Enough of this! Time to act!

[Sarah Goodwich]

It's time to put an end to all state and federal firearms laws that restrict both carrying and concealment.

The Supreme Court has ruled in McDonald v. City of Chicago, that the 2nd Amendment right applies to both state and federal law, as well as cities.

Likewise, the federal right of privacy and the 4th Amendment protect an individual's right to be free from public scrutiny or unreasonable searches.

This means that a state cannot prohibit a person from carrying a concealed firearm, unless there's a compelling state interest wherein they're a proven threat to themselves or others.

Unless we fire a federal lawsuit to establish this right against states who require a permit for concealed-carry, then they'll continue to play wild-goose chase with our rights forever.

We need to get enough people together to file such a suit, demanding judicial review of all state laws requiring permits.

 

[kerb]

It's time to put an end to all state and federal firearms laws that restrict both carrying and concealment.

The Supreme Court has ruled in McDonald v. City of Chicago, that the 2nd Amendment right applies to both state and federal law, as well as cities.

Likewise, the federal right of privacy and the 4th Amendment protect an individual's right to be free from public scrutiny or unreasonable searches.

This means that a state cannot prohibit a person from carrying a concealed firearm, unless there's a compelling state interest wherein they're a proven threat to themselves or others.

Unless we fire a federal lawsuit to establish this right against states who require a permit for concealed-carry, then they'll continue to play wild-goose chase with our rights forever.

We need to get enough people together to file such a suit, demanding judicial review of all state laws requiring permits.

Admirable goal. How many is enough?

Why not just leave the gun unloaded and rely 100% upon the "element of surprise"?

 

[Itstjs]

"This means that a state cannot prohibit a person from carrying a concealed firearm, unless there's a compelling state interest wherein they're a proven threat to themselves or others."

Unfortunately, they will tell you to something along the lines of "look at all the gangsters, and criminals, do you really think we will allow criminals to carry a firearm?" which means no charges could be filed against felons etc for carrying a weapon concealed. I believe the Concealed Permits save us some trouble. However IF you have enough people to file, you may end up over turning the laws that prohibit criminals from carrying pistols, or possessing weapons period which violates their 2nd amendment rights. Good idea, but I like the way things are right now, sad to say.

 

[Firefighterchen]

"This means that a state cannot prohibit a person from carrying a concealed firearm, unless there's a compelling state interest wherein they're a proven threat to themselves or others."

Unfortunately, they will tell you to something along the lines of "look at all the gangsters, and criminals, do you really think we will allow criminals to carry a firearm?" which means no charges could be filed against felons etc for carrying a weapon concealed. I believe the Concealed Permits save us some trouble. However IF you have enough people to file, you may end up over turning the laws that prohibit criminals from carrying pistols, or possessing weapons period which violates their 2nd amendment rights. Good idea, but I like the way things are right now, sad to say.

If a criminal has broken the law and has had his/her rights taken away by due process, they can no longer carry a weapon, any weapon, legally. Permit systems don't give the government a law to charge criminals carrying firearms with, the law was there way before the permit system, it's called the Constitution.

If you don't understand, then answer this: For states that allow open carry without a permit, can a felon legally carry openly? No? Then the permit system is worthless.

 

[Itstjs]

Good point, I didnt think of that to much, kinda flew by the seam of my pants.

 

[G23Chicago]

I wish I knew what it would take to get something like that going. I know a lot of people in Illinois who would love to have their ability to carry legally. It is like you are a criminal just for wanting to protect your family. You would think the NRA or one of the others would have already done this or at least tried. I am very unhappy with the way things are in my city, but sadly the corruption goes all the way to the top and beyond so I think this post is the last I'll be hearing of this awesome would be lawsuit.

 

[jg1967]

"This means that a state cannot prohibit a person from carrying a concealed firearm, unless there's a compelling state interest wherein they're a proven threat to themselves or others."

Unfortunately, they will tell you to something along the lines of "look at all the gangsters, and criminals, do you really think we will allow criminals to carry a firearm?" which means no charges could be filed against felons etc for carrying a weapon concealed. I believe the Concealed Permits save us some trouble. However IF you have enough people to file, you may end up over turning the laws that prohibit criminals from carrying pistols, or possessing weapons period which violates their 2nd amendment rights. Good idea, but I like the way things are right now, sad to say.

You base this on the idea that a criminal illegally carrying might be spotted before he actually commits a crime. That's unlikely and even if he is most prosecutors don't bother pressing a mere weapons charge if it's a career criminal. They wait for him to use it and then charge him.

 

[wolf_fire]

I wish I knew what it would take to get something like that going. I know a lot of people in Illinois who would love to have their ability to carry legally. It is like you are a criminal just for wanting to protect your family. You would think the NRA or one of the others would have already done this or at least tried. I am very unhappy with the way things are in my city, but sadly the corruption goes all the way to the top and beyond so I think this post is the last I'll be hearing of this awesome would be lawsuit.

wait a minute.... you aren't (gasp) talking about our president are you. I believe he came from Chicago??!!?? :crazy_pilot: :help:

 

[mappow]

Your Rights should not be infringed upon unless adjudicated by a court of Law, hmmmmm interesting idea.

 

[golocx4]

All they have to do is stall and wait...... Just a little while longer now........
All they (antis) have to do is wait for one or two more SCOTUS replacements and you can kiss it all goodbye.
Stalling is something the lawyers do because they charge by the hour. When you call your attorney a stop watch is clicked.
All those 3 minute phone calls are added up and put on your bill.The longer they can drag out a case, the more phone calls.
The more phone calls, a new Mercedes Benz.
Last week I would have been with you and willing to invest more "sweat equity" into your idea.
This week, sorry man, too tired and too fed up to care anymore.
Instead of investing my time and effort for Second Amendment Rights I should be trying to get some free obama phones, getting obama to pay my mortgage off, getting some fee obama bucks and worshiping at the altar of the Democratic Party.

 

[cluznar]

I think requiring a person to get a CCW permit is a good idea, they check for felons and take your fingerprints. This is good policy. HOWEVER, I would like to see changes, like a CCW permit issued in ANY state is good in ALL states. Also have CCW allowed in more places, everywhere except government buildings and political rallies and speeches, debates, etc.

 

[BC1]

Good luck. your president hasn't had a passing relationship with constitutional rights or the law. Should he get the chance, new supreme court justices will finish the job for him.

 

[mappow]

All they have to do is stall and wait...... Just a little while longer now........
All they (antis) have to do is wait for one or two more SCOTUS replacements and you can kiss it all goodbye.
Stalling is something the lawyers do because they charge by the hour. When you call your attorney a stop watch is clicked.
All those 3 minute phone calls are added up and put on your bill.The longer they can drag out a case, the more phone calls.
The more phone calls, a new Mercedes Benz.
Last week I would have been with you and willing to invest more "sweat equity" into your idea.
This week, sorry man, too tired and too fed up to care anymore.
Instead of investing my time and effort for Second Amendment Rights I should be trying to get some free obama phones, getting obama to pay my mortgage off, getting some fee obama bucks and worshiping at the altar of the Democratic Party.

I think you're on to something there golocx4. Instead of swimming upstream like I have done all my life, I do believe that we should join in and FORCE this country to its knees. Gimme, gimme, gimme until we have bled this country dry and it implodes. Once at rock bottom and a painful one it'll be, we can finally start to recover and admit that SOCIALISM/COMMUNISM/LIBERALISM has again never worked and again people have suffered and probably died to prove this right. Of course that is IF we will ever get to recovery and there's anyone left to recover from.

 

[mappow]

I think requiring a person to get a CCW permit is a good idea, they check for felons and take your fingerprints. This is good policy. HOWEVER, I would like to see changes, like a CCW permit issued in ANY state is good in ALL states. Also have CCW allowed in more places, everywhere except government buildings and political rallies and speeches, debates, etc.

I beg to differ, the only impedance this permitting does is TAX the honest citizen. Felons already cannot have a CCW permit nor would they ever submit to a background check, hence "FELONS". THE ONLY thing this permit process does is generate revenue off the producers.

 

[misunderstood]

I do like permit on one thing. In nc it allows me to walk in gun shop and purchase a pitol then. It is bs that i must have it but it does give me convenience there

 

[titon]

Ex felons can still carry knives, etc, in some areas, and they can carry cap and ball revolvers, too. they just can't possess "modern firearms" or cartridges. Rights are supposed to be inalienable. if the state CAN take them, then they are privileges. You have all committed felonies, so has your mother. Kissing someone who is under 18 is a felony, guys. oral sex, even if it is with your wife was a felony, in at least one state, until fairly recently.

 

[BC1]

Ex felons can still carry knives, etc, in some areas, and they can carry cap and ball revolvers, too. they just can't possess "modern firearms" or cartridges. Rights are supposed to be inalienable. if the state CAN take them, then they are privileges. You have all committed felonies, so has your mother. Kissing someone who is under 18 is a felony, guys. oral sex, even if it is with your wife was a felony, in at least one state, until fairly recently.

We had a nine-year-old boy abducted, molested and stabbed to death. The guy served his time. Upon his release he attacked two others. Served another 12 years. You want to give him a gun or have another reason to lock him up at the first convenience. A DUI felony is one thing. But dangerous criminals are another.

 

[DLeeHarley]

I personally know 2 people from California who had been convicted of Felonies (Non-Violent & no weapons involved) and after doing their sentence, probation and (1 of them) paying their restitution, waited a small amount of time which they found out later was unnecessary, who were able to have their rights restored including their 2nd amendment rights. Now I do not know what the requirements are for any other states, but in Calif they used penal code 1203.4 to have their conviction dismissed (not expunged). Then they used penal code 17(B) to have their charge reduced to a misdemeanor. Not all felonies can be reduced including violent crimes, spousal abuse, mental illness etc. So the statement felons can not legally own firearms is incorrect. I guess the law is for the kid or young adult who literally makes a mistake or just a stupid decision AND learns from it like their supposed to. Like I said I know them and they are really good people who in one case was a stupid 18 yr old and the other just stupid that made bad choices. But I'm very very glad they got a second chance. They deserved it. And I believe the system actually worked in these cases.

 

[G23Chicago]

wait a minute.... you aren't (gasp) talking about our president are you. I believe he came from Chicago??!!?? :crazy_pilot: :help:

Haha If Kenya is in Chicago, then yes Obama is from Chicago.

 

[jg1967]

We had a nine-year-old boy abducted, molested and stabbed to death. The guy served his time. Upon his release he attacked two others. Served another 12 years. You want to give him a gun or have another reason to lock him up at the first convenience. A DUI felony is one thing. But dangerous criminals are another.

Sounds more like a problem with the justice system to me.