Front Sight Training Institute


When I took my course last year, they did not allow us to clean our guns there. They just told me that the gun could handle not being cleaned for a few days. They also urged us not to clean guns in our hotel rooms, as there have been incidents at some hotels of guns discharging. Then the hotels want to blame Front Sight.

Enjoy your class! Let us know how you made out!


If folks follow proper procedures for safe firearms handling, then there should be no problem with firearms discharging in hotel rooms. Any training organization that would suggest otherwise would cause me to seriously consider the validity of their other training. They may be good in specialized training, but if they can't get the basic fundamentals right, then in my mind, the rest of their training would be suspect. JMHO

I sincerely hope that you were mistaken in hearing that the instructors suggested that ND incidents are possibly caused by their students.



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DarrellM5

New member
The training by the instructors is top notch. Unfortunately, you can't be sure that everyone will behave exactly as trained once they have left the facility. Also, remember that Front Sight trains more students than all the other schools combined. There are thousands of students a year that stay at the Golden West. I don't know if the ND's occurred during cleaning or dry practice, but they happened. Other shooting schools have encountered the same thing, one that I know of with fatal consequences.

As for cleaning the guns, my brother and I just popped the tail gate down during the lunch break and gave our pistols a thorough cleaning.
 

Sgt. SIG

New member
When I took my course last year, they did not allow us to clean our guns there. They just told me that the gun could handle not being cleaned for a few days. They also urged us not to clean guns in our hotel rooms, as there have been incidents at some hotels of guns discharging. Then the hotels want to blame Front Sight.

Enjoy your class! Let us know how you made out!

Yeah, I'll probably just bring a couple brushes and some lube. It'll give me a chance to really test out the Weapon Shield (http://www.weaponshield.com/) I have been using.

I have everything booked and planned... now if I can just be patient till October! :hilarious:

Thanks guys! :y:
 
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When I went they never said anything about gun cleaning in our rooms, just that it wasn't a good idea to dry practice in them. That's just it, there is so much information available there, a person should go more than just once. I plan on going again in the next 2-3 years for a refresher. :icon_great:
 

Dewhitewolf

Armed Snowboarder
If folks follow proper procedures for safe firearms handling, then there should be no problem with firearms discharging in hotel rooms. Any training organization that would suggest otherwise would cause me to seriously consider the validity of their other training. They may be good in specialized training, but if they can't get the basic fundamentals right, then in my mind, the rest of their training would be suspect. JMHO

I sincerely hope that you were mistaken in hearing that the instructors suggested that ND incidents are possibly caused by their students.
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As an instructor, you should know of all people that not everyone does what they were trained to do. Not everyone is vigilantly cautious about gun safety, even after taking a course. To blame the instructor or training facility for a careless student is the same as the media blaming the NRA, any other pro-gun organization, or gun owners in general, for crimes committed with guns.

To clarify, FS instructors urged students (at least my class) not to handle firearms in their hotel rooms. They were not trying to discourage people from cleaning their guns or not to dry practice, but they cannot control what people do on their own. One incident involved "an experienced rifleman" discharging his rifle, which went through several hotel rooms (thankfully no one was hurt). Another incident involved two irresponsible guys practicing presentation by quick drawing and pointing at each other--one was still loaded and ended up shooting the other unintentionally.

I heard from several other students that hotels in the Pahrump area actually require guests to sign an agreement not to bring firearms into their rooms. Again, this is because of carelessness of prior guests.

While you are entitled to your humble opinion, I have first hand experience with a course at Front Sight. I am presuming you do not. Front Sight emphasizes safety quite heavily.

IMHO, four day defensive handgun course taught at Front Sight is better than any NRA course I took.
 
I heard from several other students that hotels in the Pahrump area actually require guests to sign an agreement not to bring firearms into their rooms.

I stayed at Pahrump Station. I signed no such agreement. I was on my way to class one morning and I needed to stop in at the front desk. I was openly carrying my sidearm. All in attendance saw the weapon and had no comments about it, with the exception of a woman whose husband was attending the course also. She ask me if I knew what time she could expect her husband to return. Additionally I had maid service curtailed during my stay. When asked for the reason I told them that I had valuables stored in my room, including firearms and ammunition for the course. As has been stated so many times before, dressing in appropriate clothing, being well groomed, polite and smiling puts most people at ease even if they see you packing. People of Pahrump are well aware of the business that Front Sight students bring into their town. I find it hard to believe that they would jeopardize that by limiting their guests activities. Besides how many thousands of students pass through that place Vs. how many dumba$$es$ cause a negligent discharge. The thought of playing "quickdraw" even with "empty guns give me chills. I taught firearms safety for nearly fifteen years and witnessed 3 incidents of "empty" weapons not being empty. When the wife and I went to the casinos for dinner I left our guns in the room, with a do not disturb sign on the door. I don't know the policies of the other two hotels in town, but I highly recommend the Pahrump Station.:Image19:
 

DarrellM5

New member
Saddle West requires guests to sign the agreement that firearms will not be taken into the rooms. I also learned about the guy shooting a rifle through several rooms and the 2 guys drawing against each other. I believe that those 2 stories actually happened at a training facility other than Front Sight and that the instructors used them as an example that every student should be careful and not do anything stupid.
 

Sgt. SIG

New member
Saddle West requires guests to sign the agreement that firearms will not be taken into the rooms.

That's just one of many reasons the locals call that place "Saddle Worst"! :icon_cheesygrin:

I made my reservations at the Pahrump Station. :bigsmile:
 

kwo51

New member
Wow maybe they should not give them any ammo. Police chief shoots self ,dea agent does same. Have a class on tasers no guns allow. Sh--t happens guns don't shoot by themselves it must be the fingers.Leave fingers on the range. Send me to Black water.
 

Kenny

New member
I'm signed up for the 4 day handgun course in September, got what I think is a great deal, the course plus a new Springfield HD with accessories for $1200. Glad to hear so many think the training is excellent, one always wonders...
 
I'm signed up for the 4 day handgun course in September, got what I think is a great deal, the course plus a new Springfield HD with accessories for $1200. Glad to hear so many think the training is excellent, one always wonders...
I would be floored to hear that you were disappointed. Have fun!
 

usmc guy

USMC Guy
Stayed at the Pahrump Nugget Hotel for the 4-day Frontsite and 1 day ccw course - they are very, very pro gun. I live in Hawaii and needed to have ammo drop shipped from the vendor so as to avoid the $350 UPS ground shipping fee for a 1000 rounds of 45. The Director of Operations at the hotel told me to just shoot him a copy of the shipping notice and my ammo would be at the front desk when I checked in. Not only was it there, they loaded up a cart for me to hall to the room. No one every looked at me twice decked out in gun belt and gear each day as I left for the range. Also has an ice machine on the ground floor as you exit to the parking lot so you can fill up your small ice chest.
 

DarrellM5

New member
Saddle West has revised their policies and you can now take firearms into your room. You have to sign an agreement stating that you will abide by Front Sight's dry practice rules.
 

HiCarry

New member
Saddle West has revised their policies and you can now take firearms into your room. You have to sign an agreement stating that you will abide by Front Sight's dry practice rules.

I am planning a trip out to Front Sight and sent an e-mail to Saddle West about their policies on firearms. I got back a short message asking if I was attending Front Sight. I said I was and am waiting on their response.

I guess that they realized they were shooting themselves in the foot if they didn't allow gun owners to stay in their facility...
 

DarrellM5

New member
Saddle West has really stepped it up a notch. Firearms are allowed in the rooms as long as you sign the agreement. They offer 2 levels of discounts for Front Sight; one for first timers and one for First Family members. They give you a coupon, for 1 person, for each night that you stay for free breakfast buffets, which are excellent. One of the coupons is for the Sunday brunch buffet. The problem is that it doesn't open until after classes start at Front Sight. So they will let you use the coupon for any other meal; it has a $11.95 value). They also offer really good boxed lunches for you to take to class with you. They are $4 each, packed with stuff and you pick them up at the buffet counter in the morning.

Now if only they had wi-fi.
 
We stayed at the Best Western. They have free breakfast buffet for all guests every morning in time to leave for F.S. They also have discounted dinners in the sports bar after training (for guests), but we had T-bone at one of the local casino restaurants for very cheap! When I stayed with them, there was no problem having firearms in the rooms. I even went into the front office wearing my gear and nothing was said except for one guest assumed I was headed for F.S. and she ask what the training hours were. We had a nice room and WiFi. :biggrin:
 

HiCarry

New member
Saddle West has really stepped it up a notch. Firearms are allowed in the rooms as long as you sign the agreement. They offer 2 levels of discounts for Front Sight; one for first timers and one for First Family members. They give you a coupon, for 1 person, for each night that you stay for free breakfast buffets, which are excellent. One of the coupons is for the Sunday brunch buffet. The problem is that it doesn't open until after classes start at Front Sight. So they will let you use the coupon for any other meal; it has a $11.95 value). They also offer really good boxed lunches for you to take to class with you. They are $4 each, packed with stuff and you pick them up at the buffet counter in the morning.

Now if only they had wi-fi.

I got an e-mail back from them saying I could, after I signed the "agreement," keep firearms in my room if I were attending a Front Sight class. I wrote them back asking what their firearm policy was if I wasn't taking a Front Sight course. I received a cryptic reply about letting the front desk know and they would "notate" it.

I'm not sure what they mean, but I am not inclined to stay somewhere where my ability to exercise my rights are predicated on attending a Front Sight class, or any other such training. The fact that so far the reply to my simple question about their general firearms policy has been vague, indicates to me that their overriding concern in these poor economic times is not one of their patron's personal safety, but of their bottom line.
 

usmc guy

USMC Guy
Front Sight hotels

When I attended the 4 day course and 1 day CCW the instructor told us that most casinos don't want firearms on the floor, he went on to say that a lot of the casino security are former Las Vegas PD and they will know if you are CCW - but he said they will just watch you for a while and if you are just drinking coffee and playing the slots they will leave you alone - drink some booze and you will more than likely be asked to leave the property.

I only will stay at Pahrump hotels that will allow me to drop ship ammo to them to hold for my class - that should tell you who is a gun friendly place.
 

saintjerome

New member
I just recently purchased a lifetime pocket pistol membership at Frontsight. I have been reading everything that I can find on the organization and I see that the positive certainly outweigh the negatives. I plan on going in a few months. Any good suggestions out there? Any positive tips and/or things that I want to avoid?
 

usmc guy

USMC Guy
Front Sight

Congratulations,

Sign up for the 4 day pistol course first, it's the basic training that will get you up to speed on your firearm to include carry concealed.

You will shoot about 1000 rounds of ammo over the 4 days so make sure you take enough factory ammo with you.

The days are long and include one night shoot with flashlight, so make sure you have a good tactical flash light with a fresh battery.

Enjoy
 

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