Forced surveillance cams in bars?

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The people that visit these establishments better fight this tooth and nail with their local, county, and state legislators. In fact I think everyone in this country should show total defiance with violence if needed to this Orwellian nightmare.


Police could force bars to install surveillance cameras – or be shut down



CHIPPEWA FALLS, Wis. — Bernie LaVelle doesn’t want to infringe on his customers’ privacy by installing surveillance cameras at his Weekend at Bernie’s bar, but his local government may not give him a choice.

The Chippewa Falls Police Department is pushing for an ordinance requiring all tavern owners in the city to pay for and set up surveillance cameras at their establishments because some law enforcement officials think the devices could help solve more crimes.

But if a bar owner were to violate the proposed law, which would allow police to obtain video footage at any time, they could lose their liquor license and be shut down.

LaVelle begrudgingly admitted to Wisconsin Reporter he’d be forced to comply because his private business is his sole means of income.

“You don’t have an option,” LaVelle said. “The government is controlling everything now and every aspect of our lives, and I just don’t like the way they are going with everything. They just keep jamming (expletive deleted) down our throats.”

The ordinance, which was presented to the Chippewa Falls Public Safety Committee earlier this week, has been forwarded to the city attorney’s office for review, according to Mike Hanke, chairman of the safety panel.

The proposed law was requested by the Police Department with the goal of helping officers better identify criminals and collect evidence, Hanke said.

Police Chief Wendy Stelter and Sgt. Dave BeBeau, who spoke in favor of the measure at the Public Safety Committee meeting, did not return several calls and emails from Wisconsin Reporter seeking comment.

Although Hanke agrees that surveillance cameras can assist law enforcement, he said he has reservations about the ordinance because he’s not entirely sure it’s legal, especially the provision that gives police full access to the private recordings.

“If we buy cameras and put them in our businesses, and you think you have a right to all that just because you pass an ordinance that says if you don’t, you lose your license, that averts the whole idea of privacy,” Pete Madland, executive director of the Tavern League of Wisconsin, told Wisconsin Reporter.

If the measure is approved by the Chippewa Falls Common Council, Madland said expects his organization’s board of directors to challenge it in court.

“It certainly would be up for discussion,” he added. “If we felt that this was setting a precedent, yeah, we definitely would do that.”

Madland said he is not aware of any similar laws passed by Wisconsin municipalities.

John Bodnovich, executive director of American Beverage Licensees, also described the situation as rare, even on a national level.

“Requirements like this are not commonplace precisely because of the unfair financial burden they would place on law-abiding local small businesses,” Bodnovich said in an email.

Hanke also said he is troubled the ordinance does not include all businesses in the city and singles out a select group. If cameras are really needed, Hanke said it shouldn’t be the responsibility of private establishments.

“My theory is, if you feel that certain areas of the city need to be monitored, the city needs to put their own cameras up and have the city pay for it and not make private business pay for it,” Hanke told Wisconsin Reporter.

Madland also said the city should focus on places that have had habitual problems.

“To put the financial burden on a tavern that has never had an incident is out of line …It’s like the old adage, whoever has the hammer, everything looks like a nail, and that’s what it looks like here,” Madland added.

The ordinance calls for bars to have electric cameras monitoring in all sections open to the public, including entrances, exits and cash register. Cameras must be recordingduring business hours, and all footage must be kept for at least 21 days.

A bar owner who disobeys any section of the law is subject to a fine of no more than $500 and can have their license revoked or not renewed.

The city also has a similar ordinance that applies to grocery and liquor stores.

Contact Adam Tobias at [email protected] or follow him on Twitter @Scoop_Tobias

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Another elected official who needs to be relieved of his job. In determining the legality of Obamacare the supreme court ruled that the government can't fine people who don't purchase insurance, a private consumer product, unless it is a tax. Thus the ACA was changed and the penalty became a tax... from the liar who said "no new taxes for the middle class."
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I believe in severe punishment for elected officials who try to skin the same cat in another way. Mommy said "no cupcakes." Don't go ask grandma unless you want a smack.
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Here's your next persistent gun control advocate. Unreasonable from birth...
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Why does that obnoxious little midget not have an ass smacked so sore that he can't crap for a week?!
And my friends wonder why I don't want kids....


Sent from behind Enemy Lines.
 
It's amazing and scarey all the numbers of cameras you see these days and getting worse. Even the license plate readers on police cruisers that record & store you personal data & GPS locations as you drive by.
As for the little brat, that's how kids are becoming. No more whacks at school or at home or they call children services. It's a disgrace
 
It would be great if all bars/taverns has surveillance cameras inside and outside. It would make them safer places.
 
It would be great if all bars/taverns has surveillance cameras inside and outside. It would make them safer places.

I am not trying to upset you or start an argument but I must disagree. The only thing cameras would do is film the crime and/or where the body was positioned. The camera may help find the BG but that is about all.
 
It would be great if all bars/taverns has surveillance cameras inside and outside. It would make them safer places.

You have a "simpletons viewpoint".
Just sayin..... Ya know?

PS, How's your gun control campaign coming along?!


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Why does that obnoxious little midget not have an ass smacked so sore that he can't crap for a week?!
And my friends wonder why I don't want kids....


Sent from behind Enemy Lines.

I was thinking the same thing. If I ever had called my mother by her first name I would have got smacked upside the head.
 
I would agree. This is utter Crap. Government already has cameras Everywhere it seems. Big Brother is watching! To be forced to install cameras in your business of any kind is unbelievable. Even if they paid for all the equipment from taxpayer $. I'm sure they would want it not only recorded, but a live feed too over Internet provided by owner. Is nowhere private anymore? They've already banned smoking in most of them too. Some governments have even banned smoking for anywhere in city limits. What's next?
 
It would be great if all bars/taverns has surveillance cameras inside and outside. It would make them safer places.


:confused::confused::confused:

So let's spy on the American public by having the local government force private business owners to install cameras in their private businesses. But not all businesses, just the ones that the government decides needs to have them.

Also, let's ban all those scary black rifles and outlaw any handgun that is a greater caliber than a .32.

More socialist/communist praise from cluznar.

And how does the mere presence of a camera make a place "safer". I guess taxi drivers and convenience stores don't get robbed anymore now that cameras are the norm in these locales? Bloviate somewhere else.

All the cops want is an ordinance saying that cameras are mandatory so their job can be done for them at the expense of the business owners' and their customers' 4th Amendment rights.
 

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