From the Local News - Estacada man gets jail time for gunning down dog

If you are able to interpret a dog that's going to attack you and a dog running up to sniff your nuts then great. I've had many dogs sprint from a house barking and carrying on only to stop and my feet to take a sniff...it has startled me but never did I think I was going to have to shoot it.

I sincerely hope you never run into a dog that you think wants to "sniff" your nuts... only to discover he bit your nuts off and now that it's too late and you will be nutless for the rest of your life because you let him bite you first... before you finally defend yourself.
 
Bikenut:312173 said:
If you are able to interpret a dog that's going to attack you and a dog running up to sniff your nuts then great. I've had many dogs sprint from a house barking and carrying on only to stop and my feet to take a sniff...it has startled me but never did I think I was going to have to shoot it.

I sincerely hope you never run into a dog that you think wants to "sniff" your nuts... only to discover he bit your nuts off and now that it's too late and you will be nutless for the rest of your life because you let him bite you first... you finally defend yourself.

Well you go ahead and shoot the dog you 'think' is going to attack. Lets hope you have enough justification on your side in court.
 
I've seen some pretty aggressive dogs before but more often that not - in my experience - it's mostly for show. They'll bark, yap, and then just stare for a bit sometimes. (I'm not much of a dog person so that might have something to do with it.)

What you need to be worried about is growling, I think - not just any growling, but a certain kind. Regardless, armed or not I don't think shooting a dog would be something I'd do, mainly because grabbing a gun wouldn't seem appropriate at a time like that - I'd either be caught off-guard/attacked too quickly to shoot or I'd be engaged in using some other form of "pacifying" the beast, like kicking it or wailing on it.
 
If a dog threatened to attack my kids, my wife, or myself I would shoot the dog without hesitation. I'm not taking any chances with their safety. BTW, I love dogs and I own dogs.
 
i think owners of viciouse breed dogs should have to have a permit and license to keep such a dog and post a bond for that dog.
i wouldnt leave a loaded gun lying around where children could get to it. why should someone be allowed to let an uncontroled viciouse dog run around to the terror of the public?....i own a good watchdog. but he doesnt go round looking for trouble. just knock before entering.
 
That judge is such a dumb ass, were she says im shocked, no one goes out with a full clip (in a gun) to garden unless they intend to use it. Just another person stuck in there own little world that is hardly qualified to pass judgement on another person that has to defend them selfs from on coming danger.

I live out in the country, so im sure this stupid judge would be just as shocked if she knew I carried my gun while im out mowing the lawn, WITH A FULL CLIP IN MY GUN.
Same here. I put it in my pocket when on the tractor. No one is around and the engine noise keeps me from hearing things. I also leave the house unlocked turn on the alarm.
 
I would have to say that for me to kill a dog, it would have to actually bite me...so I could have the evidence and justification to shoot it so something like this wouldn't happen. Most dogs make a racket and bark because they are territorial and don't require a bullet. But I must say that the judge's comments are moronic regardless. Obviously not a pro gunner.

I wholeheartedly disagree. This man had been privy to this dog on several occasions. Something was different about this occasion for him to take action. Was the dog more aggressive than usual, was it bearing its teeth when it wasn't before? Apparently how the victim (person believing the dog was attacking him) feels about this does not matter to this judge. It is certainly reasonable to assume that a large dog can be life-threatening.

Also, what if you are unaware of the dog. Are you going to let a dog attack you first? At what point do you draw? What if the dog attacks your strong side? Are you able to draw with your support hand? Have you practiced drawing from your support hand? What about practicing firing one-handed? I have trained in these ways, and quite frankly, if I can avoid that, I would.

The law states that if a woman feels uncomfortable about a certain look or statement, then it IS sexual harassment regardless of the intent of the looker or commenter. But if we FEEL that a dog is life-threatening that's to not be considered in a court of law??? BULL BARRELS!!
 

"I'm shocked," Norby said. "No one goes out with a full clip (in a gun) to garden unless they intend to use it."
Rapidly firing bullets in a residential neighborhood where children are playing is outrageous, Norby said.
"What you did on this day would shock the consciousness" of any community, she said. "It makes me question your mental health."

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This Judge Norby character sounds like a real ignorant piece of work i.m.h.o.

First, sorry for resurrecting a couple months old post, just couldn't help myself when I read what this judge had to say about the situation. Clearly it must be some sort of political statement meant to dredge up emotions in her fellow anti-gun libtards or make a nice blurb in their local rag right? Nobody really thinks this is a logical statement do they?

Any time you have reason to have a loaded gun it should have a full 'clip' (ahem, magazine!) right? I think I'd be much more suspicious of the person who goes out with ONE bullet that they went there with the preconceived intent to use it. Or the person who goes out with NO bullets as clearly their only intention can be to intimidate people with it, or perhaps commit suicide by cop (If they have drawn it and brandished it at least, I know carrying to and from range in some locales and other reasons exist for carrying an empty weapon).

As for the rapidly firing bullets part, if the first one doesn't do the job what should you do then? Count to five before you use another? Was he spraying all over the neighborhood endangering all around or were all those bullets fired in the general area of... inside the dog. If it is the latter then there is NO negligence or possible 'outrage' that the judge seems to tirade about.

The facts of actually shooting the dog and whether one believes there is a legitimate threat to their safety are almost impossible to assess without having been there. But I would not hesitate to draw and shoot a large dog which I believed was about to attack me, or that someone had commanded to attack me (hasn't happened to me but my father once had a neighbor tell their dog to 'sick' him, my father was an off-duty LEO at that time and carrying, he did shoot the dog, nothing came of it legal wise.) I am an animal lover but any animal comes far behind any human when it comes to safety, even a non-vicious animal can become a safety hazard and growing up on a farm I have had to put them down before, namely a startled steer with a man pinned against an enclosure behind.

I'm just glad that I don't live in an area where judges like this typically reside. I believe my state's (AZ) stand your ground law would back me up if I had to deal with a vicious animal even if it required discharging in a neighborhood. Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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I also live in a generally rural area. One of the problems here is that many (i.e. almost all) dog owners seem to feel that it is their right to let their dogs roam free 24X7 and no leashes shall be used when hiking/walking. It ruins the joy the animal experiences.

Only relatively recently have I had a really usable carry gun. Last year I was standing well into my property, roughly 20' above road grade, simply standing and looking at a fruit tree (I know, I need to find a better source of entertainment). I had not carried a gun in the yard. A couple (hikers) were walking on the road with an unleashed German Shepard. The dog took one look at me and charged at me. Up two embankments, growling with fangs bared. Even if I had been armed I am not sure I could have reacted quickly enough. With (my estimate) less than 1 to 2 seconds remaining before being mauled, on of the hikers said "dog name" what are you doing, come here. It stopped instantaneously and returned to the road. No word from the hikers. I am not sure they even noticed what the dog was actually doing; just that it had run off. Had I been armed and quick enough they would have needed a new dog. From then on, I never go outside unarmed. And I try to use an open carry with fast access.

But this leads to an ongoing problem with dogs that are not under physical control. I do not believe it is the responsibility of the object of the dog's attention to be able to accurately interpret the mood and intent of a dog that approaches them making loud noises or any other action that an untrained person can dismiss as friendly intent. And this is true in public places as well as my yard. But there are a large number of people that think of dogs as people. And take their side against actual people.

If a guy with a knife approaches me making loud noises, I will draw my weapon and fire if they don't stop and approach within a distance where an attack cannot be defeated in time. How is this different when a dog with a knife (look in the mouth - knives) approaches and passes that same defense distance (which is even longer given the speed of a dog)? And with a dog, you have (arguably) less idea what it is thinking. Why does anyone willing to allow the dog to be out of their personal physical control, possibly justify a person not taking the same action? Why is it our responsibility to interpret/predict what their dog is going to do. Particularly with the catastrophic injury that can result from guessing wrong. But they do. If they are concerned; the dog should be physically controlled at all times. The number of dog attacks reported in the nearby town are on the increase. People get bitten and are not equipped to defend themselves. Animal control, if anything comes of it, issues a ticket for failure to confine the animal. If they find the owner.
 

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