Firearms training for beginners

[rudiepop]

Pal, you are going to find some very opinionated people at this site, me included, so if sound advice insults your intelligence ... then don't ask for it.

 

[FN1910]

Having done training on computers and other subjects, (the device may be different but the process is the same) for over 30 years I have learned a few things about who and how people need to be trained. First is the hardest people to train by far are your family and friends. Second is an informal training session does little actual good. What happens in both situations is you have no guidelines to what training you NEED to provided and if you do you seldom follow it. It is fine that you take someone our on the range to become familial with a gun if they have never used one. They need to follow up immediately with a formal class so that all the points that you missed can be covered. Otherwise you could wind up with someone who can hit the inner ring at 20 yards but no real idea of safety or the laws, worse yet a misunderstanding of them.

To provide proper training on anything requires not only a knowledge of what you are trying to get across but also what and how to train. Otherwise you wind up just covering what pops into your mind and answering questions from the student thus leaving out the majority of important things. They also wind up with a bunch of steps to follow with no understanding of why those steps are important or how to apply them in a different situation.

 

[Terminal Lance]

well I don't know, I learned safety and marksmanship from my dad growing up and then again in the USMC. NONE of which were "NRA certified Instructors" so i guess by your logic i should just put my guns in a safe and never touch them again until I go to one of the only surefire way of being safe and proficient firearm courses held by the NRA.. Please. I may be arrogant, comes with the territory of being right, but i surely am not wrong.
Semper Fi

 

[Irishcopper]

"A lady from my office and her family want to learn to shoot guns. Her husband has been a anti for years and is finally coming around that they are the devil and actually wants to own one for personal protection"

What I want to know is how did the devil get involved with this situation?

 

[Terminal Lance]

Ive been trained by my dad as well as The USMC school of infantry and two tours in iraq. I am anything but an idiot when it comes to this matter.

 

[Terminal Lance]

Oh and another thing. I dont know a single person among our hunt club that took a class by a certified teacher before they picked up a gun. They were taught by their parents and grand parents. Not a "certified" person trying to make a buck.

Yes some did take classes on more advanced material but that was after the fact when they started shooting for sport and defense.

Although terminal lance seems to be an idiot I am going to get some ammo and take my guns to the range.

Ive been trained by my dad as well as The USMC school of infantry and two tours in iraq. I am anything but an idiot when it comes to this matter.

 

[snatale42]

Thanks, but this is not what I was looking for. This is more of an insult to my intelligence.

How so? You asked a very basic question and got the correct answer. You not going to find much online because if schools or instructors put that stuff up for free they'd be unemployed. You can get plenty of free yet terrible training on Youtube

 

[Grognard Gunny]

Terminal (prophetic?) Lance: You sound very much like an adherent of the "SHEEEEEEET! Let's just grab some guns and ammo, go out on the back fourty and I'll learn ya everything you needs to shoot a gun!" school of marksmanship and gun safety.

In the same vein as one who would utter; "Everything Ah learnt, Ah learnt from myself!" (Simple case of zero multiplied by zero if you think about it.)

If there are more of you out there with the same frame of mind..... I can readily understand the source of most "accidental discharges/woundings/killings". .... and the old observation goes; "Any damn fool can pull a trigger!" You, sir, are apparent proof of the hypothesis.

Just sayin'.

GG

 

[Grognard Gunny]

Ive been trained by my dad as well as The USMC school of infantry and two tours in iraq. I am anything but an idiot when it comes to this matter.

I also am USMC "expert" qualified (repeatedly), range safety officer, in my time, .45 cal instructor, combat vet, too. Still, I would no more try to teach civilians shooting skills than the man in the moon. (I'm also a qualified 81mm gunner and a .50 cal gunner, of dubious use for concealed carry and self defence encounters. Thus moot.)

Be advised, young trooper, that rules of enguagement for troops and civvies are 180 out of sync. Best let those qualified in civvie shooting and tactics do the job here.

GG

 

[Grognard Gunny]

(Opens Envelope)

And the award for being even less civil than kelcarry goes to Terminal Lance. Please come up on stage and give a brief acceptance speach and pick up your CCW Badge on the table next to the podium.

LOL! "First I would like to thank all the little people who have made this possible! ............"

Ah Ha! That's right! We BAD! :no:

GG

 

[Terminal Lance]

Terminal (prophetic?) Lance: You sound very much like an adherent of the "SHEEEEEEET! Let's just grab some guns and ammo, go out on the back fourty and I'll learn ya everything you needs to shoot a gun!" school of marksmanship and gun safety.

In the same vein as one who would utter; "Everything Ah learnt, Ah learnt from myself!" (Simple case of zero multiplied by zero if you think about it.)

If there are more of you out there with the same frame of mind..... I can readily understand the source of most "accidental discharges/woundings/killings". .... and the old observation goes; "Any damn fool can pull a trigger!" You, sir, are apparent proof of the hypothesis.

Just sayin'.

GG

As disappointing as this may be to you, I am not one of those types. I was trained well by the United States Marine Corps about weapons safety and marksmanship. Also put them to use during countless training ops, as well as two combat tours to Iraq. So unfortunately I am not one of your "Back fourty" shooters. All I was suggesting way back when this post started was that a "NRA certified instructor" is not necessary for someone to lean these things. Sure I could have been more tactful in the way I expressed said reality, I surely didn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings.

 

[Terminal Lance]

didn't see that post right above my new one before i wrote my reply. However as stated, I was just arguing that a NRA certified instructor is not necessary. Also if you or I were to train someone Safety or how to shoot, doesn't mean that I would be preparing them for a trip to Afghanistan. I am not a licensed driving instructor but I can still teach my wife how to drive a stick shift because :GASP: I was taught how and can pass on that knowledge. I mean you were trained well especially if you were an RSO at some point. If you have kids are you going to teach them weapons safety and how to shoot, or are you going to send them to an NRA certified instructor..all im saying

 

[Treo]

I also am USMC "expert" qualified (repeatedly), range safety officer, in my time, .45 cal instructor, combat vet, too. Still, I would no more try to teach civilians shooting skills than the man in the moon. (I'm also a qualified 81mm gunner and a .50 cal gunner, of dubious use for concealed carry and self defence encounters. Thus moot.)

Be advised, young trooper, that rules of enguagement for troops and civvies are 180 out of sync. Best let those qualified in civvie shooting and tactics do the job here.

GG

IDK I always thought my expert Field Artillery ant ladder was very usefull in the civilian world

 

[Grognard Gunny]

TL: I would send them to a certified instructor. Preferably a "hard and surly one". Good ol' Dad might not have the level of AWE necessary to instill the proper level of "responsibility" associated with firearm use, safety and discretion.

Aside from that, the military is "taught" weapons use in rather a "Kill 'em all and let Allah sort them out!" fashion. Civilian weapons use is a bit different. ROE of an entirely different level.

At least that is my semi-pro opinion of the matter.

GG

 

[Grognard Gunny]

IDK I always thought my expert Field Artillery ant ladder was very usefull in the civilian world

But first we would have to "capture" the "piece" and some ammo to make use of it. (Unless you happen to have one sandbagged in your secret armory, waiting for the revolution. LOL!) (If so, I want to be in your militia! LOL!)

GG

 

[Grognard Gunny]

Bye the way, Lance, your analogy of "teaching someone to drive" doesn't hold much creditability considering the proliferation of non well trained drivers one tries to avoid being killed by on the roads these days. LOL!

For another "reason" why I don't teach things any longer, even if I feel qualified to do so...... I have very little patience with "slow learners". I stopped teaching at our local Comm College for just that reason. I didn't really need the money and my frustration at trying to beat some "learnin'" into some of those "ticket punchers" got to be a little more than I was willing to put up with.

A personal character fault I try to keep under control. I find, as I get older, my patience level lowers as I go along. Maybe it's because I see others trying to make some of the same mistakes I have made along the way. (Maybe that's why oldsters are always trying to give advice, to keep the youngsters from making the same, costly errors. Not that they listen at all! LOL!)

GG