Ex-Marine pleas to misdemeanor - no jail time

Have never met an X-Marine. Never will. Better the Marine than an untrained, un edumakated Gang-Banger with a piece that may or may not hit the target. HM3
 
So he misunderstood the law, and yes it is his responsibility to know the laws, but did not have any evil intentions, and got arrested for trying to do the right thing and check his firearm in at a desk? He is facing a minimum of 3.5 years for that, yet an armed criminal could force their way into my home, put my family in danger, and burglarize me, or a gang Banger can get caught being in possession of an illegally obtained firearm and either one of these criminals could receive a shorter sentence than this marine. Shows just how screwed up the system is. If you ask me any person who has served our country should have the right to carry regardless of state laws.. how is it I was able to risk my life for my country, but I cannot carry and protect myself living in Illinois?

Semper Fi
 
NotTwoShure:288618 said:
Have never met an X-Marine. Never will. Better the Marine than an untrained, un edumakated Gang-Banger with a piece that may or may not hit the target. HM3
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Very well put NotTwoShure.. Semper Fi, I assume?
 
hazard123 said:
A United States Marine, shall carry! Semper Fi!!!!
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But he was just an ex-marine. We have to be careful when picking out heros:

When a former Marine, Ryan Jerome, was arrested after turning over his handgun to security at the Empire State Building last fall, he became a cause célèbre to those who see America, in general, and New York, in particular, as hostile toward gun owners and veterans.

Various Web sites, online petitions and media reports ridiculed the arrest, and many referred to Mr. Jerome, a former private first class, as an honorably discharged antitank missile gunner, a decorated tail gunner or a veteran of the war in Iraq. A Facebook page called “Free Ryan Jerome” was created and peppered with postings in support and mentions of “Semper Fidelis.”

But, as it turns out, Mr. Jerome’s military record was not so distinguished.

He was a Marine for less than 11 months before facing a court martial and an “other than honorable” discharge, according to a letter that Mr. Vance’s office filed in court on Tuesday. The letter quotes a memo written in 2003 by Mr. Jerome’s commander saying that the private had disappeared for a month and admitted to using marijuana.

“He has shown little interest in the welfare of his fellow Marines, and has showed a lack of effort in his day-to-day tasks,” his commander wrote in recommending discharge. “Clearly Pfc. Jerome joined the Marine Corps to have someone else look after him, and be paid for the minimal effort and work he performs daily.”
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/29/n...had-bad-record-manhattan-prosecutor-says.html
 
With out reading this prior USMC member's Pre-Sentence Report, or Probation Officer's report we will not have any information that is worth chatting about. What prior felony history does he have? What was going on in his Company? No, nothing that we know of except the media's un-biased report.
 
NotTwoShure said:
With out reading this prior USMC member's Pre-Sentence Report, or Probation Officer's report we will not have any information that is worth chatting about. What prior felony history does he have? What was going on in his Company? No, nothing that we know of except the media's un-biased report.
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Wasn't his commander a marine? A marine who served for more than 11 months? A marine who didn't disappear for one of those 11 months?


I guess a marine like the commander can't be trusted when he wrote: “He has shown little interest in the welfare of his fellow Marines, and has showed a lack of effort in his day-to-day tasks,” his commander wrote in recommending discharge. “Clearly Pfc. Jerome joined the Marine Corps to have someone else look after him, and be paid for the minimal effort and work he performs daily.”


Where's the media bias in reporting those facts?


The media originally reported that he was an Iraq War veteran, honorably discharged from the Marines. Turns out he wasn't any such thing.


The more we learn about him the more I'm convinced that he is not the type of individual I want wandering around my neighborhood with a concealed weapon. Not smart enough to read a chart on the intrnet, not honerablke enough to follow the rules he had agreed to follow. He's the type that we'll hear someday "forgot it was loaded" or "it just fell out of by holster and went off" or "I never thought the kids would find it there."
 
As a war time vet this story really upsets me. I saw this story when it first broke maybe two or three months ago. It bothers me because we are called to war by our country, we volunteer and sacrifice our blood sweat and tears, our families suffer but we still carry out our mission. We do it with fire arms a lot bigger and more powerful than a pistol. Yet the same government who sends us to war has issue with us carrying firearms in our country which we sacrificed so much for. Yes follow and obey the law, but jail time for him is a little bit of an over kill. Dont ya think?
 
[email protected] said:
As a war time vet this story really upsets me. I saw this story when it first broke maybe two or three months ago. It bothers me because we are called to war by our country, we volunteer and sacrifice our blood sweat and tears, our families suffer but we still carry out our mission. We do it with fire arms a lot bigger and more powerful than a pistol. Yet the same government who sends us to war has issue with us carrying firearms in our country which we sacrificed so much for. Yes follow and obey the law, but jail time for him is a little bit of an over kill. Dont ya think?
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I don't think anyone on this forum thought he should get jail time. Many thought the charges should be dismissed. But not because he was dishonorably discharged from the marines, or because he went awol for a month, or because he wasn't an Iraq War vet. Rather, because of the circumstances of the case.

Being a vet doesn't vaccinate a person from the diseases that infect the rest of our citizens. Most vets aren't Tim McVeigh, but neither are most non-vet citizens.
 
No such thing as an ex-marine bud.


"There are only two kinds of people that understand Marines: Marines and the enemy. Everyone else has a second-hand opinion."
Gen. William Thornson, U.S. Army


Also the nurse from TN took the plea deal and received no jail time.
 
Romantic notions aside, the guy was a marine, then he was thrown out because of his behavior. He is an ex-marine.
 
Taking any type of a plea is just saying I am a guilty person,I would never except any plea deal if I felt I was not guilty. You take their pleas your not getting much IMHO. As some wise person once said Quote: Fight you sons of bitchs or lay down like a yellow rat. End of Quote. Like in 300 I come to fight they come to die.
 
rifleshooter474 said:
Taking any type of a plea is just saying I am a guilty person,I would never except any plea deal if I felt I was not guilty. You take their pleas your not getting much IMHO. As some wise person once said Quote: Fight you sons of bitchs or lay down like a yellow rat. End of Quote. Like in 300 I come to fight they come to die.
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Many issues concerning a plea deal. There is also an Alford plea. Depending on the state the person is in at the time of the charges being filed he may receive a very simple “Slap on the Hand” or hard time. In a city/county or state that would like to tar and feather a citizen for even having an empty shell case to a Constitutionally correct state that would not even bother to confiscate his piece. If one is found guilty of a serious offense by a jury of his pears (I would really like to see that happen) and is given, for example, five flat years without the possibility of any type of early release (i.e. Work Furlough, Home Arrest or regular parole) he may have been very much afraid. We have no idea of the circumstance of his interview with the arresting authority, conditions of his confinement in pre-trial or his legal counsel. If I were driving in a state such as Illinois or Massachusetts and I had an innocent little .22 long rifle that my grand kid misplaced (No comments on gun safety or any such remarks because this is hypothetical [PLESE]), in the crevices of the back seat, and a highly motivated public servant did a probable cause search of vehicle I would be guilty. Think?
 
[email protected] said:
As a war time vet this story really upsets me. I saw this story when it first broke maybe two or three months ago. It bothers me because we are called to war by our country, we volunteer and sacrifice our blood sweat and tears, our families suffer but we still carry out our mission. We do it with fire arms a lot bigger and more powerful than a pistol. Yet the same government who sends us to war has issue with us carrying firearms in our country which we sacrificed so much for. Yes follow and obey the law, but jail time for him is a little bit of an over kill. Dont ya think?
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God and the Soldier, we adore,
In time of danger, not before.
The danger passed and all things righted,
God is forgotten and the Soldier slighted.

Kipling
 
It all comes down to the Draconian gun laws in NYC. The Sullivan Law was a biased law....this is the kind of law that should be obeyed? NYC is out of control. Old men are carrying kitchen knives in their sleeves....I know because I used to sharpen them for them. Some of these guys were vets that could not, based on the ridiculous requirements of NYC, obtain a legal firearm to protect themselves on the walk home from work or the grocery store. We are a ridiculous nanny state...I'm so tired of people that are doing the right thing getting the dirty end of the stick. But, until the 'mass's' elect some people with enough stones to change what's wrong into what's right...old men will carry 8" bread knives up their sleeves...
 
NotTwoShure said:
Many issues concerning a plea deal. There is also an Alford plea. Depending on the state the person is in at the time of the charges being filed he may receive a very simple “Slap on the Hand” or hard time. In a city/county or state that would like to tar and feather a citizen for even having an empty shell case to a Constitutionally correct state that would not even bother to confiscate his piece. If one is found guilty of a serious offense by a jury of his pears (I would really like to see that happen) and is given, for example, five flat years without the possibility of any type of early release (i.e. Work Furlough, Home Arrest or regular parole) he may have been very much afraid. We have no idea of the circumstance of his interview with the arresting authority, conditions of his confinement in pre-trial or his legal counsel. If I were driving in a state such as Illinois or Massachusetts and I had an innocent little .22 long rifle that my grand kid misplaced (No comments on gun safety or any such remarks because this is hypothetical [PLESE]), in the crevices of the back seat, and a highly motivated public servant did a probable cause search of vehicle I would be guilty. Think?
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A little history on this Alford Plea can be found here: The Alford Plea
A plea by any other name is still you are just admitting guilt. If you feel you have been charged wrongly and trust me cops arrest people for the wrong reasons cops many time have no real understanding of the laws of their states. But they can and do arrest people. Your arrested booked into jail and then it's up to you to get ready for the District Attorney to again wrongly charge you with what ever crime they feel will scare the hell out of you. Then they start offering their dirty little dealing pleas.
It's then up to you take their plea offers or stand your ground and fight the charge.
As a example my past case of someone just saying I pointed my handgun at him and said I would kill him, there were no other wittnes's just him alone saying I did it. Cop just took his statement and because I had m CCW and handgun arrested me. District Attorney filed a felony charge on me. Soon after the plea offes started coming. They kept coming and I kept rejecting them for seven Months. Right before we were to go to a felony trial the District Attorney reduced their charge to a misdemeanor and again offered a plea deal. I rejected the offer we went to trial I was found not guilty. so I say if you are wrongly arrested wrongly charged you can just except what is offered or stand up and let a Judge and Jury make you a free person or a guilty as charged person.
I feel if you are really not guilty as charged don't except any plea saying you except their charge of guilt.
 
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