Florida Gunman Shoots During School Board Meeting

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I'm sure that everybody has seen the news by now. A man with a gun enters a schoolboard meeting and attempts to shoot members of the board. It is a true miracle that nobody but the gunman was injured. It is sad that current events of today are so bad that someone would feel the need to do something so drastic as that.

YouTube - Shooting at a Florida School Board, Please be rational with your comments.

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amazing video

Amazing how they had video to cover it all. and I am surprised it has been released.

I really gotta think he never meant to hit anyone, only scare them. He was less than 10 feet away and show several rounds and hit nobody, I think he was only there to scare and kill himself.

in any case, thank God nobody else was injured. From what I have seen and read, we have only seen a small part of it, it lasted quite a long time.

It DOES make me wonder, what IF one of the school board members carried???

Lastly, it says that the security guard took several shots and only injured him, maybe that guard needs some range time. :)
 
Daven I think your right except, maybe, the Security Guard wasn't trying to kill him. My brother worked for a Sheriff in GA that never carried a loaded Gun. Everybody's different, most on the Net would have put a pound of lead in him (me included).
 
Daven said:
Amazing how they had video to cover it all. and I am surprised it has been released.

I really gotta think he never meant to hit anyone, only scare them. He was less than 10 feet away and show several rounds and hit nobody, I think he was only there to scare and kill himself.

in any case, thank God nobody else was injured. From what I have seen and read, we have only seen a small part of it, it lasted quite a long time.

It DOES make me wonder, what IF one of the school board members carried???

Lastly, it says that the security guard took several shots and only injured him, maybe that guard needs some range time. :)
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Watch some police shootout videos - you'll see plenty trained professionals empty their guns at a perp at very close range and miss with every shot. Adrenaline flowing, heart pounding....not quite as easy as shooting paper at the range.

As for the guard, he did what he needed to do first and foremost - drop the perp. Other than "execution style" shootings, most gunshot victims are not killed or incapacitated instantly, especially in a situation when the guard doesn't have time to steady himself and take a perfectly aimed shot.
 
I dont know about you all but I am getting a little tired of criminals not following the law on the carry and use of guns. Maybe we need to make a new rule or something. :mad:
 
I heard this AM that the perp shot himself. My first thought was that thank goodness the guard was there, or the guy might have started hitting people instead of random firing.
 
florida gunman

So much for "no carry" zones!!!!

check out the video, then look at comments people sent in the first few are pro gun owner after that quite a mix of pro and against....I cannot believe the ignorance out there!

The pocketbook lady ...........well a gun in her bag would have been better,but oh that's right law abiding people do not carry guns in schools!:no:

the security guard was fortunate this guy wanted to die, because only wounding him did not solve the problem. The gunman did by killing himself ( which is probably what he wanted in the first place)

School board gunman had 'look in his eyes' - U.S. news - Crime & courts - msnbc.com -
 
Just saw the video. Yep, the lady with the purse was the bravest person in the room, along with the board member that offered his life in exchange for the perp letting the others go. That woman and that board member are my heroes today. The "security guard" was unfortunately almost completely useless, not taking ANY action until the criminal took multiple shots at innocent people. EDIT: I think the security guard was trying to give the guy the benefit of the doubt, but you can't let a perp with a gun decide the outcome of this sort of situation. You have to assume the worst and take him down. It's always great when a guy has a "hunch" that a perp will not kill someone, and both the bad guy and the good guys all get away unharmed. But a "hunch" is not a predictor of the future, and this is a very good illustration of that. People would have been dead if the shooter had any skills.

If the woman or board members were armed, this guy could have been immediately taken down or might even have given up when facing several loaded guns. It was only pure luck and poor gun handling skills that saved the board members.
 
OK here goes. First off the board member that said to let everyone else go because he is the one that signed the papers and no one else.He did a very moral and brave thing.
Next up, the brave female board member that came back into the room at great peril to herself to save others... Her actions speak for themselves.
No what I take from this and there is a parallel in the Virginia Tech from a few yrs ago.
She distracted the gunman! Talk about the "wussification" of the American male!
I know I was not there and therefore I can not guarantee what I would have done. But damn! The guys just sat there like, dare I say sheep. There is a lady wrestling with probably a 300 pounder and everyone sits there? Forget that it would be in their best interest to do something! What about helping the poor woman.
As far as the VT incident. I was watching Dennis Miller on O'Reilly and he almost said what I was thinking as I watched.( near the time of the shooting at VT) He said that where there were a bunch of healthy males the only one that tried to stop the shooter was the old janitor that was a concentration camp survivor! Think he didn't survive. I was thinking with more than one person there. Collage age males, that more then one would rush the guy. Guess if it was me I would hope I was running at the guy when I got shot then closing my eyes waiting to be shot anyway. Miller got interrupted and never got the chance to elaborate on his point of view.
While I am at it. If it was Rush or Beck who said things about and pointed out a particular group of people that were the primary perpetrators of " man caused disasters " the media would be all over them along with politicians stating how they should be banned from radio and TV. Well the shooter in Florida posted on the internet that the media would paint him as the bad guy but that he was just born poor in a country where the RICH manipulate 95% of the people.
Now who has been demonizing the Rich and Successful in this country saying it was necessary to take more of their $$$$$$ in taxes in order to redistribute their wealth. ( using my words. They rarely mention that)
Think anyone in the media might make a connection other then those not on ABC, NBC, CBS and the other alphabet news..I use that word loosely?
Thanks. I feel a bit better now!:help:
 
CapGun said:
...the shooter in Florida posted on the internet that the media would paint him as the bad guy but that he was just born poor in a country where the RICH manipulate 95% of the people.
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Are YOU ALSO suggesting "current events" are more to blame for this than simply some nutjob going off the deep end and deciding to commmit a random act of violence?
 
So much for Gun Free Zones. I saw this on the news this morning and then listened to them talk about it on the radio driving to the office. I'm just glad he was a poor shot and didn't hit anyone.
 
Cocked _and_Locked said:
Are YOU ALSO suggesting "current events" are more to blame for this than simply some nutjob going off the deep end and deciding to commmit a random act of violence?
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That is not really my point or at least my main point.
As far as the "nut job" and his mind set, he stated what got him going. I am sure it is more complex and he probably couldn't account for all the things that made him act this out.
Now as far as current events. There are a lot out there that would easily attribute this sort of thing to anyone that is ..how can I be less political?
That is not your even tempered, middle of the road moderate at the very least, clear thinking or maybe someone that is not your left leaning "I know better then you" liberal progressive.In other words if there could be a remote connection to those that support the 2A or a Tea Party sympathizer or a conservative citizen or especially conservative talk show host, the main (LAME) stream media would make that connection endlessly for the next 3 news cycles!
I really don't think movies cause people to act out. I think they were already leaning in such a direction.
So I'll just leave it to others to decide if current events lead to this.
As for me I'll take the gunman's sentiments and just say, "sure looks that way!" :sarcastic:
ABSOLUTELY NOT more to blame! But may have contributed to his warped frustration.
 
Cocked _and_Locked said:
Lotsa things make people crazy. Just an excuse - and fodder for the misinformed to ply their opinions.
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I agree that most reasons are just that. EXCUSES> I hope you were not referring to me when you said misinformed. My point was not to analyze this twisted individual but to point out how everyone just sat there and left it up to..we'll call it fate. The other part was how in this case any reference to what the shooter posted will probably be totally overlooked given the possible parallels and conclusions that can be drawn.
Of course this proves "that only the police should have guns" ( sister in law viewpoint).
Again in real life this could not have happened. It is a "gun free zone"! Maybe WAS is a better term.
 
Anyone that believes politics or the economy is to blame or even a primary factor in this unfortunate incident is not only misinfromd, but downright delusional. I'm not saying that about anyone in particular, but I sensed the twist coming on.

That's the problem with letting things ** ANYTHING ** cloud your judgement. Get far enough off track and this type of stupid stuff happens.

Really sad. :no:
 
As soon as I saw this i just thought this is going to hurt the Pro-gun cause. This man was convicted felon with a mental history, which means there is a problem with our justice system, not the gun. He is also in a "gun free zone" (a school) and banked on no one else having a gun there. At 3:40 you can even hear him say about the security officer, "he probably doesn't even have a gun."

This is the full length video-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ga_noudWTIY&feature=player_embedded
 
There's a fine line between sane an insane, and the only people that have a paper that say their sane have been in a nut house. The Guard was not in the room someone had went to get him. Everyone was putting there fate in that Guard showing up in time to stop it. That lady probably saved there lives by slowing things down. It would have been a lot better if every one had a Gun.
 
I live in the area of this incident

I feel that if there was no ban on firearms in public buildings, that man would not have gotten off a single shot.
This is what happens when you restrict where law abiding people can carry. If that law enforcement officer had not been in the building, one or more of those board members would be dead.
If the right to carry for legal self defense was not restricted in government buildings, one of those board members may have been carrying a weapon and could have saved themselves.
Finally, if open carry was legal in Florida, and the right to carry in government buildings was legal, that man probably wouldn't have committed that crime at all.
Gun free zones only hurt people who abide by the law.
 
Look what he spray painted on the wall. It's the classic "V" symbol for a vendetta against someone. I think people are right, he wanted to die, but not in vain. He wanted to send a message- albeit a radical one- that he wasn't going to bend over for the liberal agenda anymore. I believe psychologically, he wanted to be the martyr that stirred the uprising. I'm guess his wife being fired had little to do with his actions.

Of course, I don't sanction his behavior (he probably had mental issues and prior criminal convictions), but perhaps his motive is something we should all think about. If it weren't for "gun free zones" this incident probably would not have happened.
 
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