Driving through several states


hankdog101

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I live in MO, have a FL CCW permit. I know the states that honor my permit. Question is are there cities within these states that don't allow CCW and if so how would I find out that info?

Thanks
 

Tammy Cedo

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Your local library or gun store should have a copy of the Concealed Laws for each state. We got ours from our Range. I do not think individual cities can not allow CPL if the state allows it. I could be wrong though. Good luck.
 

Tim DeKock

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I believe if the state has CCW laws you should be ok. Open carry is another thing. Keep your firearm secured properly if driving in Illinois. Be safe and check the laws in each state you travel through.
 

DRNurse1

DRNurse1
Pennsylvania is an exception. In First Class Cities (don't argue that), state issued CCP holder's are restricted from carrying inside the city limits by state law. Philadelphia has an interesting issue with the National Park Service controlling many properties within the city.

My fall back position is to follow the Federal transportation rule (separate locked containers for firearms and ammunition, no loaded magazines) and if I am concerned (I have to go through NYC occasionally) I disassemble my firearm and separate the receiver from the other 'machine parts.' This will not stop a zealous LEO from 'enforcing' a 'law' and wreaking havoc on your life, but it might show your intent to comply rather than your intent to flout the 'law.' But this is just an non- lawyer $0.02 comment anyway.


Your local library or gun store should have a copy of the Concealed Laws for each state. We got ours from our Range. I do not think individual cities can not allow CPL if the state allows it. I could be wrong though. Good luck.
 
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Curmudgeon

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Pennsylvania is an exception. First Class Cities (don't argue that) can restrict state issued CCP holder's from carrying inside the city limits. Philadelphia has an interesting issue with the federal Park Service controlling many properties within the city. My fall back position is to follow the Federal transportation rule (separate locked containers for firearms and ammunition, no loaded magazines) and if I am concerned (I have to go through NYC occasionally) I disassemble my firearm and separate the receiver from the other 'machine parts.' This will not stop a zealous LEO from 'enforcing' a 'law' and wreaking havoc on your life, but it might show your intent to comply rather than your intent to flout the 'law.' But this is just an non- lawyer $0.02 comment anyway.

Can you clarify your first 2 sentences by rewording them? Philly is preempted from restricting carry by s. 6120. It is the state legislature that governs carry in Philly, not Philly.

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Rhino

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I live in MO, have a FL CCW permit. I know the states that honor my permit. Question is are there cities within these states that don't allow CCW and if so how would I find out that info?

Thanks
Within MO and FL, no. They both have preemption. But you didn't identify the "several states" you're going to drive through, so it's impossible to say if you'd have an issue with local restrictions. Your next door neighbor state of Illinois for instance does not have preemption. Local jurisdictions can and do pass their own restrictions, and it's virtually impossible to know them all.
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Don't count on your local library to have the scoop on concealed carry laws either. Most libraries don't have reliable information on the statutes within their own state, much less those of other states. The most reliable source for all state concealed carry laws is probably Handgunlaw.us, but even they may not be 100% accurate. Laws change all the time. It really depends on where you're going. A trip from Missouri to Florida for instance would pose no problem for you as long as you didn't pass through Illinois. All the states on that route recognize your Florida license. You could even pass through South Carolina, which doesn't recognize a non-resident Florida license, and still have no problem as long as you comply with the mandated travel requirements. That's because South Carolina isn't a draconian police state like Illinois.
 

apvbguy

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Can you clarify your first 2 sentences by rewording them? Philly is preempted from restricting carry by s. 6120. It is the state legislature that governs carry in Philly, not Philly.

that is true however you still may wind up taking an unplanned visit to a cop shop.
the Philadelphia PD sometimes makes up the law as it needs to
 

Curmudgeon

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Pennsylvania is an exception. In First Class Cities (don't argue that), state issued CCP holder's are restricted from carrying inside the city limits by state law. Philadelphia has an interesting issue with the National Park Service controlling many properties within the city.

My fall back position is to follow the Federal transportation rule (separate locked containers for firearms and ammunition, no loaded magazines) and if I am concerned (I have to go through NYC occasionally) I disassemble my firearm and separate the receiver from the other 'machine parts.' This will not stop a zealous LEO from 'enforcing' a 'law' and wreaking havoc on your life, but it might show your intent to comply rather than your intent to flout the 'law.' But this is just an non- lawyer $0.02 comment anyway.


The part I made bold is completely wrong. I have no idea where you go this information, but at this point I think I'm just going to ask
for a citation of law. Both open carry and concealed carry are legal, in Philadelphia, inside city limits, or however else you want to say it.
LEGAL. By state law. Please stop spreading misinformation.

Here's mine:

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18 Pa.C.S. § 6108. Carrying firearms on public streets or public property

in Philadelphia.
No person shall carry a firearm, rifle or shotgun at any time upon the public streets or upon any

public property in a city of the first class unless:
(1) such person is licensed to carry a firearm; or
(2) such person is exempt from licensing under section 6106(b) of this title (relating to firearms

not to be carried without a license).
Cross References. Section 6108 is referred to in section
6109 of this title.
Source: The Pennsylvania General Assembly

Additionally, open carry and concealed carry is legal in National Parks since February 2010. You cannot carry in National Park buildings where
federal employees regularly report and perform their duties, but the parks are OK.


I did not know about that...thanks DRNurse1.

Please research the laws you are concerned with. I am worried you may now possess incorrect information.
Know the laws and where to find them and read them. Example: Link Removed

that is true however you still may wind up taking an unplanned visit to a cop shop.
the Philadelphia PD sometimes makes up the law as it needs to

No, they don't. The Philly PD is preempted from "making up the law as it needs to", and any police or government
agency or official that attempts to is in violation of one or several state laws.

To be sure, the Philly PD can be a rogue and criminal department, acting almost without restraint, but they are NOT
acting within the law when they do, and you have recourse!
You could end up crosswise with a cop ANYWHERE, and forums like these are filled with the accounts of law-abiding
citizens getting jacked-up by cops who are out of line, one doesn't have to go to Philly to experience this.

Philly just passed an ordinance making weapons possession illegal in all city parks in blatant violation of state law. So
about 100 of us got together and spent the day in several Philly parks, openly carrying both pistols and long guns. Not
only was no one arrested or cited, we marched about 10 blocks with a police escort and several news crews. We even
had a permit for our open carry gathering, specifically listing a city park as our meeting and starting point.

One of our group called the Office of the District Attorney for the City of Philadelphia and was told by an ADA that they
knew the Philly ordinance was illegal and they had no intention of citing anyone at any time for a violation.
They know that as soon as they do, that person now has standing to sue the city and file criminal complaints against
everyone involved in passing the ordinance, in addition to filing a section 1983 civil suit in federal court.

They are thugs, they are punks, and they are cowards, but they are not stupid. Sometimes.
 

DRNurse1

DRNurse1
Thank you for correcting my old information. I was last in Philly around 2008, then did an unarmed tourist thing with my family last year. Had to toss my nice case knofe when the kidds wanted to visit the mint.....no refunds.

I hope I can contribute more useful posts ans I shall try to verify my information before posting. The only contribution of value from my first post is to use the federal transportation rules as a fall back position if you are not certain of the local laws.
 

NavyLCDR

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I hope I can contribute more useful posts ans I shall try to verify my information before posting. The only contribution of value from my first post is to use the federal transportation rules as a fall back position if you are not certain of the local laws.
My fall back position is to follow the Federal transportation rule (separate locked containers for firearms and ammunition, no loaded magazines)

Respectfully, the "Federal transportation rule" that you refer to is 18 USC 926A. The law does not require magazines to be unloaded, nor does it require ammunition to be separated from the firearms.

18 USC § 926A - Interstate transportation of firearms | Title 18 - Crimes and Criminal Procedure | U.S. Code | LII / Legal Information Institute

Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any person who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if, during such transportation the firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition being transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from the passenger compartment of such transporting vehicle: Provided, That in the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver’s compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console.
 

B2Tall

Stirrer of the Pot
Be careful.....even though you may be in full compliance with the Fed's transportation laws, several of the restrictive states & cities (NJ, IL, NYC) allow such laws to be used only as an "affirmative defense". That's a fancy way of saying that you're guilty until proven innocent. You can still be arrested, have your firearms confiscated, etc., and have to go through all the associated BS just to clear the matter up. Also, Federal law does not permit you to bring banned weapons or magazines into states (i.e. assault rifles into NJ, hi-cap mags into CA, etc.). Any attempt to do so subjects you to the full penalty of law in those states regardless of current Federal laws and your compliance with them. Also, "traveling through" has different definitions in different states. Don't expect to be able to stay a week with your firearms locked in your trunk.
 

hankdog101

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Within MO and FL, no. They both have preemption. But you didn't identify the "several states" you're going to drive through, so it's impossible to say if you'd have an issue with local restrictions. Your next door neighbor state of Illinois for instance does not have preemption. Local jurisdictions can and do pass their own restrictions, and it's virtually impossible to know them all.
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Don't count on your local library to have the scoop on concealed carry laws either. Most libraries don't have reliable information on the statutes within their own state, much less those of other states. The most reliable source for all state concealed carry laws is probably Handgunlaw.us, but even they may not be 100% accurate. Laws change all the time. It really depends on where you're going. A trip from Missouri to Florida for instance would pose no problem for you as long as you didn't pass through Illinois. All the states on that route recognize your Florida license. You could even pass through South Carolina, which doesn't recognize a non-resident Florida license, and still have no problem as long as you comply with the mandated travel requirements. That's because South Carolina isn't a draconian police state like Illinois.

Going to avoid IL, we go through KY, TN, GA and AL. Didn't know if any citiess in these states would have a restriction and how to find out. Is that even possible, a state allows CCW permits but cities in those state say "not in our town"
 

Rhino

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No worries about local restrictions in those states. I travel through them fairly regularly. You don't even need a license or permit to have a loaded gun on the seat of your car while travelling in Georgia. I wouldn't want to be the one testing that out with a state trooper at my window, but that's what their law says.
 

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