Firearm Accident
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missoak
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Didn't shoot anyone but, some time ago I was at my cabin deer hunting. Whenever I came back to the cabin I would make my rifle safe by dropping the mag, rack the bolt to clear the chamber & then dry fire it.
This one time I was there alone, ( thank god no one was there to harass me), I racked the bolt & dry fired it. Or so I thought, I forgot to drop the mag. That 30-06 went through a night stand, a wall, a door & finally out the outside wall. Never before, never again. Hey, ****** can & does happen.
This one time I was there alone, ( thank god no one was there to harass me), I racked the bolt & dry fired it. Or so I thought, I forgot to drop the mag. That 30-06 went through a night stand, a wall, a door & finally out the outside wall. Never before, never again. Hey, ****** can & does happen.
Had an AD just once after too much to drink. I was letting the hammer down on my 30-30. The spring was very strong and my coordination impaired. If the muzzle had be one more inch to the left and closer to my leg, I would have been missing some toes. That was the last time I ever touched any firearm after drinking, and I do mean even just one drink. So I can tell you from experience, drinking and guns don't mix, ever.
Bttbbob
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There are very limited AD's, the actual term is Negligent discharge...The difference being, accidental is when something is wrong with the gun and goes off when you are not expecting it....Example, a sear failing on a semi-auto. Negligent Discharges are when you don't follow the basic safety rules.
Jarhead6541
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A few years back, in my area, the beer distributors were selling cases of beer [believe it was Strohs] in 30 pack and they were calling it the hunters special.
Wouldn't want to brave the elements without that extra six-pack to warm yourself up now would ya.
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dstryr
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Once, when I was about 15 or 16 years old, a buddy and me were going out to shoot in the pasture with my grandfather's old 12ga single shot. It was loaded, safety off, and I was just getting ready to shoulder it with my finger just touching the trigger, almost laying on the side of the trigger. Gun went off as I was bringing up past my hip and the shot hit the dirt about 10' in front of us.
Cocked the gun and touched the trigger on the spent round and it went click again. That was probably 1983 or so, the gun hasn't been fired since.
Cocked the gun and touched the trigger on the spent round and it went click again. That was probably 1983 or so, the gun hasn't been fired since.
I suppose this incident would fall under the "accidental discharge" rather than a ND. About 15 yrs. ago I was at the range with my Colt Combat Commander. I had been reloading for many years. I had a 200 gr very hard cast lead semi wad cutter that had a high primer. I was at the bench and the gun didn't fire when that round was chambered. I waited a good 30 seconds after cocking the hammer and pulling the trigger a 2nd time.
With the gun pointed downrange, and there was no one else there but me, I dropped the mag and attempted to eject the round. The slide was stuck. I kept it pointed downrange and forced the slide back as hard as I could and "bang". The round fired.
I think what happened was the high primer hit the breech face when I jammed it back, and struck the primer hard enough to make it go off. My hand was of course over the ejection port and a piece of brass cut me through my shooting glove, but thankfully, no damage was done.
I always checked all my reloads for high primers after that, and have never had another problem like that.
As always, stay safe.
With the gun pointed downrange, and there was no one else there but me, I dropped the mag and attempted to eject the round. The slide was stuck. I kept it pointed downrange and forced the slide back as hard as I could and "bang". The round fired.
I think what happened was the high primer hit the breech face when I jammed it back, and struck the primer hard enough to make it go off. My hand was of course over the ejection port and a piece of brass cut me through my shooting glove, but thankfully, no damage was done.
I always checked all my reloads for high primers after that, and have never had another problem like that.
As always, stay safe.
I respectfully disagree, as to my previous post. I feel it was "accidental" not "negligent". My finger was not in the trigger guard, the gun was pointing downrange. I knew there was a loaded round that refused to fire after 2 attempts to do so. I had the grip in my off hand, and with my stronger right hand, grasping the slide, I slammed it back hard to eject the round. It went off due to a high primer, not stupidity, nor negligence on my part. You may be a firearms instructor, but I have been safely handling and shooting for over 40 yrs.
It was not a gun/equipment problem, it was a defective round problem. I handled in as safe a manor as possible.
We can both disagree with one another till the cows come home, but this was not negligent.
As always, stay safe.
apvbguy
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dogshawred
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I personally have never discharged my weapon in any manner that was not intentional.
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On the other hand I have a brother-in-law who has had 4 ND's that I have witnessed.
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The kicker, he was a Deputy Sheriff (Sargent) and still couldn't handle a weapon properly.
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I am of the view that unless the weapon is at fault (broken/malfunctioning) the shooter is at fault. After all that is our point about guns isn't it, they don't shoot by themselves, it takes a person to initiate the discharge (pull the trigger).
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On the other hand I have a brother-in-law who has had 4 ND's that I have witnessed.
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The kicker, he was a Deputy Sheriff (Sargent) and still couldn't handle a weapon properly.
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I am of the view that unless the weapon is at fault (broken/malfunctioning) the shooter is at fault. After all that is our point about guns isn't it, they don't shoot by themselves, it takes a person to initiate the discharge (pull the trigger).
My husband and I were at the range a few months back, and there was a guy (early 20's) that was learning about fully auto guns. He had an instructor from the range with him. He was in the stall next to us and put his finger on the trigger as he picked up the gun...he sprayed the ceiling, far wall, etc. he panicked when it went off and wasn't paying attention to the gun, but rather looking BACKWARDS at the instructor like "what do I do??" Let's just say we cut our visit short for the day.
BC1
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Your position is not very widely supported by the instructor community. Think back to your training... what are you required to do when you pull the trigger and the round doesn't fire? Well you don't pull the trigger again. You maintain a downrange direction for 30 seconds and then remove the misfired round, depositing it in a safe-box. What else went wrong? Don't put the gun in your "off" hand. maintain the proper grip on the weapon during unloading. Yes, I may be an instructor, but you're actions in firing a second time go against everything taught in basic safety 101. Most certainly goes against the curriculum for NRA First Steps Pistol and NRA Basic Pistol. The gun didn't "go off." It fired as a result of your handling. There are proper procedures for handling defective rounds. And the first one is not pulling the trigger on a defective round a second time. I think your 40 year safety streak is over. Had you done this in class you have been dismissed immediately. No disrespect intended. It can happen to anyone.
BC1
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Dropping the weapon would be considered negligent by a lot of people. I've dropped mine a couple times myself. It was absolutely my fault and was quite negligent of me.
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I'm curious, what kind of gun was it? Some, like Glocks, don't tension the striker spring until the trigger is pulled so they won't fire. But it sure gave me the willies when I dropped-it. Later I thought damn, what if it was a different gun, discharged and hit someone. I'd be in a world of trouble.
Didn't even know you had to go to the bathroom did ya?
ssgsimon
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When I was in AIT at Ft Benning, I was on the firing line with a 240B machine gun. I had a round that failed to fire and jammed the gun. My drill sergeant walked up and opened the upper receiver and boom, that round cooked off in our faces. I was wearing safety glasses he had taken his off to see better. Which earned him a trip to the hospital and a eye patch for a week or so.
wolf_fire
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Personally, I don't call any unintentional discharge that was my fault "accidental". To me, it is always negligent. If you follow the four rules of safe gun handling then there is no way for negligent discharge to happen.
I saw the same youtube video. If one is too lazy to move their clothing out of the way when holstering their weapon, then this is exactly what can happen.
To answer your question... no I have never had a 'negligent' discharge. I've known several people to have them. Each and every time it was avoidable.
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