Federal CWP
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Currently there is no such thing as a federal concealed weapons permit. There has been several attempts at a national reciprocity bill but these have all failed. This rumor has come up before with the usual "my friend at work told me about it" statement. Sometimes an FFL is confused for a CWP, however, they are completely different.
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The last thng any of us want is a fedral CCw permit, or really, even federally recognized reciprocity. The stae government, or in most cases, the county sheriff(as in NC) currently issue ccw permits. If the feds stick their nose in it, you may wind up with "may issue", instead of "shall issue". Ask anyone who lives in a "may issue state if they think it is a good idea.
Fedral reciprocity will almost certqinly come at the cost of a fedrally recognized training class, and fedrally licensed instructors. You do not want that. No one really knows what would be attached, such as caliber restrictions, magazine capacity limits, proficiency tests, (probably the only good thing to come of it), and twice a year requalifying, continueing education, etc,etc,etc.
It is like a fedral ID system. It sounds good. It would stop illegals from getting a job, sometimes, but isn't a SSn a fedral ID? SSns haven't stopped illegal imigration nor identity theft, they have onlt faciliated it. As well as making illegal fedral taxation very easy for the government.
Fedral reciprocity will almost certqinly come at the cost of a fedrally recognized training class, and fedrally licensed instructors. You do not want that. No one really knows what would be attached, such as caliber restrictions, magazine capacity limits, proficiency tests, (probably the only good thing to come of it), and twice a year requalifying, continueing education, etc,etc,etc.
It is like a fedral ID system. It sounds good. It would stop illegals from getting a job, sometimes, but isn't a SSn a fedral ID? SSns haven't stopped illegal imigration nor identity theft, they have onlt faciliated it. As well as making illegal fedral taxation very easy for the government.
tattedupboy
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I don't know where you got your information, but there currently is no such thing. The only people who can carry anywhere in the U.S. are current and retired law enforcement officers certified by their agencies.
Big Gay Al
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Don't forget the crooks. They carry anywhere they want to, also. Of course, if they get caught, then bad things are likely to happen.
Big Gay Al
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I seriously doubt that. Not if it's handled correctly. The last federal reciprocity attempt merely stated that all states should recognize other states' permits. And I think there was some provision for working Wisconsin and Illinois into the system, even though they don't issue permits, nor do they allow lawful concealed carry.
Unfortunately, that law didn't get very far.
LVLouisCyphre
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The only federal CCW is LEOSA/HR218. The best I would like to see is an extension of the FOPA where you can CCW passing through a State if you're legal to CCW at your points of origin and destination.
If the feds get involved much more than that, it'll get ugly quick with an anti-RKBA President and Congress.
If the feds get involved much more than that, it'll get ugly quick with an anti-RKBA President and Congress.
Canis just info but HR 218 changed laws to allow all "certified" LEO's (active or retired) to carry nationwide. Here's a brief description:
H.R. 218 amends Chapter 44, Title 18 of the United States Code (“Firearms”). Also known as the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004, H.R. 218 exempts current and retired law enforcement officers from state laws prohibiting them from carrying concealed firearms (other than machine guns, silencers, or other destructive devices).
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Not really a federal CWP, they only carry their police identification with them. The bill exempts them from state, and U.S. possessions, laws forbidding the carrying of a firearm. Also, just bcause you get hired by a local sheriff's office, or police department, doesn't automatically qualify you for this exemption. Officers must be Peace Officer Standards and Training (P.O.S.T.) certified.
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boyzoi
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Dont feel bad C L...... I was told as late as 2006 by some LEO (K-9) that they were prohibited.
it seems the bills passage hadnt made it around the country by then.
it seems the bills passage hadnt made it around the country by then.
Steelhorse
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Not exactly
LEOSA's legislative intent was to allow current and retired LEOs the means to protect themselves from criminal elements, due to their occupational exposure to the same.
If you read the actual federal law, there is nothing therein contained about active LEO's having to be working. There is nothing within LEOSA that stipulates that a retired LEO cannot work in a capacity that requires the carrying of a firearm, when they carry.
I suspect that you may be looking at a number of state laws that do not affect the federal legislation. But those covered under LEOSA must also comply with state laws not addressed within the federal law.
However, don't spend another 3 hours looking at some mindless person's interpretation of LEOSA, or even my take on it. ATF has some strange ideas that significantly differ from the text of the law as signed by the President as well. Go the the source and read the actual law for yourself.
LEOSA's legislative intent was to allow current and retired LEOs the means to protect themselves from criminal elements, due to their occupational exposure to the same.
If you read the actual federal law, there is nothing therein contained about active LEO's having to be working. There is nothing within LEOSA that stipulates that a retired LEO cannot work in a capacity that requires the carrying of a firearm, when they carry.
I suspect that you may be looking at a number of state laws that do not affect the federal legislation. But those covered under LEOSA must also comply with state laws not addressed within the federal law.
However, don't spend another 3 hours looking at some mindless person's interpretation of LEOSA, or even my take on it. ATF has some strange ideas that significantly differ from the text of the law as signed by the President as well. Go the the source and read the actual law for yourself.
harvey13118
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I could be wrong here but I believe New York City does not allow any police, anyway shape or form to carry unless they have a NYC permit OR are on official business.
Can not remember where I read that. But it seems to be consistant with most I have heard about the place.
You have to be politically connected to get a NYC permit. Most know that some of the most anti-gun politicans are the few to get permits. GO FIGURE!
Can not remember where I read that. But it seems to be consistant with most I have heard about the place.
You have to be politically connected to get a NYC permit. Most know that some of the most anti-gun politicans are the few to get permits. GO FIGURE!
I see a lawsuit because that was the whole purpose of HB 218, to over ride any city, state or U.S. territory laws banning concealed carry, so long as the officer is certified.
PRHI, like PRNYC requires a permit to CC. LEOSA qualified individuals need to apply for a permit at the appropriate police station and get a permit over the counter provided that their documents are in order and information is verifiable. I've seen it take a couple of days for applications to be approved pending approval from the appropriate LE agency.
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HK4U
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We had that problem here in Texas a few years back when NYPD would not allow officers to carry while up there. I think we returned the favor, which made a few NY cops mad when they tried to carry down here. Oh well what goes round comes round.
Dewhitewolf
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That's the way it should be. As far as I'm concerned, if NYC officers try to carry anywhere outside NYC, arrest and prosecute them. Like you said, what goes around, comes around.
After reviewing LEOSA, I have noticed a few requirements for it to be applicable:
--for current LEO's they may carry state to state, but they MUST have their police identification with them while carrying;
--for retired LEO's, they must have been LEO's for 15 years, must have been authorized to carry during that time, must have had power of arrest all that time, must have an identification card issued by their previously employing department, and must be "certified" by their previously employing police department.
--Also for retired LEO's, the identification/certification is not a one-time, permanent thing. They must requalify at least once every 12 months. This they must do at their own expense, as there is no provision for federal funds to cover this cost.
--in either case, out-of-state LEO's and retired LEO's may only carry where it is legal to do so under state law; LEOSA does not preempt laws that prohibit carrying in certain places, such as courthouses, certain government properties, and private properties that refuse weapons on the premises.
Steelhorse
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Sorry I haven't addressed this post earlier. Work has been hectic lately.
NYC cannot preempt federal law, period. NYC may think they can, but I'm assured that the supremacy clause within COTUS neuters NY's piddly dink laws.
However, NYC cops have been, in fact, detaining armed non juris LEOs/RLEOs to verify their credentials. This practice has been documented publicly by the FOP, as well as the NRA.
Steelhorse
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Good post. This is an accurate summary of LEOSA.
However, I'd like to add that even if some departments of a retired LEO refuses to annually firearm qualify him/her, all a retired LEO need to do is find a department that will qualify him/her within the state of his or her residence.
This is good news for retired cops who move out of state, as well as the Chicago cops which CPD refuses to help out; as all they need is find some department within Illinois to qualify them.
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