Any word if there is any effort to remove the dual qualification standard to the MO carry permit law? I understand their supposed reason for it, but, I have several pistols but sold my last revolver about 15 years ago and, really would rather not have to try to qualify with a range gun that I have never shot before that day.
Dual qualification for CCW
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Tucker's Mom
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No sweat to do that...it is required. And most MO instructors can also allow you to qualify for Utah and Florida permits. Mine did.
By the way, are you going to the NRA convention here in St. Louis? It will be interesting...
That's incorrect! Those are likely from the OLD standards prior to the 8/28/2011 changes resulting from HB294. You'll actually be committing a crime with the affidavit you'll sign for the Sheriff stating that you comply with the Missouri concealed carry safety training requirements (false affidavit with the intent to obtain or defraud). Interestingly enough, the instructor can only be charged with a Misdemeanor.
Current MINIMUM standards:
50 round familiarization for Revolver
20 round qual for Revovler (hit 15 out of 20 on B-27 target at 21 feet)
50 round familiarization for Semiauto
20 round qual for Semiauto (hit 15 out of 20 on B-27 target at 21 feet)
Course (classroom and range combined) MUST be at least 8 hours in length
In most Counties, the coursework MUST be submitted to and approved by the Sheriff
To meet the Missouri standards: Link Removed
To obtain your qualification certificate from the Sheriff: Link Removed
Dave, the change occurred thanks to a business and a single politician (from Columbia) submitting the changes just 3 days before it went to the Governor's desk. The rest of the fools in JC didn't read the final bill, so they failed everyone in Missouri and invalidated thousands of training certificates of those who waited after receiving their training. Those people were forced to shoot the new standards and have a new certificate issued by their instructor. It isn't likely to change, more so if the National CCW reciprocity bill passes and is signed into law.
BEWARE of substandard courses in STL and KC, those locations are plagued with bad instructors. If you need a quality referral in those locations feel free to visit missouricarry.com and post up that you need a referral. If you identify one of those bad courses, let the missouricarry.com admin know who, where, and how to contact them so it can be turned over to law enforcement if not the Missouri Attorney General or simply do so yourself.
Tucker's Mom
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Yes. Yes. Yes. Hubby and I took our qualifications at missouricarry.com. They are great people over there and very knowledgeable. Their classes are always full but despite so, it feel like a one-on-one instruction per lesson. No one is left behind, so to speak. Besides it was fun too. Just too far away from where we live so by the time we got home, we were already exhausted.:redface:
Not a LIE - was a post from a site that gives the qual test
My goodness! A LIE!!?? It was not a lie - just a statement based on another site which gives the qualification test. If, if fact, it is in error, than go with the more stringent qualification. However; please do not call me or label me a liar! I sincerely object to that inflammatory remark.
STL Wolf
My goodness! A LIE!!?? It was not a lie - just a statement based on another site which gives the qualification test. If, if fact, it is in error, than go with the more stringent qualification. However; please do not call me or label me a liar! I sincerely object to that inflammatory remark.
STL Wolf
What I posted is what the law requires as of 8/28/2011. Clearly you failed to visit the link.
If you had posted the information directly from the Revised Statutes of Missouri you would have already known that it was incorrect. I'll retract and rewrite. The law changed on 8/28/2011 to require what I posted. If you are an instructor teaching what you posted then you are in violation of RSMO 571.111 (training requirements) listed here: Link Removed
Such a violation is a misdemeanor under Missouri law.
All training certificates issued prior to 8/28/2011 where the student failed to start the application process with the Sheriff of the County they reside in prior to said change are considered to be nullified. New certificates and often re-shoots were required to meet the new standards. If your instructor simply reissued the certificate and failed to make you re-shoot to meet the new standards (doubled the round count) then you both are in violation of the law. Instructor for issuing a false certificate where the student did not meet the minimum standards and the student for submitting a false affidavit to the Sheriff.
If anyone is a student and has taken or will be taking a class (on or after 8/28/11) touting that you can shoot less than the prescribed 20 rounds for qualification or less than the 50 rounds for familiarization out of EACH firearm then you are about to be in violation of the law by submitting a false affidavit to the Sheriff stating that you comply with the training standards within the statute.
Example: Instructor stops your qualification at 15 rounds because you hit the minimum rounds required to pass while shooting at 21 feet (7 yards) on a B27 target.
That is actually a violation of the law.
If you are one of those who falls prey to these kinds of tactics, feel free to seek out another instructor and send that name with contact information straight to the Sheriff as well as the Missouri Attorney General. Missouricarry.com has plenty of instructors on the board that are quality instructors and will certainly meet the minimums.
