Florida Politicians. Ya gotta wonder.
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maybejim
Maybejim
Do you have to bring your own gun or do they supply one?
Phillip Gain
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My thoughts - if the method of execution is adjudicated to be "humane" (It either IS or ISN'T, no degrees.) then I think the choice comes down to what is best value for taxpayer money.
Does it cost less to electrocute? Inject? Shoot? Or hang?
As long as the method of execution is humane - ie a quick death that does not cause needless suffering or spectacle - then it doesn't really matter. The prisoner will be just as dead afterwards.
Does it cost less to electrocute? Inject? Shoot? Or hang?
As long as the method of execution is humane - ie a quick death that does not cause needless suffering or spectacle - then it doesn't really matter. The prisoner will be just as dead afterwards.
HootmonSccy
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You had to throw in that Spectacle, didn't you.. I was thinking a couple of BMG's might do the job quickly without suffering..
Each of the methods costs something..
I know in most states (that still have the choice) Electrocution is done OFF the grid.. They are done off Generator power.. So you have the cost of Generator maintenance, fuel, etc.
Many many years in the past the debate was how to increase suffering during executions. Now we are concerned that it should be humane. I DO believe in the death penalty but count me as one of the people who say it should be carried out humanely. If carried out properly the gas chamber, electrocution, hanging, firing squad, lethal injection, all can be quick at ending life. The chief cost is not in the form the execution takes but in the years of legal wrangleing and the cost of the lawyers. But in the end dead is dead and the person executed will never ever commit any crime again.
Tucker's Mom
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Or let them run loose and shot'em for "escaping custody"....
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Humane for who?
I find the 'humane' debate interesting. Most people equate humane with how it looks to the on lookers. A firing squad would be very graphic to watch but is probably quicker and less painful than injection.
Probably the quickest least painful method would be the guillotine, but death penalty opponents would decry it as inhumane because of the blood.
On a side note, I fully believe in the death penalty, but I think we should give up on it. The process is too long and expensive. It would actually save money to keep these guys in prison for 40-50 years than to go through the appeals process that is currently required.
I find the 'humane' debate interesting. Most people equate humane with how it looks to the on lookers. A firing squad would be very graphic to watch but is probably quicker and less painful than injection.
Probably the quickest least painful method would be the guillotine, but death penalty opponents would decry it as inhumane because of the blood.
On a side note, I fully believe in the death penalty, but I think we should give up on it. The process is too long and expensive. It would actually save money to keep these guys in prison for 40-50 years than to go through the appeals process that is currently required.
Warbirds
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My understanding of how Utah did the firing squad was that there were multiple shooters with most firing blanks so there was no proof who fired the kill shot. With anti death penalty groups trying to interfere, like the medical groups that threaten the medical license of the person that oversees the lethal injection maybe the firing squad will be more efficient.
I have an idea, make the execution the same method as the crime. Axe murders get the axe, gun crimes get shot, arsonists get burned, etc. maybe that would be more of a deterrent.
I have an idea, make the execution the same method as the crime. Axe murders get the axe, gun crimes get shot, arsonists get burned, etc. maybe that would be more of a deterrent.
the dark
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The humane execution idea always reminds me of being trained I the Hague and Geneva Conventions accords on warfare. Wage war and kill the enemy but do it in a way that is not unduly painful. Makes sense in some ways (e.g., treatment of POWs and civilians) but never made sense battle. Same here...yes, let's exact our revenge and remove this miscreant from among us...end his life...but let's not hurt him. Cheap way to try to absolve ourselves of some piece of the responsibility.
In the end, it is killing...no need to sugarcoat it.
In the end, it is killing...no need to sugarcoat it.
Phillip Gain
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Fair enough. I agree that there is no need to sugar coat an execution. But there is also no need to delight in it, make it drawn out and painful, or make a public spectacle of it. The object is to give a swift death to the offender, thus removing him (and the danger he poses) from society.
The "cruel and unusual punishment" concept was to make certain we didn't go back to the days of the guillotine, public guttings or amputations, drawing and quarterings, and the like.
the dark
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Agreed...a very rational and dare I say humane view of it. One I share. But I suspect it is not commonly held. Every thing we do surrounding it...including having victim's relatives as witnesses, suggests that revenge is the underlying motive. Hence, I think those who view it that way should have to confront their own barbarism. Again, like war, it is easy to wage if you are lucky enough to find ways to keep it at arm's length...but much more instructive if seen for its true nature.
Phillip Gain:240318 said:
Agreed...a very rational and dare I say humane view of it. One I share. But I suspect it is not commonly held. Every thing we do surrounding it...including having victim's relatives as witnesses, suggests that revenge is the underlying motive. Hence, I think those who view it that way should have to confront their own barbarism. Again, like war, it is easy to wage if you are lucky enough to find ways to keep it at arm's length...but much more instructive if seen for its true nature.
festus
God Bless Our Troops!!!
Go green...A rope is a reusable asset that does not emit bad things into the environment. That will make the tree huggers happy when we as a society start switching off turdbags and helping restore the rule of law. If the crime was heinous enough I would approve of the fireant solution in cases of child rape and the like. Seems fitting to me.
cmhbob
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If we're going to do it, (and I'm not sure we should, but that's another thread), then use nitrogen asphyxiation.
"Humane" can also refer to the effect execution has on the executioner. I really doubt that anyone who helps kill another person is completely unaffected. Nitrogen is freely available in air, and has no toxin issues (like cyanide gas). The system would require no special training, as all you'd need to do would be to turn on a pump.
When The State kills someone, it must do so without vengeance or anger. The State administers Justice, not vengeance.
"Humane" can also refer to the effect execution has on the executioner. I really doubt that anyone who helps kill another person is completely unaffected. Nitrogen is freely available in air, and has no toxin issues (like cyanide gas). The system would require no special training, as all you'd need to do would be to turn on a pump.
When The State kills someone, it must do so without vengeance or anger. The State administers Justice, not vengeance.
S&W645
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Don't forget, that could make them sick and then you'd have PETA after you. PETA= People for Ethical Treatment of Ants. :biggrin:
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