Family attacked for being "In the wrong neighborhood."

[dogshawred]

this is why I have and carry a gun, I am too old and out of shape to defend myself or my loved ones with my hands, I need the assistance of a tool to be able to defend myself from random attacks like this one.

Being old and out of shape is hardly a defense for shooting someone trying to fight you. Now, if there is several of them or weapons involved that is another situation.

Being old and out of shape is also not a reason that one should be beaten to death because they didn't pull a weapon on me. Sorry not going to happen to me either.
In 1962 just before I was going to start high school my father took me in the basement to see what I knew about fighting as it was a regular occurrence at the school I was about to attend.
When my dad came back fro the hospital after having his broken collar bone taken care of, he asked why I picked up the board and hit him with it.
Response you were bigger than I am.
When you are in a fit and the odds aren't in your favor you will need to equalize the situation or level the playing field. That will require you to take advantage of whatever you have available to accomplish that goal. Sam Colt was said to have claimed the 45 the great equalizer. Who am I to argue with history or such a great man.

 

[txhkman]

The only question I would ask is about the nature of the argument before the physical violence. No info on who escalated that. Lots we don't know.


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[jcreek]

this is why I have and carry a gun, I am too old and out of shape to defend myself or my loved ones with my hands, I need the assistance of a tool to be able to defend myself from random attacks like this one.

Being old and out of shape is hardly a defense for shooting someone trying to fight you. Now, if there is several of them or weapons involved that is another situation.

Being old and out of shape is also not a reason that one should be beaten to death because they didn't pull a weapon on me. Sorry not going to happen to me either.
In 1962 just before I was going to start high school my father took me in the basement to see what I knew about fighting as it was a regular occurrence at the school I was about to attend.
When my dad came back fro the hospital after having his broken collar bone taken care of, he asked why I picked up the board and hit him with it.
Response you were bigger than I am.
When you are in a fit and the odds aren't in your favor you will need to equalize the situation or level the playing field. That will require you to take advantage of whatever you have available to accomplish that goal. Sam Colt was said to have claimed the 45 the great equalizer. Who am I to argue with history or such a great man.

Lmao, that's some raw ****. I totally agree with you though. If you're the one defending yourself, take every advantage you can get. The Israelis even made a martial art out of it. Krav
Maga is basically, pick up the closest sturdy object and beat them to hell with it.

In a life or death situation where you have to win, always cheat.

 

[Austin]

So when I get old I can go start fights and then when the person retaliates I can shoot them dead? Road ragers are going to be fun when I'm in my 70's.....

 

[jcreek]

So when I get old I can go start fights and then when the person retaliates I can shoot them dead? Road ragers are going to be fun when I'm in my 70's.....

Who said anything about you being the one starting the fight? If you start the fight you're no longer the defender, you're the criminal aggressor.

If somebody walks up to me in a gas station, verbally threatens my life, and there is a disparity of force, you bet your ass I'd draw down on them. Where it goes from there is completely up to him; he can either be a good little scumbag and run away, or he can escalate his aggression and die trying to make good on his threat.

 

[Austin]

@Austin; You my friend are very ignorant of the situation. When you become 73, and have lost half your upper body strength, I hope you have the opportunity to have a hand to hand combat with some scumbag, and he beats the living hell out of you. Only then will you have the feeling of being inadequate.

I would not wish you to be hurt even after you wish the same on me.

 

[Austin]

So the real question for the old weak people about to start fights and then shoot people dead in the street is: what lesser force did you try before u killed them. If, I wasn't carrying pepper spray a baton or anything else was a legitimate defense....I imagine law enforcement would stop carrying all of it overnight.

 

[apvbguy]

So when I get old I can go start fights and then when the person retaliates I can shoot them dead? Road ragers are going to be fun when I'm in my 70's.....

are you really this dense? or are you just trolling?

 

[Austin]

Perhaps trolling a little bit. But if this is the logic thats being applied: being too old to fight so i shot them dead and thats ok. I was just expanding on this a bit.

Who said anything about you being the one starting the fight? If you start the fight you're no longer the defender, you're the criminal aggressor.

If somebody walks up to me in a gas station, verbally threatens my life, and there is a disparity of force, you bet your ass I'd draw down on them. Where it goes from there is completely up to him; he can either be a good little scumbag and run away, or he can escalate his aggression and die trying to make good on his threat.

^^ this furthers my argument. So someone walks up to you in public and says they are going to kill you, and they are younger or bigger than you, its ok to kill them? I hardly agree with that statement.

 

[The_Outlaw]

So when I get old I can go start fights and then when the person retaliates I can shoot them dead? Road ragers are going to be fun when I'm in my 70's.....

If you are being serious, then you should not be carrying a firearm imho.

If you are kidding.....'It's not funny'.

 

[Austin]

So I should not be carrying a firearm because I think people should not be shot because the person that they are into an altercation with is: weak, old, spend too much time on the couch, a female, over 35, sick, lacked the forsight to carry pepper spray, etc...

I was just stating that it seemed to be the logic as posted above, that unless you are in perfect health, young, workout 7 days a week, that you dont have to fight anymore and can just claim "disparity of force" and shoot them dead.

My point has been and always will be this:

Sitting on the couch getting fat, being too lazy to work out, being older than your prime, being female, fill in the blank... should not be enough to justify shooting someone that has threatened you for whatever reason. It is irrelevant who you think started the situation. When you are in court for shooting someone dead, I certainly wouldnt want to be the one attempting to use the arguments listed above as justification.

If you need an equalizer against an unarmed assailant use pepper spray, baton, a brick etc... and use the bought time to get outta there. If that does not work, then you can use a firearm and possibly be able to justify that you tried lesser force first. If they are armed then do what you need to do to protect life.

If you quote this to argue with me, please read its entirety before responding.

 

[guttercat2000]

So the real question for the old weak people about to start fights and then shoot people dead in the street is: what lesser force did you try before u killed them. If, I wasn't carrying pepper spray a baton or anything else was a legitimate defense....I imagine law enforcement would stop carrying all of it overnight.

Who said anything about old people starting fights?
You really must work on your reading comprehension.

 

[MasterGadgets]

Sitting on the couch getting fat, being too lazy to work out, being older than your prime, being female, fill in the blank... should not be enough to justify shooting someone that has threatened you for whatever reason.

So tell me what is the option of being older than my prime??? Do I have a choice???
So then being older I should not protect myslef and just lay down and die?:nono:

 

[Austin]

So tell me what is the option of being older than my prime??? Do I have a choice???
So then being older I should not protect myslef and just lay down and die?:nono:

Post 31 is your friend

 

[Austin]

Who said anything about old people starting fights?
You really must work on your reading comprehension.

So you are standing there holding a smoking gun with a dead guy in the middle of the street unarmed, and your argument here is "he threatened me. he started it, he scared me, im a coward, im too old to fight...."

Who started the fight is irrelevant, this is real life not kindergarten. The witnesses are going to say something like this: there were two guys involved in an altercation and one drew a gun and killed the other one.

20-life is what it sounds like to me.

But, honestly I dont care about you or your family. If you want to go shoot someone in the street because you are too much of a coward to fight with them than you will be the one doing time and not being able to support your family, not me.

 

[DRNurse1]

While that would be a desirable outcome, we can assume the attackers are part of the under-ground economy or are otherwise not gainfully employed or the are likely to be home in bed trying to get ready for the next day's toil....just my $0.02.

If the victim could have gotten away from the attacker and pull a gun I think a lot less attacking would have been done.
Or if the wife had a CCW permit and came in with a weapon drawn. These punks who go around threatening people and punching them around need to be stopped. I hope the attacker gets some jail and a fine and has to pay for hospital bills.

:triniti: Go ahead Punk, make my day!

 

[Chief1297]

So you are standing there holding a smoking gun with a dead guy in the middle of the street unarmed, and your argument here is "he threatened me. he started it, he scared me, im a coward, im too old to fight...."

Who started the fight is irrelevant, this is real life not kindergarten. The witnesses are going to say something like this: there were two guys involved in an altercation and one drew a gun and killed the other one.

20-life is what it sounds like to me.

But, honestly I dont care about you or your family. If you want to go shoot someone in the street because you are too much of a coward to fight with them than you will be the one doing time and not being able to support your family, not me.

I know a older lady who suffered from a broken nose, broken eye socket, and concussion from a young man who wanted her purse who would most likely tell you where to go and how to get there is she were reading this post.

 

[dogshawred]

Know Where I Am Going!

Austin.
Don't really know what your background is since you won't even list you birth year on your profile, I can't tell what kinds of experiences you may be old enough to have had.
But understand this;
You leave work Monday morning and go to the hospital because of recurring heartburn that is exertion originated.
They tell you that you will have to stay overnight and take a stress test first thing Tuesday morning.
Bright and early, 0630 hours Tuesday you are on your way to get a stress test using nuclear dye (x-rays before and after walking on a treadmill) and you do it.
Before you get back to your room there is a squad there to transfer you to different hospital due to the results they really don't tell you.
By 1100 hours you have been transported, been admitted, been submitted to a heart cath where they have implanted a ball pump in your heart in order to get you to surgery to crack your chest open to preform a quadruple by-pass surgery.
Four days later when you start breathing on your own and they are able to remove you from a respirator you wake up and realize you are NOT dead, yet you doctor tells you that they weren't sure that you would come off the table alive.
Six days later when they send you home you are told that it would be better for my chances of survival to be away from the hospital. In other words go home and die in peace.
Complications from surgery paralyzed 60% of the diaphragm reducing my lung capacity to a maximum effective level of 34%.
I was that guy who never had to have a weapon and was willing to walk into anything to help someone and have been hurt doing it.
I hope and pray that you will never have the anxiety and anguish of feeling so helpless in the defense of your family, knowing that any exertion is going to incapacitate you and leave your loved ones unprotected and at the mercy of those bent on doing evil.
When you have experienced this you may criticize how I may go about defending myself, until then you need to learn respect for those who have been there and are living with the reality we have been dealt.
PS during my surgery I crossed over and I know where I am going, do you?

 

[Austin]

I know a older lady who suffered from a broken nose, broken eye socket, and concussion from a young man who wanted her purse who would most likely tell you where to go and how to get there is she were reading this post.

As much as I would like to say otherwise, shooting someone dead that is trying to steal your purse is not justifiable homicide in most states. A purse is property and can be replaced. I am trying to keep my feelings out of the conversation and reply only with fact. Shooting someone for stealing her purse is likely not justified. However, if he is beating the hell out of her and she is taking serious injury it is likely to be another situation altogether.

My personal feelings are this. Gangbangers are terrorists and should have open season on them.

But nobody asked me for my feelings just as I havent asked for yalls.

 

[Austin]

Austin.
Don't really know what your background is since you won't even list you birth year on your profile, I can't tell what kinds of experiences you may be old enough to have had.
But understand this;
You leave work Monday morning and go to the hospital because of recurring heartburn that is exertion originated.
They tell you that you will have to stay overnight and take a stress test first thing Tuesday morning.
Bright and early, 0630 hours Tuesday you are on your way to get a stress test using nuclear dye (x-rays before and after walking on a treadmill) and you do it.
Before you get back to your room there is a squad there to transfer you to different hospital due to the results they really don't tell you.
By 1100 hours you have been transported, been admitted, been submitted to a heart cath where they have implanted a ball pump in your heart in order to get you to surgery to crack your chest open to preform a quadruple by-pass surgery.
Four days later when you start breathing on your own and they are able to remove you from a respirator you wake up and realize you are NOT dead, yet you doctor tells you that they weren't sure that you would come off the table alive.
Six days later when they send you home you are told that it would be better for my chances of survival to be away from the hospital. In other words go home and die in peace.
Complications from surgery paralyzed 60% of the diaphragm reducing my lung capacity to a maximum effective level of 34%.
I was that guy who never had to have a weapon and was willing to walk into anything to help someone and have been hurt doing it.
I hope and pray that you will never have the anxiety and anguish of feeling so helpless in the defense of your family, knowing that any exertion is going to incapacitate you and leave your loved ones unprotected and at the mercy of those bent on doing evil.
When you have experienced this you may criticize how I may go about defending myself, until then you need to learn respect for those who have been there and are living with the reality we have been dealt.
PS during my surgery I crossed over and I know where I am going, do you?

As far as me not being able to tell you how you feel when you have all these medical issues, you are correct. I have not had them myself. And neither are members of a jury. But if someone threatens you and you shoot them because of it (as another poster has stated he would) I would be hard pressed to believe it as self defense.

As I have posted multiple times now. I will not lose any sleep if you guys go on a shooting spree and take out these gang bangers and such. Actually I might even smile a little bit as the thugs get what they have coming. But calling it justified is a whole nother issue and that is what I am attempting to discuss.

And since you want to bring god into this, what does the bible say about it? Seems to me that it was turn the other cheek and pray for their forgiveness, not to shoot them in the face. And before someone says that they need to obey the law of the land. it is not up to us as CCL holders to enforce the law of the land.