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hogwylde

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I made my appt. to meet with the Police Chief on Friday morning for my LTC.

When I was talking to them on the phone they asked, "Have you ever had a permit before?" and when I said yes, they said, "Oh, well come on down first thing in the morning on Friday and we'll take care of it for you."

Well, it's at least looking promising!!
 
Yea. It's crazy here in Massachusetts. It's a PERSONAL decision the PD Chief makes.

I just read and replied to another similar thread that left me speechless. Since when do we have to convince another human being that we should be able to protect ourselves? What makes him any better than you? Last I checked, you are a human being and so is he. So why the hell does he have the power to decide if you can protect yourself while he violates the constitution at the same time. Get out of that state and stop giving them your tax money.

Hitler would be very proud of Massachusetts.
 
On the other hand, maybe people who don't have a criminal background and haven't been institutionalized but are absolutely loony tunes shouldn't really have a gun. And maybe a face to face discussion with the authority responsible for issuing the permit would ferret that out. There has to be some balance doesn't there? I carry and want to always be able to (I'm a liberal, I live in Kalifornia and I got a permit). But I don't mind if there are some limitations and controls in place to disallow freaks (like Jared Loughner who shot and killed people in Tucson for no good reason) from legally owning a firearm. Of course I realize there are many ways to illegally obtain a firearm. But this is my problem with having a one-sided view of things. Then there's the issue of the Constitution and states rights. Massachusetts is simply exercising its Constitutional right to do things the way it wants to. (Of course different rules in different states makes traveling and carrying very complicated).

I guess I just don't get inflamed like you do that there are some steps you have to go through to get the permit to carry a weapon. That's all.
 
On the other hand, maybe people who don't have a criminal background and haven't been institutionalized but are absolutely loony tunes shouldn't really have a gun. And maybe a face to face discussion with the authority responsible for issuing the permit would ferret that out. There has to be some balance doesn't there? I carry and want to always be able to (I'm a liberal, I live in Kalifornia and I got a permit). But I don't mind if there are some limitations and controls in place to disallow freaks (like Jared Loughner who shot and killed people in Tucson for no good reason) from legally owning a firearm. Of course I realize there are many ways to illegally obtain a firearm. But this is my problem with having a one-sided view of things. Then there's the issue of the Constitution and states rights. Massachusetts is simply exercising its Constitutional right to do things the way it wants to. (Of course different rules in different states makes traveling and carrying very complicated).

I guess I just don't get inflamed like you do that there are some steps you have to go through to get the permit to carry a weapon. That's all.

I dont even know where to begin with this. The state is violating the country's constitution. The people who made this country did not say that we need to pass certain tests to be able to exercise the rights they guaranteed to US citizens.

Your opinion is that people should pass very subjective and inaccurate "tests" to use their 2nd amendment right.
If we go down this road, then my opinion is that we should make people pass tests and have an interview to use their 1st amendment right. How about any human that doesn't pass my interview is not allowed to protest or talk? Or how about, we regulate the right to remain silent so that you need to take a "test" and then prove you are deserving of the right to remain silent so you can get a permit to remain silent?

Coming from a BA in psychology and sociology, I can tell you that no psychological test is anywhere near 100% accurate. Nor do modern day tests predict future behavior. And having a human decide whether or not to issue permits is even more ludicrous. Did you know that many psychopaths, specifically child molesters typically score in the normal range on one of the most extensive and supported methods of psychological evaluation, the MMPI?

Whether you realize it or not, we are all humans. Nobody is more human than any other human, not even an authority figure. Even the president has emotions, has done stupid things, and will do stupid things in the future. Even sheriffs. The old sheriff of my neighboring county just got arrested for running a secret drugs for sex operation while in his position of power. And you think that this guy (a regular human) should be interviewing us to decide who is good and who is not?
 
On the other hand, maybe people who don't have a criminal background and haven't been institutionalized but are absolutely loony tunes shouldn't really have a gun. And maybe a face to face discussion with the authority responsible for issuing the permit would ferret that out. There has to be some balance doesn't there? I carry and want to always be able to (I'm a liberal, I live in Kalifornia and I got a permit). But I don't mind if there are some limitations and controls in place to disallow freaks (like Jared Loughner who shot and killed people in Tucson for no good reason) from legally owning a firearm. Of course I realize there are many ways to illegally obtain a firearm. But this is my problem with having a one-sided view of things. Then there's the issue of the Constitution and states rights. Massachusetts is simply exercising its Constitutional right to do things the way it wants to. (Of course different rules in different states makes traveling and carrying very complicated).

I guess I just don't get inflamed like you do that there are some steps you have to go through to get the permit to carry a weapon. That's all.

I don't want the bad guys to have guns either. But if all it took to stop them was another law then we wouldn't need any prisons. Unfortunately the bad guys do have guns. Some they got legally some not. The only thing I see gun laws doing is to limit access to the good guy.

Can we count on a Police Chief to not have prejudice against guns? How much pressure might he be under by a mayor or council? When your rice bowl depends on politicians you play politics. Do we really want one person, or even a group, to control a right guaranteed by the Constitution. I am pleased that you are comfortable with the process you are going through. Luckily I don't have to go through the process here unless I want to carry in other States. We have Constitutional Carry and I don't fully understand anything else.

You are concerned about the law, I hope you get your permit. I also hope nothing happens to you before you do. We need more good guys that are willing to pack. I am uncomfortable with anything that slows this down.
 
Do we really think this will stop criminals from obtaining handguns? I mean get a grip! Surly we are not so naive...
The only thing this does is to slow down or discourage law-abiding citizens from having the ability to protect themselves...It is the liberal mantra...Oh it keeps guns out of the hands of the criminals and keeps us all safe!

That makes as much sense as saying don't give bad people ink pens and they can't write bad checks!
 
I made my appt. to meet with the Police Chief on Friday morning for my LTC.

When I was talking to them on the phone they asked, "Have you ever had a permit before?" and when I said yes, they said, "Oh, well come on down first thing in the morning on Friday and we'll take care of it for you."

Well, it's at least looking promising!!

GOOD LUCK, And don't let them scare you!!!!
 
I made my appt. to meet with the Police Chief on Friday morning for my LTC.

When I was talking to them on the phone they asked, "Have you ever had a permit before?" and when I said yes, they said, "Oh, well come on down first thing in the morning on Friday and we'll take care of it for you."

Well, it's at least looking promising!!

Good luck. Make sure that you're up on your law as they do sometimes ask questions about it in these interviews. Also make sure you have answers prepared for questions such as why you want a firearms license. Don't answer with anything that will result in them issuing a restricted license.
 
On the other hand, maybe people who don't have a criminal background and haven't been institutionalized but are absolutely loony tunes shouldn't really have a gun. And maybe a face to face discussion with the authority responsible for issuing the permit would ferret that out.
And who gets to make that decision? Because if it were me YOU fit that description and I would not give you a permit and would confiscate your current one.

There has to be some balance doesn't there?
And there is, but denying a right without due process and based upon one persons unprofessional medical opinion is asinine.

I carry and want to always be able to (I'm a liberal, I live in Kalifornia and I got a permit).
Well with all due respect NO FING $$$$HIT you are a liberal, the I got mine who cares about you attitude coupled with the I am the only one privileged to exercise my rights thinking gave it away.

But I don't mind if there are some limitations and controls in place to disallow freaks (like Jared Loughner who shot and killed people in Tucson for no good reason) from legally owning a firearm.
Again there are limitations, but the only constitutional ones have the little element of due process. Giving a Chief of police who has no medical degree will not be able to diagnose that Loughner or anyone like him was going to commit the crime he did. All it does is introduce the Chiefs ability to limit that right to people that are in his inner circle. But then again you are ok with that because you are liberal and in his inner circle.

Of course I realize there are many ways to illegally obtain a firearm. But this is my problem with having a one-sided view of things.
WOW you have a problem with "one-sided view of things" but a Chief denying a right to a citizen with no proof, accountability, or due process is not one-sided? But its ok because you got your permit.

Then there's the issue of the Constitution and states rights.
There's no issue here - one (Constitution) is law of the land and the other (states rights) is a myth made up by communist to try and deny rights to citizens saying the the rights actually belong to the state.

Massachusetts is simply exercising its Constitutional right to do things the way it wants to. (Of course different rules in different states makes traveling and carrying very complicated).
Please show me where in the constitution it says Massachusetts has the right to do what it wants regardless of citizen rights. The state doesn't have rights it has limited powers and people have rights to protect them from the States against overreach of those powers.

I guess I just don't get inflamed like you do that there are some steps you have to go through to get the permit to carry a weapon.
Because you have yours, I bet anything if you were denied you wouldn't be saying any of this crap. I bet you feel powerful when you walk around armed knowing that you are one of the chosen few who get to exercise that right.

That's all.
Now that is all
 
You are all soooooooooooooo predictable. I knew you'd throw a fit. Thanks for not disappointing me.

The reason I put in the part about being a liberal and from Kalifornia is because so many people on this board think that only conservative, right-wing, republicans, want to own guns. Yes, I am a classic liberal in that I subscribe to the notion that people are entitled to view things differently than someone else, that there are many sides to a story. That's all.
 
You are all soooooooooooooo predictable. I knew you'd throw a fit. Thanks for not disappointing me.

The reason I put in the part about being a liberal and from Kalifornia is because so many people on this board think that only conservative, right-wing, republicans, want to own guns. Yes, I am a classic liberal in that I subscribe to the notion that people are entitled to view things differently than someone else, that there are many sides to a story. That's all.

As long as you can get your permit, all is well.
 
There were quite a few interesting replies to my post and this is my take on it.

Yes, I know it is my Constitutional Right to defend myself but on the other hand, I do have a problem with somebody walking into a gun shop and buying a gun as easily as one would buy a pair of sneakers at WalMart. I believe there should be some control on WHO gets a permit/gun and I personally have no problem having a background check done. I do have an objection to some wacko-nut killing my family with a gun (that was his RIGHT to own) when a simple check may have revealed that he was once institutionalized as being schizophrenic or something of the sort.

A CONVICTED FELON who has served his time cannot vote. How does this make sense? He can't have an opinion and political view? If his RIGHT TO VOTE can be revoked, I see no problem with revoking someone's 2nd Amendment Right if they don't fit a certain criteria such as mental health, criminal convictions, etc. But do I agree with having to meet with and "impress" the Police Chief? Absolutely NOT! But if it's the law.....so be it.

Many stated about being "Free" and how I should leave Massachusetts. How "free" are you? Can you carry your handgun and just do as you please or are there certain laws that you have to follow? Of course there are laws that you have to abide by, so are you any more free than I am by living in Massachusetts and having to meet with the PD chief? And please don't think I am sticking up for Massachusetts because I'm not. I think this state sucks and not just because of their gun laws and trust me, one day I will be returning to my home state of Arkansas.
 

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