Ever Notice Drug Deals in Supermarket, Walmart Pkg Lots?

[surfcc]

I don't know about the rest of you, but my wife and I have been noticing with much more freqency, drug deals going down in broad daylight in the parking lots at the local supermarket as well as Walmart, etc. I started seeing it after I sat on a county grand jury for 3 months a little over a year ago. We heard more drug deals in those 3 months, and in most cases the UC LEO or detective conducted the deal or testified the deals happened in broad daylight at busy supermarket parking lots all over Cape Cod. I'm sure this has been going on for quite some time and now my eyes, as well as my wife's, are wide open to it. We have both called the police on at least 5 different occassions to report what we are seeing. It's SO OBVIOUS! :fie:

I just read an article about the Nationwide "La Familia" MExican Cartel bust the authorities pulled off the other day and in the article they mentioned the fact that Law Enforcement had watched many of these drug deals go down in mall, supermarket parking lots in MA, NC, OK, AL and all over the country!

Make sure you all are keen on this and don't be afraid to pick up the cell phone and call police to tell them what you're witnessing, if you happen to suspect something.....be discreet of course! I'm sick of these miscreants polluting society and our children. There's so much more crime associated with the baggage that drugs / druggies carry. As responsible citizens, we need to work together to take a bite out of crime!

 

[rksap]

Good info. Thanks for sharing.

 

[PascalFleischman]

Never occured to me......hmmm, I might keep on the lookout. I'm sure a deal or two has gone down in a Memphis parking lot.

 

[NDS]

Yeah, they're obvious if you just look. But, what are you going to do about it?

Do you want to become a professional witness calling the cops every time you see it, maybe photographing or videotaping it, and then wait for the authorities to show up and arrest? Then, you're on the line for months before they finally decide whether to go to court or not so you can be a witness?

Or, just use it to identify the 'problem people' in an area and go on about your business?

It's illegal, but do you want to spend your time and perhaps safety to get involved?

 

[tcox4freedom]

Yeah, they're obvious if you just look. But, what are you going to do about it?

Do you want to become a professional witness calling the cops every time you see it, maybe photographing or videotaping it, and then wait for the authorities to show up and arrest? Then, you're on the line for months before they finally decide whether to go to court or not so you can be a witness?

Or, just use it to identify the 'problem people' in an area and go on about your business?

It's illegal, but do you want to spend your time and perhaps safety to get involved?

I don't me to offend; but it's this type of attitude that has allowed criminals to become so embolden. I believe if more people would pick up their phone and complain, our streets would be safer.

I've called law enforcement about such activities; and on suspected DUI and Road rage suspects as well. I never once have had to go to court; nor regretted my decision for any reason. I've never even had to give my name.

The way I look at is this: "If my family is going to be going "anywhere", it is my responsibility to keep them safe as possible." Sometimes calling and complaining about suspected illegal actvity is the right thing to do.

One of the biggest reasons for the rise in crime is civilians aren't willing to get involved. Most LEO departments appreciate it when the citizens take a role in reporting criminal activity.

 

[Scarecrow]

good call. never really looked for it. I'll be keeping my eyes open more.

 

[NDS]

I don't me to offend; but it's this type of attitude that has allowed criminals to become so embolden. I believe if more people would pick up their phone and complain, our streets would be safer.

I agree, and in my residential neighborhood I would be willing to invest my time and fill out a complaint, agree to be a witness, etc. Oh, wait, I'm not just willing; I have done that and have appeared as a witness...

I've called law enforcement about such activities; and on suspected DUI and Road rage suspects as well. I never once have had to go to court; nor regretted my decision for any reason. I've never even had to give my name.

Then I must wonder if they only took your information to placate you. Did you see any evidence that they acted on your call?

The way I look at is this: "If my family is going to be going "anywhere", it is my responsibility to keep them safe as possible." Sometimes calling and complaining about suspected illegal actvity is the right thing to do.

Which is why I carry, to protect my family and myself. It may be right, but I believe it's a waste of time unless you're willing to invest your time in following through.

One of the biggest reasons for the rise in crime is civilians aren't willing to get involved. Most LEO departments appreciate it when the citizens take a role in reporting criminal activity.

One of the biggest reasons for the rise in crime is the government constantly meddling in everybody's life and adding unenforceable (at time uncomprehensible) laws to the books. If the government would act Constitutionally, many of our 'government invented problems' would evaporate.

Before you go off on me condoning crime, I don't see the value in spending a fortune to stop people from self-destructive behavior. If we would limit our crime-fighting resources to acting against behaviors that damage others and allow people to harm or even destroy themselves we'd all be better off.

ETA: Someone will probably ask for clarification so I'll clarify now. Yes, I'd legalize all drugs and let people enjoy their addictions all the way to the graveyard. It's okay with me if prostitution or (insert you particular love to hate behavior if you so wish) ___ were legalized as well. Oh wait, I live in a state where prostitution is already legal; I don't know of anybody among my acquaintances who has spent their families rent money (or indeed any money) on prostitutes.

If your objection to my stand is because I'd 'legalize sin' -- tough, your superstitions aren't my concern.

 

[Boomboy007]

Hear hear, NDS!

Whatever happened to being free?

I don't give a flip what people do with themselves as long as they are doing it to themselves or to another consensual adult.

 

[astute]

Whatever happened to being free?

I don't give a flip what people do with themselves as long as they are doing it to themselves or to another consensual adult.

Have to agree. I consider miself very aware of my surroundings and I have never seen anything that even resembles drug dealing let alone an actual deal. What about the people who we hate because of insane "MAN WITH A GUN" calls

 

[surfcc]

Before you go off on me condoning crime, I don't see the value in spending a fortune to stop people from self-destructive behavior. If we would limit our crime-fighting resources to acting against behaviors that damage others and allow people to harm or even destroy themselves we'd all be better off.


Major problem with your argument is if we sanction drug use, then we must sanction the crime that follows with it. How the heck is the govt going to regulate the flow of drugs from the major drug cartels in Columbia and Mexico? Do you think for a minute these cartels will participate in NAFTA or even pretend to play by some govt's rules?

 

[billwot]

I don't me to offend; but it's this type of attitude that has allowed criminals to become so embolden. I believe if more people would pick up their phone and complain, our streets would be safer.

I've called law enforcement about such activities; and on suspected DUI and Road rage suspects as well. I never once have had to go to court; nor regretted my decision for any reason. I've never even had to give my name.

The way I look at is this: "If my family is going to be going "anywhere", it is my responsibility to keep them safe as possible." Sometimes calling and complaining about suspected illegal actvity is the right thing to do.

One of the biggest reasons for the rise in crime is civilians aren't willing to get involved. Most LEO departments appreciate it when the citizens take a role in reporting criminal activity.

Agreed. I have phoned in observed drug transactions and suspected DUIs. I gave location, description of vehicle, and license number. I figure a if a dealer just completed a transaction, he will have furhter evidence of illegal activity in his vehicle and/or on his person. In the case of a DUI, a LEO can quickly make that determination.

bill

 

[NDS]

Before you go off on me condoning crime, I don't see the value in spending a fortune to stop people from self-destructive behavior. If we would limit our crime-fighting resources to acting against behaviors that damage others and allow people to harm or even destroy themselves we'd all be better off.


Major problem with your argument is if we sanction drug use, then we must sanction the crime that follows with it. How the heck is the govt going to regulate the flow of drugs from the major drug cartels in Columbia and Mexico? Do you think for a minute these cartels will participate in NAFTA or even pretend to play by some govt's rules?

So, if I agree with you I must assume the Founding Fathers were wrong when they wrote the Constitution. The government should not have allowed US citizens to put whatever they pleased in their own bodies and should control their personal lives. In the last century the government has decided the citizens are government property and may control them completely. The crime, cartels, and social problems are a result of the government artificially creating a high price for forbidden goods. But, most people have a strong need to control the behavior of others.

Sorry, the only problem I see is your desire to continue the subsidizing of those 'criminals' by maintaining an artificially high price for their goods.

 

[surfcc]

So, if I agree with you I must assume the Founding Fathers were wrong when they wrote the Constitution. The government should not have allowed US citizens to put whatever they pleased in their own bodies and should control their personal lives. In the last century the government has decided the citizens are government property and may control them completely. The crime, cartels, and social problems are a result of the government artificially creating a high price for forbidden goods. But, most people have a strong need to control the behavior of others.

Sorry, the only problem I see is your desire to continue the subsidizing of those 'criminals' by maintaining an artificially high price for their goods.

I never stated that I desire the govt to subsidize or tax anything. However, one would have to assume that anything that this govt does legalize which is currently not legal, would be heavily taxed and subsidized, would it not?

Okay, so if we do legalize it, no strings attached (no taxes, no subsidies, etc) and just let it (drugs) flow over the border freely....then what do you envision?

I don't care what people do to themselves (in the privacy of their homes), so long as it brings no harm to me or my family. So long as what they do to themselves, doesn't require them to rob, steal and even kill to support their own addicition, then I have no problem with that whatsoever.

 

[NDS]

If you wish to seriously discuss the mess this country is in and reducing the size and intrusiveness of government--that's good. Most people just want to complain about government control of them while still wanting control of others. So, I'll honestly answer you.

I never stated that I desire the govt to subsidize or tax anything. However, one would have to assume that anything that this govt does legalize which is currently not legal, would be heavily taxed and subsidized, would it not?

That is what I believe the government should NOT do. Government needs to restrain itself to its Constitutional duties only and divest itself of all other meddling.

Okay, so if we do legalize it, no strings attached (no taxes, no subsidies, etc) and just let it (drugs) flow over the border freely....then what do you envision?

Honestly? I envision a total and complete short-term disaster. I expect the country would enter a period of chaos similar to that in the years immediately following the Civil War (or war of northern aggression, war of southern rebellion--please, let's not have that discussion again). But, I'm afraid such chaos is unavoidable if we wish to regain our Constitutional Republic. And no, I'm not wishing for the problems, but at some point these unsupportable meddlings will collapse and we will have the price to pay.

I don't care what people do to themselves (in the privacy of their homes), so long as it brings no harm to me or my family. So long as what they do to themselves, doesn't require them to rob, steal and even kill to support their own addicition, then I have no problem with that whatsoever.

As I do. One of the natural consequences of drug abuse is a failure to see the limits of civilized behavior. If these people steal or initiate violence a free populace may stop them with means which could prove lethal. I'll refer you to:
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I consider that a great example of civic responsibility (correctly being your brother's keeper) and citizen involvement.

We're probably not as far apart as you think. I'm just more strident in my statements.