Easier to shoot?/why carry?

[TheAmericanGreed]

If you didn't have to worry so much about the legal ramifications of shooting someone, (Meaning no gray area)would you be quicker to draw your weapon and use it.
Now before this becomes a rheterical question. Think about it please.

It just seems to me that everyone is so worried about whats going to happen to them after the fact, then the fact its self which is to protect onesself and others from harm. I mean a police officer almost have to be half dead to use DF on a law breaking citizen. Or for some might be the fact that you couldnt handle that on your concscience.

Why carry? A strong OC Spray and a X-26 would deter anyone from a fight. Less the legal work and better on your conscience.

I carry because I beleive if someone life is in danger it is my duty to help him/her out. It shouldn't matter if I had every single detail about it. Now I am not saying go and shoot up the town and become the next vigilante of America. Just do whats right morallyand use sound judgement. Hesitation can kill when thinking off of adrelaline and training

 

[Tucker's Mom]

Because I am getting old and slow and with constant practice, i believe my Glock is faster to meet my would-be assailant.leasantry:

 

[Edsworld]

Bingo!!!!!!!! WE have a winner!:biggrin:

 

[S&WM&P40]

If you didn't have to worry so much about the legal ramifications of shooting someone, (Meaning no gray area)would you be quicker to draw your weapon and use it.
Now before this becomes a rheterical question. Think about it please.

It just seems to me that everyone is so worried about whats going to happen to them after the fact, then the fact its self which is to protect onesself and others from harm. I mean a police officer almost have to be half dead to use DF on a law breaking citizen. Or for some might be the fact that you couldnt handle that on your concscience.

Why carry? A strong OC Spray and a X-26 would deter anyone from a fight. Less the legal work and better on your conscience.

I carry because I beleive if someone life is in danger it is my duty to help him/her out. It shouldn't matter if I had every single detail about it. Now I am not saying go and shoot up the town and become the next vigilante of America. Just do whats right morallyand use sound judgement. Hesitation can kill when thinking off of adrelaline and training[/QUOTE

I myself like most members also carry a less then lethal weapon be it a baton,Oc,stun gun, taser ect... Not every case calls for drawing your firearm yet you still need a means of defense. If your carrying a firearm you should have enough brains to know when to walk away or find away out with out having to use your firearm. Unlike a police officer it is not our job as a permit hold to keep the peace or to confront every BG. Also unlike a police officer I don't have a union paid legal team. Even if you did escape jail time more then likely you would still have years of lawsuits in civil court from family members suing you and or the person you shot suing you. It helps to already have your own POA(Plan of action) in your head and have your own EOFP (Escalation of force policy).

 

[kelcarry]

Ridiculous to anyone with an ounce of responsibility. Always, always, always comes down to imminent threat of great bodily injury or death. Nothing about that has anything to do with worrying about a lawsuit. In SC, if your presumption of imminent threat is correct and upheld, you are, by definition, immune from any criminal charge--but you are also immune from any civil suits.

 

[BlueMR2]

I myself like most members also carry a less then lethal weapon be it a baton,Oc,stun gun, taser ect...

Hmmm, better be careful with that. I've read about people getting nailed for "concealed weapon" for carrying those less lethal items. You may find yourself in the position of being legal to carry a gun, but NOT a baton, taser, or pepper spray (which are not included in my state's "concealed handgun" license). Stupid yes, but that's the way our laws are written, so be careful out there.

 

[Edsworld]

If the good guys go home alive(family, or whom ever) then that is all that matters.

The price for saving someones life can be high, but I think it is worth it.

Imo it is the same as cpr. Not just gonna walk by and do nothing.

 

[S&WM&P40]

Hmmm, better be careful with that. I've read about people getting nailed for "concealed weapon" for carrying those less lethal items. You may find yourself in the position of being legal to carry a gun, but NOT a baton, taser, or pepper spray (which are not included in my state's "concealed handgun" license). Stupid yes, but that's the way our laws are written, so be careful out there.

It's up to each individual person to confirm that what they carry is legal in their state. I would be more worried about getting nailed for trying to use wasp spray as a OC less then lethal weapon. People come on here all the time when someone asks about pepper spray and say "that's what wasp spray is for." I'm speaking about my state (NH) where it's legal to carry all of the above. Thanks to HB1665 being passed and signed into law you can now carry auto knifes as a EDC knife.

 

[S&WM&P40]

If the good guys go home alive(family, or whom ever) then that is all that matters.

The price for saving someones life can be high, but I think it is worth it.

Imo it is the same as cpr. Not just gonna walk by and do nothing.

The sad fact of the matter is that's just what happens. People in big city's walk right by and never help each other. The news is full of stories of this happening everyday.

 

[Nightmare45]

Can't carry wasp in Texas not LEO, 25 years as a paramedic, seen folks wasted on God knows what wade through some serious less that leathal stuff, also seen them continue to come when shot more than once, worked on a guy many years ago with 9 bullet holes in him and was still combative after being handcuffed by LEO. Do what is right if you are going to be concerned with outcome, don't carry and don't help, stay home.

Not LEO your job is to stay alert, protect self and family and help if necessay, you are not paid to be LEO.

 

[santa]

nothing would change. before i started to carry i thought long and hard about my own moral standards and religion and their compatibility with carring a gun. i realized that at times my beliefs were even more stringent than the law. so at least in my case and allowing for the laws where i live nothing would change.

 

[handgonnetoter]

I view carry as a last resort. Even if I were in a bank or something and someone started to rob the place, I probably would not try to pull my gun until they just started shooting or something. It is one of those things where we really don't know what to do until we are pushed into the situation. Hope I never have to go there, but if I do God help me.

 

[JJFlash]

If you didn't have to worry so much about the legal ramifications of shooting someone, (Meaning no gray area)would you be quicker to draw your weapon and use it.
Now before this becomes a rheterical question. Think about it please.

It just seems to me that everyone is so worried about whats going to happen to them after the fact, then the fact its self which is to protect onesself and others from harm. I mean a police officer almost have to be half dead to use DF on a law breaking citizen. Or for some might be the fact that you couldnt handle that on your concscience.

Why carry? A strong OC Spray and a X-26 would deter anyone from a fight. Less the legal work and better on your conscience.

I carry because I beleive if someone life is in danger it is my duty to help him/her out. It shouldn't matter if I had every single detail about it. Now I am not saying go and shoot up the town and become the next vigilante of America. Just do whats right morallyand use sound judgement. Hesitation can kill when thinking off of adrelaline and training

+1. So many of the posts say "run away", "don't draw your weapon", "take the punch" etc. that it makes me wonder why most carry in the first place.

You'll know if/when you need it. Better not be afraid to use it...and most importantly, better be proficient with it. That's the more serious issue, IMO. How many have trained and continue to train with a reputable instructor or school? I think most of us pass the very elementary test given by our respective states, then strap it on, and off we go. Maybe the lack of training is the cause for most of this angst about using the damn thing.

 

[S&WM&P40]

+1. So many of the posts say "run away", "don't draw your weapon", "take the punch" etc. that it makes me wonder why most carry in the first place.

You'll know if/when you need it. Better not be afraid to use it...and most importantly, better be proficient with it. That's the more serious issue, IMO. How many have trained and continue to train with a reputable instructor or school? I think most of us pass the very elementary test given by our respective states, then strap it on, and off we go. Maybe the lack of training is the cause for most of this angst about using the damn thing.

LOL. No one if afraid of using it. If you want to go out there guns a blazing every time some prick gets in your face go for it. Be sure to forward the forum your cell block number so we can keep you well supplied with soap on a rope. Part of being a responsible permit hold/firearm owner is knowing when to use it and when not to. Most of the members on this forum(I say most because we do/did have a few dirty harry wannabes) understand that taking a life is not something to be taken lightly. This idea of shoot at the first sign of conflict is NUTS! So when you see members say they would walk a way of if you can you should walk away. It's not them not being ready to use their firearms it's them fully understanding what using their firearms really means. Getting punched is not reason enough to draw a firearm(unless it's a gang attack).

 

[JJFlash]

LOL. No one if afraid of using it. If you want to go out there guns a blazing every time some prick gets in your face go for it. Be sure to forward the forum your cell block number so we can keep you well supplied with soap on a rope. Part of being a responsible permit hold/firearm owner is knowing when to use it and when not to. Most of the members on this forum(I say most because we do/did have a few dirty harry wannabes) understand that taking a life is not something to be taken lightly. This idea of shoot at the first sign of conflict is NUTS! So when you see members say they would walk a way of if you can you should walk away. It's not them not being ready to use their firearms it's them fully understanding what using their firearms really means. Getting punched is not reason enough to draw a firearm(unless it's a gang attack).

No need to be snarky. My main point is if we develop the mindset of being afraid to use the thing because of all the financial, emotional, legal considerations, there is the chance we become frozen in indecision when the time might come. And that indecision could cost you dearly.

I'm no Dirty Harry type, I'm older and have had CCW permits for the better part of 30 yrs. Have never even thought of using it, in that time. But, I'm very proficient with it, train extensively at a reputable school, and would use it if I had to.

You?

btw, you seem to infer a lot of things from my post: e.g., "shoot at the first sign of conflict", "guns a-blazing whenever some prick gets in your face", etc. I have many posts on this site. I challenge you to find ANY where I have espoused such opinions.

 

[S&WM&P40]

No need to be snarky. My main point is if we develop the mindset of being afraid to use the thing because of all the financial, emotional, legal considerations, there is the chance we become frozen in indecision when the time might come. And that indecision could cost you dearly.

I'm no Dirty Harry type, I'm older and have had CCW permits for the better part of 30 yrs. Have never even thought of using it, in that time. But, I'm very proficient with it, train extensively at a reputable school, and would use it if I had to.

You?

btw, you seem to infer a lot of things from my post: e.g., "shoot at the first sign of conflict", "guns a-blazing whenever some prick gets in your face", etc. I have many posts on this site. I challenge you to find ANY where I have espoused such opinions.

Sorry mate it seems the post come off the wrong way. It was in no way addressed at you personally it was more or less lumping many posts together(someone calls your wife a name,it starts with a punch etc..) None of my comments in general where aimed at you. I find it outstanding that so many members want to engage in all aspects of using a firearm for defense. Everyone seems to fully understand and respect what really would happen should you need to defend your life.That being said I have no doubt that should the same members find them self's in a situation where they needed to defend them self's they would do so with out thinking. The information on the forum covers every step(just about) and such information is a outstanding resource for new members or new permit holders.

 

[JJFlash]

Sorry mate it seems the post come off the wrong way. It was in no way addressed at you personally it was more or less lumping many posts together(someone calls your wife a name,it starts with a punch etc..) None of my comments in general where aimed at you. I find it outstanding that so many members want to engage in all aspects of using a firearm for defense. Everyone seems to fully understand and respect what really would happen should you need to defend your life.That being said I have no doubt that should the same members find them self's in a situation where they needed to defend them self's they would do so with out thinking. The information on the forum covers every step(just about) and such information is a outstanding resource for new members or new permit holders.

No problem. Tis often very difficult to get your point across in a medium such as this.

I must admit I did start that "insult my wife" thread a couple years ago, as an exploration into escalation issues. The damn thing was completely misunderstood by some (who accused me of wanting to shoot someone who insulted my wife, for crying out loud!) and just refuses to go away! Well...maybe that's the sign of a good thread, who knows?

 

[kelcarry]

Short sweet answer santa. I would add that at least following the law in SC is based on that "presumption of imminent threat of great bodily injury or death--literally for me, or anyone else around me (alter ego rule)". I also have looked in the mirror, so to speak, and have made a pact with myself on what this CC is all about, and whether or when I would even think of using same. It truly, IMO, is a very very very "last resort" and has very little room for a whole series of "what ifs" that get discussed on this forum.

 

[S&WM&P40]

No problem. Tis often very difficult to get your point across in a medium such as this.

I must admit I did start that "insult my wife" thread a couple years ago, as an exploration into escalation issues. The damn thing was completely misunderstood by some (who accused me of wanting to shoot someone who insulted my wife, for crying out loud!) and just refuses to go away! Well...maybe that's the sign of a good thread, who knows?

I made one reaply to that stating you should walk away LOL. Last time I checked that thing had pages of replys. It must be a good thread if people keep posting in it. :biggrin:

 

[TheAmericanGreed]

No need to be snarky. My main point is if we develop the mindset of being afraid to use the thing because of all the financial, emotional, legal considerations, there is the chance we become frozen in indecision when the time might come. And that indecision could cost you dearly.

I'm no Dirty Harry type, I'm older and have had CCW permits for the better part of 30 yrs. Have never even thought of using it, in that time. But, I'm very proficient with it, train extensively at a reputable school, and would use it if I had to.

You?

btw, you seem to infer a lot of things from my post: e.g., "shoot at the first sign of conflict", "guns a-blazing whenever some prick gets in your face", etc. I have many posts on this site. I challenge you to find ANY where I have espoused such opinions.

Thanks for understanding what it is that I'm trying to say. Some people seem they either always want to play Devils advocate or just get arguments started. But thats exactly what I was trying to say. I try to shoot as much as possible to become proficient and have that much more in my confidence in my shooting ability. not saying cocky and I cant miss attitude. And some say they would walk away from the scence, why? I respect what you say more than others here. so I hope you dont think I'm attacking you when i ask you that question.