Fed judge upholds Cali micro stamping requirement...

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According to the judge,

The law barring sales of handguns without the microstamping technology doesn’t violate the Constitution’s Second Amendment because gun owners don’t have a right to buy specific types of firearms, U.S. District Judge Kimberly Mueller in Sacramento said in her ruling.

“Plaintiffs insist they have the right to determine the precise way in which they would exercise their Second Amendment rights,” Mueller said. The insistence upon particular handguns falls “outside the scope of the right to bear arms,” she said.
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. California Cartridge-Microstamp Law Upheld in Gun Group Loss - Bloomberg Business

Just making it up as they go.
 
Gun owners don`t have the right to buy specific types of firearms. SAYS WHO ?. I have the right to buy and own any type of firearm I want, up to and including full auto if I so choose to go through all of the bullschit to buy one, and no judge is going to tell me otherwise. But I guess the peoples communist party of komiefornia feel they can tell you what you can and can`t own when it comes to owning guns.
I am so glad I no longer live in komiefornia were my rights mean nothing, and you are told what you can and can`t do every day.
I now live in Idaho, were you can own any type of gun you want, from full auto to silencers and anything in between. I could put an anti aircraft gun in my front yard and it would be legal.
The funny thing is, is that I have a cousin that lives in komiefornia, and he asks me every so often if I would ever move back to komiefornia, and my answer is the same every time, HELL NO.
 
That judge is cut from the same cloth as the one on the other left coast who claimed that AR-15 pattern rifles are not in common use.

But it's been established that the govt can tell us what we must buy (obummercare) and what we can't ( incandescent light bulbs, CFCs, high pressure shower heads..........)
 
So then a state law banning Catholicism... or Islam would be constitutional because you have "freedom of religion"... but not "freedom" of any SPECIFIC religion?

Using the court's "logic", you have "freedom of religion" so long as the state allows you a choice between Scientology and Zoroastrianism...
 
Gun control at it's finest. The courts no longer rule on the order of law. It's more about politics. No crime will ever be prevented with micro stamping. Elite progressive liberals are so much smarter then the rest of us. They have such big hearts and good intention. The serfs need to roll over and take it. :sarcastic:
 
Deanimator said:
So then a state law banning Catholicism... or Islam would be constitutional because you have "freedom of religion"... but not "freedom" of any SPECIFIC religion?

Using the court's "logic", you have "freedom of religion" so long as the state allows you a choice between Scientology and Zoroastrianism...
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The fed is already working on that by redifining the First Amendment right to freedom of religion as the freedom to worship. This has been codified in the religious waiver contained in obamacare that states that you can receive a waiver from obamacare on religious grounds only as long as the beliefs you hold line up with the historic teachings of the recognized denomination or sect to which you belong. That teaching must specifically address the belief that having insurance is wrong. Since only a few religions teach this, the majority of citizens will not qualify for the waiver. They are working to remove freedom of the individal conscience, reinterpreting our freedoms as general, societal freedoms rather than individual freedoms as has been the historic understanding. This applies to freedom of religion, speech, and the right to keep and bear arms. Socialism.
 
Guess who appointed this idiot to that court. Yep, you guessed it, BH0. The one saving grace, she is in the District that is most overturned by the SCOTUS.
 
S&W645 said:
Guess who appointed this idiot to that court. Yep, you guessed it, BH0. The one saving grace, she is in the District that is most overturned by the SCOTUS.
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Yup. Now Obummer is also threatening executive action banning certain ammo. Again it exceeds his constitutional authority and violates federal commerce laws. Gandhi beat England through non-compliance. Americans must refuse to comply with any executive order. He couldn't prosecute anyone for violating a law enacted without constitutional authority.
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According to their logic the flintlock pistol is the only thing protected by the second amendment. Thus the first amendment must now be relegated to only the speech written with the feather pen.
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I want out of this piss-hole called America. My father didn't fight for THIS country. He fought for a country that had pride, exceptionalism and greatness. Imagine all those who gave their life so this pondscum could make his own laws?
 
BC1 said:
Yup. Now Obummer is also threatening executive action banning certain ammo. Again it exceeds his constitutional authority and violates federal commerce laws. Gandhi beat England through non-compliance. Americans must refuse to comply with any executive order. He couldn't prosecute anyone for violating a law enacted without constitutional authority.
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According to their logic the flintlock pistol is the only thing protected by the second amendment. Thus the first amendment must now be relegated to only the speech written with the feather pen.
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Tell this to the New Jersey gentleman who was arrested for having a flintlock pistol in his car. Apparently the 2A doesn't cover them either. Cooler heads did prevail and the charges have been dropped.
 
Smith & Wesson and Ruger & Co announced last year that they would no longer sell new guns to California. Does anyone know of a manufacture that has made a gun with this technology?
 
1-LM said:
Smith & Wesson and Ruger & Co announced last year that they would no longer sell new guns to California. Does anyone know of a manufacture that has made a gun with this technology?
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Ok - S&W said they won't sell in Cali any more, but they didn't say that until AFTER they inked the single largest law enforcement contract in their history for some 13,000 M&Ps to LA County Sheriff Dept over 5 years.
 
ezkl2230 said:
Ok - S&W said they won't sell in Cali any more, but they didn't say that until AFTER they inked the single largest contract in their history for some 13,000 M&Ps to LA County Sheriff Dept over 5 years.
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Will any of the guns sold by S&W have the Micro technology?
 
There is not a single firearm with microstamping on the market at this moment. The CA handgun roster is dropping more and more firearms as they are not getting re-certified. Note that in addition to Ruger and S&W, Glock stopped submitting new models to the CA handgun roster years ago, as the certification process involves costs. Gen 4 Glocks, as well as, the .380 ACP Glock 42 and Glocks made in the USA are not available in CA. As far as I know, the microstamping law only affects semi-autos.

As for revolvers, CA has also its own view on those that can chamber the .410 shotshell and classifies them, in contrast to federal law, as short-barreled shotguns.
 
Thank you bofh, I also found this that explains the S&W deal

http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson2/upload/other/MSMicroSFinal.pdf

"Smith & Wesson currently produces a California-compliant version of its M&P® Shield and SDVE™ pistols. Both of these new products were launched last week at SHOT Show® in Las Vegas and are expected to begin shipping within 90 days. They are expected to more than offset the impact of those M&P pistol models that will not remain on the Roster. Both the M&P Shield and the SDVE pistols are expected to remain on the California Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale as long as no changes are made to those models and the company does not plan to make changes to them for this reason. All other Smith & Wesson handguns are at risk of eventually falling off the roster over time. The company expects that any current production revolvers that fall off will be re-tested and returned to the roster, since microstamping does not apply to revolvers. Without some change in position by California, however, any semi-automatic pistols (other than the California-compliant models referenced above) that are removed from the roster will not be returned and law-abiding citizens will not be permitted to buy them from a licensed dealer in California".
 
If there is a Civil war we will not be able to defend ourselves. It's more than just taking certain guns and ammo away. This is agenda for something bigger. What Say you?

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1-LM said:
Smith & Wesson and Ruger & Co announced last year that they would no longer sell new guns to California. Does anyone know of a manufacture that has made a gun with this technology?
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I believe that's exactly what the intent of the law is. When NYS was bouncing this around the manufacturers said they would stop selling guns in NYS. I fully support them. Don't sell these states a single gun. That will make their micro-stamp laws moot. The only people with a gun will still be criminals and there won't be any micro-stamped shells at crime scenes.
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They must also refuse to sell to LEO. And other companies should get on board and refuse to sell vests, belts, holsters, etc. Simply lay siege to the state LE as punishment. Let them call Barry for help.
 
arikk said:
If there is a Civil war we will not be able to defend ourselves. It's more than just taking certain guns and ammo away. This is agenda for something bigger. What Say you?

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UN Agenda 21.
 
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