Employer property rights vs my right to safety??

[tricolordad]

I just picked up a part time job to supplement my other part time job, but it is for a company that has a policy against employees having even a folding pocket knife on the property while on the job. The location is in a very high crime area (sadly, as it was the only place willing to pay what I need) and I will be working alone throughout the entire night. I am all for respecting property rights and not carrying where asked not to do so, but...while in the course of employment, I feel that a policy such as this which advocates complete submission, even when facing death, is a violation of my rights. This also happens to be a very wealthy corporation, and it is not an individual's property. I have decided to bring a small caliber semi-auto just in case my life is in jeopardy because I feel that alive and broke is better than being killed just to keep a job. Am I overstepping or am I right? I'd like your opinions.

To clarify, I absolutely need the money, so looking for another job at this point is not an option.

 

[tattedupboy]

I believe in private property rights also, but your car is your property, and as far as I'm concerned, they have no right to tell you what you can or cannot keep in YOUR property. The fact that it's parked in THEIR parking lot is immaterial. Your car is your car and what's in it is no one's business but your own.

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[snatale42]

I have decided to bring a small caliber semi-auto just in case my life is in jeopardy because I feel that alive and broke is better than being killed just to keep a job. Am I overstepping or am I right? I'd like your opinions.

My thoughts exactly. As long as your not breaking a LAW by carrying, who cares about breaking policy, as you've said, alive and unemployed is better than dead.

 

[Cj Major]

I also work for an employer with a policy against firearms on their property. When I work after hours, I do carry concealed. But I do that knowing I can, and probably would, be fired if I messed up and managed to let someone know I was carrying.

 

[Treo]

I feel that a policy such as this which advocates complete submission, even when facing death, is a violation of my rights.

Remember that when HR is walking you out the door (likely with Police escort) and you get turned down for unemployment because you were fired for legitimate cause.

I have decided to bring a small caliber semi-auto just in case my life is in jeopardy because I feel that alive and broke is better than being killed just to keep a job.

Remember to say exactly this when you are interviewing for your next position and they ask you “Why did you leave XYZ Corp. Mr. dad?” (This assumes that the hiring manager didn’t call XYZ and find out that you’re not eligible for rehire because you violated their (XYZ’s) work place violence policy and you even get an interview)

To clarify, I absolutely need the money, so looking for another job at this point is not an option.

Looking for another job isn't an option but losing your job is?

 

[The_Outlaw]

I have decided to bring a small caliber semi-auto just in case my life is in jeopardy because I feel that alive and broke is better than being killed just to keep a job. Am I overstepping or am I right? I'd like your opinions..

"Keep it secret, keep it safe." ~Gandalf the Gray~

 

[tricolordad]

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Looking for another job isn't an option but losing your job is?

The only reason anyone would find out would be because my life was in jeopardy. Until then, I cash my checks.

 

[tricolordad]

I believe in private property rights also, but your car is your property, and as far as I'm concerned, they have no right to tell you what you can or cannot keep in YOUR property. The fact that it's parked in THEIR parking lot is immaterial. Your car is your car and what's in it is no one's business but your own.

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We do have that preemption in WI...but I mean it will be in a pocket or ankle holster.

 

[Ringo]

Yup, it's called "CONCEALED" carry for a good reason.

~ Fight Crime-Shoot Back ~​

 

[dcselby1]

I just picked up a part time job to supplement my other part time job, but it is for a company that has a policy against employees having even a folding pocket knife on the property while on the job. The location is in a very high crime area (sadly, as it was the only place willing to pay what I need) and I will be working alone throughout the entire night. I am all for respecting property rights and not carrying where asked not to do so, but...while in the course of employment, I feel that a policy such as this which advocates complete submission, even when facing death, is a violation of my rights. This also happens to be a very wealthy corporation, and it is not an individual's property. I have decided to bring a small caliber semi-auto just in case my life is in jeopardy because I feel that alive and broke is better than being killed just to keep a job. Am I overstepping or am I right? I'd like your opinions.

To clarify, I absolutely need the money, so looking for another job at this point is not an option.

Since you seem to have such a difficult time following your employer's rules, what other policies will you fail to follow? If you believe so strongly, talk to your employer. What would your employer think if he read your post? Would he think you worthy of his trust? I doubt it. Have to admit, though, that we have a president who doesn't follow the rules either, so maybe it's acceptable nowadays or I'm just getting old.

 

[BC1]

I understand the need for safety. You could lose your job. You have to weigh the pros and cons. If I had a single employee working nights I wouldn't stop him from carrying his gun.

 

[tricolordad]

Since you seem to have such a difficult time following your employer's rules, what other policies will you fail to follow? If you believe so strongly, talk to your employer. What would your employer think if he read your post? Would he think you worthy of his trust? I doubt it. Have to admit, though, that we have a president who doesn't follow the rules either, so maybe it's acceptable nowadays or I'm just getting old.

I work to support my family, not to please the company.

 

[Treo]

The only reason anyone would find out would be because my life was in jeopardy. Until then, I cash my checks.

First I want to clarify that I'm not necessarily saying don't do it. I'm saying think it all the way through before you do.

That said, given the way you present yourself here I doubt you'll go one week before somebody knows

 

[tricolordad]

First I want to clarify that I'm not necessarily saying don't do it. I'm saying think it all the way through before you do.

That said, given the way you present yourself here I doubt you'll go one week before somebody knows

Awwwww did I hit a nerve son?

 

[the dark]

I'm all for private property rights, but in your place I would probably carry. Of course we must be honest that we are compromising ourselves in some ways by doing so - hard to be a hardcore believe in rights and then violate other's rights.

For folks like me - it complicates the hell out of this when your employer has its own police force so even a cursory stop could lead to exposure of a policy violation.

 

[Treo]

Awwwww did I hit a nerve son?

Proverbs 26:4-5
New King James Version (NKJV)

4 Do not answer a fool according to his folly,
Lest you also be like him.
5 Answer a fool according to his folly,
Lest he be wise in his own eyes.

 

[tricolordad]

Proverbs 26:4-5
New King James Version (NKJV)

4 Do not answer a fool according to his folly,
Lest you also be like him.
5 Answer a fool according to his folly,
Lest he be wise in his own eyes.

Here's one that describes you.

Luqman 31:19 "The harshest of all voices is the voice of an ass."

 

[Firefighterchen]

Screw your employer. Who cares if it's not your property, or that the person your disrespecting provides a cash flow to take care of you and your family. They didn't build their business anyways, do whatever you want, this is 'merica, only your Rights matter. :-D

 

[phillip69]

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I work to support my family, not to please the company.

Hate to say it, but as an employer, I disagree. If you want to break the rules as set up you should be fired. Instead work with the owner to sway him to see the lite of your ways. I agree you should be allowed to carry in this situation, but not if your employer says no: you are an employee and he is named the boss for a reason.

 

[devo-j]

You could approach them with the concept that if they do not allow you to carry, they will be held responsible for your safety. Which in essence is what they are doing. Worked for me at one place I worked.