice it to say, the customer left GM and went down the street a half mile to the new Cabela's that opened up, where even many of GM's own employees shop because, to quote one of their firearms sales people, "GM's prices are too friggin expensive for me to buy guns there!"

 

[2Aactual]

I am a resident of Virginia and my daughter will be turning 18 at the end of this week. She wants a 380 auto for her birthday. Before anybody takes a nosedive over the cliff, an 18 year old can carry a pistol openly in Virginia (state law). Now she cannot purchase a pistol from an ffl but she can purchase a pistol from a private seller. She cannot buy pistol ammunition from any store but she can from a private seller. I can buy her a pistol and give it to her as she is related to me. I am a parent and she is my daughter...that is called related by those of you that are getting ready to have a fit. Gander Mountain clerk got extremely arrogant when I approached him about the purchase. My daughter wanted to pick out the particular pistol she wanted. Gander clerk said I could not even mention her name or suggest that the gun was for an 18 year old. He could not work with me...period...if I mentioned daughter again.

I left...BTW I have spent several thousand dollars at Gander over the past 18 months...not anymore though...I went to an actual firearms shop right down the road. I asked them if they understood federal and state firearm laws. They said they did. Then you won't have a problem with me buying a pistol for my daughter who is turning 18. Just FYI I could have bought her a pistol when she was 8 years old. They said hell, no problem at all...that is called gifting. The man behind the counter said "I am 19 years old and I open carry everywhere I go". Please folks, so many damned people do not know the laws regarding firearms. Make your ffl learn the laws. If they cannot learn the laws tell them to get out of the business.

A few folks reading this post probably do not even know that an 18 year old in Virginia can be in possession and open carry any pistol of their choosing. I have read numerous posts regarding firearm laws that are so outrageous and ill informed it makes me wonder if those people should even have a cap gun. And Gander lets the morons sell the guns. No wonder people are screaming for gun control...idiots at Gander Mountain.

Good job for not doing business with Gander Mtn. If a retailer wishes to impose their own views contrary to what the actual law's are they don't belong in the business of selling a product to lawful, good people. If you're the kind of person who doesn't think an 18 year old should be carrying a weapon for open carry, then you're the same person who's against a 11-12 yr old from taking hunters safety, and Eddie Eagle from visiting a 5th grade class. I'd trust an 18 yr oLd more than most 30-40 yr olds I know, yeah you (Glock20)

 

[Chris Rakes]

I would get her a can of mace. Think back, how reactionary were you at 18? Once the bullet travels down that barrel, there is no calling it back.

don't know what you mean by this post. i for one was a very leveled headed at 18. i was NG and got married, worked steady, and didn't have the piss i do now. 99% of the 19 year olds i know now are much like that. they are probably less likely to shoot anyone. because they don't want to mess up their lives

Just as a follow up...it is not likely that my daughter will exercise her right to carry, but currently she does not have that as an option unless she is with me. If an 18 year old is mature enough to kill in war or be killed in war, they are mature enough to carry a firearm in a public place. I suspect they earned the right as payment for protecting my right.

don't know why she would not have the option to carry. you are in VA ain't you?

 

[dgifted]

I have shopped the Cabela's in KC and Wichita and had some fairly intelligent discussions with the help. I have even bought a few guns through them but more were purchased from dealers at gun shows or small local dealers. Now the GM in Wichita was definitely different. I have been there several times and felt the clerks acted like I interrupted something real important he wanted to get back to. Something like polishing the glass case was preferable to answering my questions.
-----Last winter, I drove to the Fiesta Bowl and on to my brother's in Central California. I stopped in a Cabelas in Arizona to confirm how I needed to handle my handgun while in Fairyland. The clerk was very helpful and Cabelas sold a couple of items because a salesman was informed. I find in Cabelas and Bass Pro, at least I felt I was given undivided attention and all questions fully answered. It is nice to find someone that knows the law.

 

[NavyLCDR]

Ummm..... considering the rant that you are going on about Gander Mountain, maybe we should clarify a few things about your post that seem to be a bit more limiting than what the actual legal restrictions are.....

She cannot buy pistol ammunition from any store but she can from a private seller.

The restriction in law is that an FFL cannot sell a person under the age of 21 ammunition that is intended to be used in a handgun. However, the error that seems to be in your post is "any store". An FFL is only required to be a dealer in firearms....not ammunition. So, she certainly could legally purchase ammunition for use in a handgun at 18 years old at, for example, a Wal Mart store that does not sell firearms and does not have an FFL for that store, but does sell ammunition.

I can buy her a pistol and give it to her as she is related to me.

The restriction that seems to be in your post that is not in law is "as she is related to me." You could legally buy her a pistol and give it to her as a gift at 18 years old even if she wasn't related to you at all, so long as she wasn't prohibited from possessing a firearm due to felony, illegal alien, domestic violence conviction, etc.

Just FYI I could have bought her a pistol when she was 8 years old.

But you could not legally have gifted that pistol to her until she was 18, according to Federal law.

 

[JimTh]

don't know what you mean by this post. i for one was a very leveled headed at 18. i was NG and got married, worked steady, and didn't have the piss i do now. 99% of the 19 year olds i know now are much like that. they are probably less likely to shoot anyone. because they don't want to mess up their lives



don't know why she would not have the option to carry. you are in VA ain't you?

What I meant was she doesn't have the option to carry as long as she doesn't have a firearm and mace is not a replacement.

 

[JimTh]

Ummm..... considering the rant that you are going on about Gander Mountain, maybe we should clarify a few things about your post that seem to be a bit more limiting than what the actual legal restrictions are.....



The restriction in law is that an FFL cannot sell a person under the age of 21 ammunition that is intended to be used in a handgun. However, the error that seems to be in your post is "any store". An FFL is only required to be a dealer in firearms....not ammunition. So, she certainly could legally purchase ammunition for use in a handgun at 18 years old at, for example, a Wal Mart store that does not sell firearms and does not have an FFL for that store, but does sell ammunition.



The restriction that seems to be in your post that is not in law is "as she is related to me." You could legally buy her a pistol and give it to her as a gift at 18 years old even if she wasn't related to you at all, so long as she wasn't prohibited from possessing a firearm due to felony, illegal alien, domestic violence conviction, etc.



But you could not legally have gifted that pistol to her until she was 18, according to Federal law.

Sure I could have. She may not have been able to tell everyone that she owned a pistol but here in Virginia a person under 18 may possess a pistol, even concealed, on there own property. She could possess the pistol anywhere as long as I was with her. The following is the law in Virginia that my original post kindly requested that you guys read before you make an uneducated statement.

§ 18.2-308.7. Possession or transportation of certain firearms by persons under the age of 18; penalty.

It shall be unlawful for any person under 18 years of age to knowingly and intentionally possess or transport a handgun or assault firearm anywhere in the Commonwealth. For the purposes of this section, "handgun" means any pistol or revolver or other firearm originally designed, made and intended to fire single or multiple projectiles by means of an explosion of a combustible material from one or more barrels when held in one hand and "assault firearm" means any (i) semi-automatic centerfire rifle or pistol which expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material and is equipped at the time of the offense with a magazine which will hold more than 20 rounds of ammunition or designed by the manufacturer to accommodate a silencer or equipped with a folding stock or (ii) shotgun with a magazine which will hold more than seven rounds of the longest ammunition for which it is chambered. A violation of this section shall be a Class 1 misdemeanor.

This section shall not apply to:

1. Any person (i) while in his home or on his property; (ii) while in the home or on the property of his parent, grandparent, or legal guardian; or (iii) while on the property of another who has provided prior permission, and with the prior permission of his parent or legal guardian if the person has the landowner's written permission on his person while on such property;

2. Any person who, while accompanied by an adult, is at, or going to and from, a lawful shooting range or firearms educational class, provided that the weapons are unloaded while being transported;

3. Any person actually engaged in lawful hunting or going to and from a hunting area or preserve, provided that the weapons are unloaded while being transported; and

4. Any person while carrying out his duties in the Armed Forces of the United States or the National Guard of this Commonwealth or any other state.

 

[JimTh]

Ummm..... considering the rant that you are going on about Gander Mountain, maybe we should clarify a few things about your post that seem to be a bit more limiting than what the actual legal restrictions are.....



The restriction in law is that an FFL cannot sell a person under the age of 21 ammunition that is intended to be used in a handgun. However, the error that seems to be in your post is "any store". An FFL is only required to be a dealer in firearms....not ammunition. So, she certainly could legally purchase ammunition for use in a handgun at 18 years old at, for example, a Wal Mart store that does not sell firearms and does not have an FFL for that store, but does sell ammunition.



The restriction that seems to be in your post that is not in law is "as she is related to me." You could legally buy her a pistol and give it to her as a gift at 18 years old even if she wasn't related to you at all, so long as she wasn't prohibited from possessing a firearm due to felony, illegal alien, domestic violence conviction, etc.



But you could not legally have gifted that pistol to her until she was 18, according to Federal law.

Federal law prohibits anyone that is an FFL from selling pistol ammunition to anyone not 21 years old. Please go reread your federal code and post your link. Better yet just go swab a few decks. You are the forums sexual intellectual...the f'in know it all and you do not, swabby. By the way 7-11 does not sell ammunition. Anybody that sells ammunition must obey federal code unless you are a private seller. Go look it up and get yourself a lawyer to help you formulate opinions dealing with firearm laws. Maybe you go to odd ball walmarts to buy your high water pants a little to small...walmarts in Virginia are FFL's.

 

[wolf_fire]

Better yet...the boobs out in Colorado told women at the University of Colorado they didn't need a firearm for protection against a rapist, all they had to do was vomit on their attacker or just pee their pants. They didn't mention mace. Now that is one sure fire way to turn a violent attacker even more violent. On second thought I think we will keep with the pistol! But hey, thanks for the advice.

Buy her a shotgun... a double-barreled shotgun. If something happens, fire all two rounds in the air so your daughter is perfectly defenseless. This will stop all attacks on you. I know this, because my Vice President told me.

:smile:

 

[NavyLCDR]

Sure I could have. She may not have been able to tell everyone that she owned a pistol but here in Virginia a person under 18 may possess a pistol, even concealed, on there own property. She could possess the pistol anywhere as long as I was with her. The following is the law in Virginia that my original post kindly requested that you guys read before you make an uneducated statement.

Wise man once say, "It is better to be thought of as a fool, than to post on the internet and remove all doubts."

Federal law, read very carefully. Which is exactly what I mentioned in my post:

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18 USC 922 (x):

"(x)(1) It shall be unlawful for a person to sell, deliver, or otherwise transfer to a person who the transferor knows or has reasonable cause to believe is a juvenile—
(A) a handgun; or
(B) ammunition that is suitable for use only in a handgun.

(2) It shall be unlawful for any person who is a juvenile to knowingly possess—
(A) a handgun; or
(B) ammunition that is suitable for use only in a handgun.

(3) This subsection does not apply to—
(A) a temporary transfer of a handgun or ammunition to a juvenile or to the possession or use of a handgun or ammunition by a juvenile if the handgun and ammunition are possessed and used by the juvenile—

(i) in the course of employment, in the course of ranching or farming related to activities at the residence of the juvenile (or on property used for ranching or farming at which the juvenile, with the permission of the property owner or lessee, is performing activities related to the operation of the farm or ranch), target practice, hunting, or a course of instruction in the safe and lawful use of a handgun;
(ii) with the prior written consent of the juvenile’s parent or guardian who is not prohibited by Federal, State, or local law from possessing a firearm, ...
(iii) the juvenile has the prior written consent in the juvenile’s possession at all times when a handgun is in the possession of the juvenile; and
(iv) in accordance with State and local law;...

(5) For purposes of this subsection, the term “juvenile” means a person who is less than 18 years of age."

 

[S&W645]

Buy her a shotgun... a double-barreled shotgun. If something happens, fire all two rounds in the air so your daughter is perfectly defenseless. This will stop all attacks on you. I know this, because my Vice President told me.

:smile:

Make sure one of those shots downs a drone. You'll have plenty of police there shortly after it happens.