Feds MISSED Platt 40x, from 15 ft and less

[hotti]

and got 9 or so (pretty worthless) hits, thru his foot, etc. So they blamed it all on the "inadequate penetration" of a 9mm silvertip! Platt had a mini-14 and ONE ARM, his other arm having been ruined by that 9mm hit. Yet he took-on 8 Feds, killed 2 and wounded 5 more,got his wounded buddy Matix into the COP'S car, and was attmepting to drive away (bled out, and unarmed) when a Fed staggered up, and fired 3 rds into his head, and 3 MORE at Matix, who had not been in the fight for about 3 minutes! If you or I had done THAT, we'd be serving life sentences!

So the Feds spent a millon of our tax $ and determined that no handgun jhp load, which is controlable in a ccw type pistol, penetrates cars very well and then still hits very hard on a man. Gee, I knew THAT much at age 17, from shooting up cars with a .45, leaving sacks of sawdust in the front seat.

The only realistic answer is to load every other rd in your magazine a 'piercer", and then a GOOD "expander", and fire lots of rds, carefully and swiftly. Since civilians can rarely justify shooting thru anything at an attacker, this entire "FBI" protocol" shooting jellow, clothing, metal, glass, etc, is just baloney for our needs. it doesn't amount to much for the cops, either, really. But many on these forums and writing "training" books, making videos, etc, swear by this protocol. Well, it's based upon bs assumptions.

 

[Bighouse Doc]

I read the forensic report on this incident. This included autopsy material and was extremely detailed.

The one round that should have terminated the event did stop just shy of shutting down the perp.

The agents shooting was excellent in this matter.

These people just did not want to stop. They didn't stop until life was no longer possible.

-Doc

 

[Samuel]

Can someone provide a link of this report?

 

[Bighouse Doc]

You can purchase this book from Amazon.

The title is: Forensic Analysis Of The April 11, 1986, FBI Firefight

Be warned, it is very graphic.

-Doc

 

[cmhbob]

Your numbers are off, Hotti. Matix and Platt were hit a total of 18 times, not 9. 145 rounds fired by 10 people. Whoops, nine. Agent Richard Manauzzi lost control of his weapon in the initial collision and did not fire at all.

And Mireles, the agent who "staggered up," had been been hit in the left arm by a .223 round. He fired his 12-gauge dry using one arm. When he approached the car with his .357, he had .38+P ammo in it. He fired 6 rounds. #1 missed everyone and hit the back seat. #2 hit the A pillar on the driver's side and fragmented. #3, 4 and 5 hit Matix in and about the face. #6 was fired at and hit Platt. That's not bad shooting for being wounded and firing one-handed on the move.

The shootout is a huge tactical training tool, covering everything from proper preparation (no body armor, poor communication, etc), to making sure your attacker is out of the fight. Neither Platt nor Matix had any chemicals in their bloodstream. They had simply decided they weren't going to give up, and kept fighting until their bodies wouldn't let them.

 

[Samuel]

You can purchase this book from Amazon.

The title is: Forensic Analysis Of The April 11, 1986, FBI Firefight

Be warned, it is very graphic.

-Doc

Thanks, now I know where this came from - I was kind of lost where this posting all began. I have not read this in quite a while. Now, I'm going to download it on my ebook reader.

 

[hotti]

that agent who hit Platt in the arm MISSED him another 14 tims, so HOW was the one LUCK hit to the arm "excellent shooting? It was nothing more than a lucky fluke. It was obtained as Platt crawled out of the car's window, the door having been jammed shut by impact when the Feds ran Matix off of the road. So the cop was NOT 'under fire" as he got SEVERAL shots at Platt, and missed hiim repeatedly, gettig the lone, lucky hit to his arm.

 

[hotti]

Platt was NOT SERIOUSLY hit, other than the 1 lung hit, until the cops had fired at him like 50 times, he was unarmed and bled out and a wounded fed FINALLY staggered up to Platt (, bled out, unarmed, and trying to drive off in the COP'S car, and fired 3 rds at Platt's head, from 3-6 ft away, thru the car's glass.

 

[SGB]

We're you been since 1986? Moms basement?

 

[cmhbob]

Platt was NOT SERIOUSLY hit, other than the 1 lung hit, until the cops had fired at him like 50 times, he was unarmed and bled out and a wounded fed FINALLY staggered up to Platt (, bled out, unarmed, and trying to drive off in the COP'S car, and fired 3 rds at Platt's head, from 3-6 ft away, thru the car's glass.

Oh, I'm sorry. we must be talking about two completely different FBI shootouts. The one I'm talking about is well documented in a variety of places using many sources.

The one you're talking about must exist only in your head, because the last few rounds were not fired at Platt's head.

Why aren't you bitching about Matix and Platt's shooting? Platt fired three times at Mireles from less than 20 feet away, and missed all three times.

My point is that in any gunfight, anyone can keep fighting as long as they decide to and their bodies allow them to. That's what allowed Platt to continue to function as long as he did.

 

[S&W645]

Oh, I'm sorry. we must be talking about two completely different FBI shootouts. The one I'm talking about is well documented in a variety of places using many sources.

The one you're talking about must exist only in your head, because the last few rounds were not fired at Platt's head.

Why aren't you bitching about Matix and Platt's shooting? Platt fired three times at Mireles from less than 20 feet away, and missed all three times.

My point is that in any gunfight, anyone can keep fighting as long as they decide to and their bodies allow them to. That's what allowed Platt to continue to function as long as he did.

As they say, "It's not the size of the dog in the fight. It's the size of the fight in the dog." Wounded and still fighting showed that for the agents.