Drunk Drivers

Itstjs

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This is FAR off topic, but wanted to share my experience tonight after getting off work.

So, New Years Eve/Morning, I worked Security at a bar in Detroit Michigan, was kind of an annoying night being one of the very few sober people there, was even worse when the bar closed, pushing people out of the bar, who clearly didnt plan on having a DD, nor were they planning on staying in the area at a local Hotel...Anyways, had to make my 60+ mile Journey back home, on I-75 [local Interstate Highway] My partner and I were driving about 70 mph, a Grey Jeep Cherokee began swerving ahead of us, hit the middle guard rail and did a 360 hitting the rear end of an Impala in the next lane. The Jeep was surprisingly still driving, swerving and severely damaged, rear driver side tire barley hanging on. The Impala managed to limp itself in reverse to the slow lane and couldnt make it any further.
My partner and I, driving a Marked Security car stopped traffic in the lane and contacted Police who were there in a matter of seconds. We watched at the Jeep drive OFF the ON ramp and slid into a telephone pole. The officer was tending to severe injuries in the Impala, we notified the officer of the whereabouts of the Jeep, he requested we block traffic around the Jeep as I assume the injuries in the jeep were severe as well [Not sure exactly why he asked us to help].

My partner and I used our patrol lights and made our way to the Jeep which had 3 passengers, the driver seen us [or so I assume] and managed to get out of the car and attempted to run. My partner and I managed to apprehend him after a VERY short chase on foot. We detained him until other Police units arrived. According to Officers he was 3xs the legal limit, they were surprised he made it as far away from the bar as he did [less than 10 miles]. He was charged with Super Drunk, Fleeing the scene of an accident, responsible for damages to the other vehicle [I guess he hit more than one] and God knows how many other charges. Officers thanked us, our Boss wasnt the happiest but understood why we helped Police....

Other injuries in the jeep were minor to my understanding, however, I seen at least 1 being hauled off on a stretcher, the other walked, the driver had minor injuries considering his airbag went off either way he was pretty cut up or at least appeared to be.

What aggravates me, with all this hype about "how dangerous Guns are" and we still havent managed to stop the #1 killer in America, drunk drivers. Theyre all slapped on the wrist while their victims are left mangled in emotions and bodily injuries, but were worried about Guns and the 95% less damages they cause in the hands of a FEW stupid people....Seems like politicians have things backwards.

I drink, I admit it, but Ive never gotten behind the wheel and thought I could make it home. Ive thought about it, but always tend to call someone, no matter what time it is, IF I was stupid enough not to bring a DD. Scary eventful night. Thought Id share it. Feel Free to post whatever.
 
Thanks for the telling of what probably was a harrowing night. May you have a happy, prosperous, and healthy new year.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. If people were serious about stopping DWI, then the Sheriff would deputize a few hundred people to stand out in parking lots of local bars and radio in license plates and descriptions of those getting behind a wheel of a car. Then a squad car would come and pick them up before they drove any substantial distance. You do several of these types of raids in a year, the community will wise up soon.

Agreed, once they get before the judge, the judge has to do his part too.

I have no problem if someone wants to get drunk. I only have a problem when that person endangers everyone on the road.
 
Well maybe if they banned high capacity tires, limited the number of doors in the car and didn't have any military features like fog lights this wouldn't happen. Let's stop the insanity and have "responsible" car ownership - maybe even having some roads that are car free zones or at least where you have to keep your car covered.

Just a thought
 
My partner and I used our patrol lights and made our way to the Jeep which had 3 passengers, the driver seen us [or so I assume] and managed to get out of the car and attempted to run. My partner and I managed to apprehend him after a VERY short chase on foot. We detained him until other Police units arrived.

Under what legal principle does a security guard have the authority to detain a suspect?
 
Under what legal principle does a security guard have the authority to detain a suspect?

I guess legally thats a grey area, but he was asked to help by a LEO who for sure would have detained the driver.

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Under what legal principle does a security guard have the authority to detain a suspect?

Citizens Arrest - YouTube

Gomer was on solid legal footing. Powers of arrest afforded to private citizens dates back to the common laws of England as far as the 15th Century, maybe before that. Nowadays in America, it is commonly reduced to statute with varying degrees of allowances and restrictions placed upon the citizen among the states, but I don't believe that any state outlaws the practice outright at this time.

This is a fairly typical prologue to a statute covering citizen's arrest powers from NY:

N.Y. Penal Law §35.30(4) :
A private person acting on his or her own account may use physical force, other than deadly physical force, upon another person when and to the extent that he or she reasonably believes such to be necessary to effect an arrest or to prevent the escape from custody of a person whom he or she reasonably believes to have committed an offense and who in fact has committed such offense......

It goes on from there to list the allowances and restrictions previously mentioned, but arrest powers are decidedly not only within the purview of uniformed and/or sworn LEO's, and I believe that to be true in every jurisdiction in America for the time being.

Disclaimer: The above is not intended to publish my personal views on the incident of a citizen's arrest being discussed in this thread, or of the prudence of citizens generally to engage in the practice. It is only intended to answer the question, "Under what legal principle does a security guard have the authority to detain a suspect?"

Those grey areas will get your ass incarcerated reall quick

Only by cops who refuse to follow the law would that be true as long as the citizen who affects the arrest did follow the law.

Blues
 
Under what legal principle does a security guard have the authority to detain a suspect?

In PA, (yes I'm aware this happened in MI... just providing food for thought), a citizen has the same legal authority to arrest someone that a LEO has. Therefore, a security guard detaining someone, at least here, would be a OK.

Also, in this situation, he was performing these actions under authority of the LEO.
 
Under what legal principle does a security guard have the authority to detain a suspect?

Security or any legal citizen in any state can detain a person or conduct a citizens arrest if a felony has been committed in their presence, you are also able to use reasonable force to conduct such arrest/detainment to subdue that person.
 
Those grey areas will get your ass incarcerated reall quick

To clear the air as well, I have been working Armed Security for about 4 years now. I have arrested, detained and been to court to defend my actions and to testify against persons in the past. I am fully aware of what I can and can not do. If I am asked to assist an LEO I will do so, you may or may not feel the same way. I will not be incarcerated, and I have since been summonsed to court to deal with this incident and to be a witness against the Drunk Driver.
 
I'm fortunate in that I can't drink alcohol as I have a very serious reaction to alcohol...I break out in hand cuffs! Haven't even had a beer in 25 years and don't miss it a bit!
 
Security or any legal citizen in any state can detain a person or conduct a citizens arrest if a felony has been committed in their presence, you are also able to use reasonable force to conduct such arrest/detainment to subdue that person.

What felony was committed in your presence?
 

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