JamieLampert
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I'm Ma you need a permit but once you have it all you have to do is go pick out what you want and buy it. No more waiting
FBI NICS denied my pistol
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The punctuation is correct. In this case, the question mark does go outside the closing quotation mark.
If the quote itself is a question, then the question mark goes inside the closing quotation mark: He asked, "What time is it?"
But: Is he what is called a "troll"?
Still a troll, with alarmist nonsense about non-issues. The racial makeup of California counties does not prove causation regarding denial of permits. And now it's California? Last week it was racist plots in North Carolina, and before that racist plots in Alabama, all with no proof whatsoever cited.
NavyLT: I agree that grammar, spelling, and punctuation are important. Unfortunately, our schools no longer teach much along those lines. See the "comments" section of most online news articles for the evidence.
If the quote itself is a question, then the question mark goes inside the closing quotation mark: He asked, "What time is it?"
But: Is he what is called a "troll"?
Still a troll, with alarmist nonsense about non-issues. The racial makeup of California counties does not prove causation regarding denial of permits. And now it's California? Last week it was racist plots in North Carolina, and before that racist plots in Alabama, all with no proof whatsoever cited.
NavyLT: I agree that grammar, spelling, and punctuation are important. Unfortunately, our schools no longer teach much along those lines. See the "comments" section of most online news articles for the evidence.
BIGJOHN621
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Actually, New York is county by county. According to the NY State Police and Atty. Gen. websites, issuing authorities (judge or sheriff) have the right to restrict permits. If caught carrying outside of restrictions, it is not a violation (minor offense) that carries any charge but is a referral to the issuing officer for possible suspension or revocation action of the permit. I am in Westchester so it is not east to get any permit, never mind unrestricted.
As for purchasing a new gun, it must be "added" to your permit before you take possession. This requires you to purchase the weapon, have it stored at your dealer, and petition the issuing officer (County PD and Court in my case) to amend your permit and allow you to purchase the gun. This process takes only days in the upstate counties but more than 6 months here in the southern counties. Also, if you own more than 3 handguns, the WCPD will visit your home to make sure you have secure storage (a safe) before allowing the issuance and permission to buy another handgun. If you own more than 5, the judge will send a letter asking for justification for the quantity of weapons you own. Also, in the southern counties, permits are not issued for life, but for 5 years at a time.
They don't make it easy but the enforcement of the rules is fair, I must say. I don't agree with the rules, but that is another issue. We are told what the rules are, and if they are followed, the authorities involved do as they promise and do not add in last minute changes in order to obfuscate. They have always been professional, which, I guess, is all we can ask here.
At least I'm not in New Jersey.
As for purchasing a new gun, it must be "added" to your permit before you take possession. This requires you to purchase the weapon, have it stored at your dealer, and petition the issuing officer (County PD and Court in my case) to amend your permit and allow you to purchase the gun. This process takes only days in the upstate counties but more than 6 months here in the southern counties. Also, if you own more than 3 handguns, the WCPD will visit your home to make sure you have secure storage (a safe) before allowing the issuance and permission to buy another handgun. If you own more than 5, the judge will send a letter asking for justification for the quantity of weapons you own. Also, in the southern counties, permits are not issued for life, but for 5 years at a time.
They don't make it easy but the enforcement of the rules is fair, I must say. I don't agree with the rules, but that is another issue. We are told what the rules are, and if they are followed, the authorities involved do as they promise and do not add in last minute changes in order to obfuscate. They have always been professional, which, I guess, is all we can ask here.
At least I'm not in New Jersey.
snatale42
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That's all you can ask? How about asking for your American Rights? NY is the way it is because the people ALLOWED it to happen, plain and simple. There was a time where NY,NJ,MA,CA were no different than any other free state. MANY state have tried something stupid with there gun laws at some point. The difference is people push back (while they still can) and do something about it before it's too late.
And what "American rights" do you think the NYS laws violate? NYS is a shall issue state for home defense. Yes it is possible that a particular issuing officer might refuse to issue a pistol permit for a reason that does not pass muster under the Constitution, but the law is facially valid, it's improper application by a particular issuing officer gets resolved by court action.
I'm working, like many others, to expand the rights of New Yorkers to own firearms. To accomplish that, we have to be able to distinguished between what laws are constitutionally valid and what laws need to be changed by the political process instead of court challenge. Not knowing the difference is a waste of effort.
Jumping up and down and screaming about "American rights" that don't exist will not aid that effort.
We can be smart and get something accomplished, or we can be ignorant and make a lot of noise.
snatale42
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Sorry, Constitutional Rights, and I'm pretty sure that restricting people to home defense is why "Shall not be infringed" was put in there. As far as "making a lot of noise", Don't knock it. Making noise can accomplish a lot as long as the points are valid. Politely asking does nothing in a commie state. I'm from one, I know.
Timothy Sullivan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
One of the ways he enabled the activities of criminal street gangs was to start the NY State Pistol Permit System which effectively made self defense by use of a handgun by their victims a crime. But, of course, the NY Pistol Permit System is completely Constitutional, right nogods?
Thank you navy.... Many years ago the American Rifleman did quite an article on him which was extensive to say the least. According to this article, the good mr. sullivan used his namesake act to control who got permits and who did not...cronies received them, the others, too bad.
What in the world is a "shall issue state for home defense"?
"Shall issue" refers universally to concealed carry permits, not a handgun you can own but can't carry.
My brother-in-law lives in Queens. Just to purchase a handgun, he has to (1) jump through hoops, (2) pay hundreds of dollars in fees; (3) produce references, including one who'll sign a paper promising that if my brother-in-law dies, the reference will immediately scoot to the police station and inform the officers that a dead man's gun needs to be confiscated; (4) wait several months; and then (5) pay a couple of hundred dollars in fees every year he owns the gun. That qualifies as "shall issue"?
And all this allows him only to keep the gun in his apartment. After all the fees and background checks and BS forms, he still can't possess that firearm anywhere but there. So even with possession of illegal guns rampant among street criminals, my brother-in-law as a law-abiding Air Force veteran cannot carry for self-defense.
Somehow I don't think that's what Jefferson, Franklin, Adams, Hamilton, et alia had in mind. In fact, I'd say that the prohibitive fees alone constitute a violation of the Second Amendment.
c45man: Yes, the Sullivan Law applies only in New York City. In fact, when I was a kid, you would read about the Sullivan Law more in connection with knives. Remember that in "West Side Story," the (highly romanticized) gangs carried knives, not guns. That was representative of the time (1961); the gangs of today are more technologically advanced.
Note that gun-hating New York Senator Charles Schumer has a CCW permit, as do a bunch of celebrities, rich people, anti-gun newspaper editors, and people with political connections. Is that "equal protection of the laws"?
"Shall issue" refers universally to concealed carry permits, not a handgun you can own but can't carry.
My brother-in-law lives in Queens. Just to purchase a handgun, he has to (1) jump through hoops, (2) pay hundreds of dollars in fees; (3) produce references, including one who'll sign a paper promising that if my brother-in-law dies, the reference will immediately scoot to the police station and inform the officers that a dead man's gun needs to be confiscated; (4) wait several months; and then (5) pay a couple of hundred dollars in fees every year he owns the gun. That qualifies as "shall issue"?
And all this allows him only to keep the gun in his apartment. After all the fees and background checks and BS forms, he still can't possess that firearm anywhere but there. So even with possession of illegal guns rampant among street criminals, my brother-in-law as a law-abiding Air Force veteran cannot carry for self-defense.
Somehow I don't think that's what Jefferson, Franklin, Adams, Hamilton, et alia had in mind. In fact, I'd say that the prohibitive fees alone constitute a violation of the Second Amendment.
c45man: Yes, the Sullivan Law applies only in New York City. In fact, when I was a kid, you would read about the Sullivan Law more in connection with knives. Remember that in "West Side Story," the (highly romanticized) gangs carried knives, not guns. That was representative of the time (1961); the gangs of today are more technologically advanced.
Note that gun-hating New York Senator Charles Schumer has a CCW permit, as do a bunch of celebrities, rich people, anti-gun newspaper editors, and people with political connections. Is that "equal protection of the laws"?
BIGJOHN621
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Unfortunately, standing up for your Constitutional Rights in New York is a dual purpose proposal. There are those who believe it means continuing the entitlement mentality that is pervasive in the largely populated areas. There are also very many anti-gunners that are not of the entitlement mentality that vote very liberal and very anti-gun. We cannot overcome the 6 million entitlement folks in the NYC area who will vote for those who are anti-gun. It's that simple. We can stand up all we want for our Constitutional Rights, but it is not possible to move the needle.
Giuliani was the most conservative mayor NYC has seen in years, and gun rights went in the wrong direction even with him. Bloomberg wants to crack down on "illegal guns" which is brilliant marketing, but the real agenda as we all know is to make the guns illegal first, then crack down on those who have them. In NYC, if you have a NYS pistol permit (CCW) not endorsed by NYC (which, by the way is now not even considered, as the new law states you must be a NYC resident to have a pistol permit endorsed by NYC) and get caught in possession (not carrying) of your handgun, you face arrest and a minimum MANDATORY sentence of 1 year in jail. If you have a valid NYS pistol permit (CCW) not endorsed by NYC and get caught carrying your gun, you face arrest and a 3 year minimum mandatory sentence with a possibility of up to 10 years in jail. Does anyone think that horse has left the barn here?
Before LEOSA, NYPD was taught in the academy (as were other PD throughout the state) that when they came across out of state police officers that were off duty, to arrest those carrying a weapon as NYS did not grant reciprocity to other police agencies outside NYS.
Now, my statement of "all we can ask" that has drawn some criticism stands, as this is a hot anti-gun state. The laws are ridiculous. Unfortunately, I can't move away from them so I can work within them or spend my time complaining about them. Hopefully, we can change them. Until that day comes, there is no choice for some of us.
False. The Sullivan Law is the New York STATE pistol permit system.
Sullivan Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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False. The Sullivan Law is the New York STATE pistol permit system.
Thanks for the correction, Navy. I was thinking of the fact that New York City has its own CCW policies, which differ from those of NY State generally. Getting a CCW permit in some parts of the state is not particularly difficult, while it is practically impossible in NYC. Also, New York might be the only state where a permit is good everywhere except in one city. Philadelphia and Omaha, for example, tried to prohibit carry by people with permits but were shot down by the state government.
As for the Johnny-one-note troll who posted before you, I am no longer feeding him.
Thanks for the correction, Navy. I was thinking of the fact that New York City has its own CCW policies, which differ from those of NY State generally. Getting a CCW permit in some parts of the state is not particularly difficult, while it is practically impossible in NYC. Also, New York might be the only state where a permit is good everywhere except in one city. Philadelphia and Omaha, for example, tried to prohibit carry by people with permits but were shot down by the state government.
As for the Johnny-one-note troll who posted before you, I am no longer feeding him.
I think that everyone in this country that could Legaly carry a weapon should carry a weapon and it don't matter what Race, Religion Etc. that you are. The more armed people in Americal the less crime that would happen.This should include MANDATORY weapon's training and qualifications with the weapon you are going to carry. This would cut off a lot of problems with a Jury if you had to go that distance.
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You obviously haven't heard that I am the alleged leader of the "band of trolls."
beardedjesse
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NC
Yeah, in NC you can buy 1345 rifles in the same day if you have the $ but cannot buy a single handgun w/o a "permit." I know handguns are more concealable but for God sakes! Its such a money making scheme. Sick of it.
Yeah, in NC you can buy 1345 rifles in the same day if you have the $ but cannot buy a single handgun w/o a "permit." I know handguns are more concealable but for God sakes! Its such a money making scheme. Sick of it.
beardedjesse
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NC (cont.)
Oh and by the way, to further add to the stupidity...North Carolinians can now shoot home intruders "no questions asked" legally.
Oh and by the way, to further add to the stupidity...North Carolinians can now shoot home intruders "no questions asked" legally.
snatale42
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I think the purchase permit thing is stupid, But since it only applies to people without CCW permits, how many people does it REALLY affect.
So can people in most free states. Even in states with no castle doctrine if an intruder is IN your house, it's fair game.
Why? What problems are actually manifesting themselves in the real world because we don't have a training requirement for the Washington CPL? Personally, I don't see any problems actually happening because of no training requirement. Why "fix" something that isn't causing any problems and only add to the infringement of the right to bear arms above what is already there?
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