Drew My Gun Earlier This Evening

[B2Tall]

Tell that to my buddy who almost died from a set of car keys to the neck. Missed his jugular by less than a quarter of an inch. Besides what was the crook going to do call 911 and say what? Thats right the first gun out wins the second gets burried! Some one robbing your car is not going to call the cops. But he might shoot you!!

Oh! The guy had a set of car keys (slap to the forehead)! Well I guess that makes him a legitimate target then, right?? Wrong.

No threats, no legitimate weapon, not advancing on our "victim" (the same "victim" who allegedly has people randomly attack him in his car without provocation), and the encounter occured in a public place (i.e. no castle doctrine in play). And the "fails" just keep on comin' for Mr. "Warrior".

"Well you see, judge.......he jingled his car keys at me....and where I grew up, that's a deadly threat...."

 

[B2Tall]

It will only be a matter of time before you get yourself into trouble with the law. I would strongly suggest you retain the best criminal defense attorney you can afford, and be sure that you have plenty of bail money handy.

Guys like you mess things up for the rest of us.

He might also want to hink about carrying a "throw away" gun that he can put in his victim's hand after he shoots them. That way our brave "Warrior" can stay out of jail and continue to make the world safer by shooting people who jingle keys in his direction.

 

[Treo]

While I agree with your telling the individual its your vehicle and they need to leave, I'm still left wondering why your gun is in your hand.

I didn't say my gun was in my hand I said my hand was on my gun.

I'd also like to point out the JW is elderly and disabled had the wanna be thief chosen to attack JW wouldn't have been able to go toe to toe w/ him.

I believe JW had an obligation to confront the guy. What would you have him do walk away and watch the guy rob his vehicle? How many of you would have done that?

Given he had an obligation , he'd have been a fool not to have been prepared for whatever reaction he was going to get.

All in all the incident ended well no robbery and no one went home w/ any more holes than they came with.

Some of you would beach if you were hung with a new rope

 

[jahwarrior72]

I didn't say my gun was in my hand I said my hand was on my gun.

I'd also like to point out the JW is elderly and disabled had the wanna be thief chosen to attack JW wouldn't have been able to go toe to toe w/ him.

I believe JW had an obligation to confront the guy. What would you have him do walk away and watch the guy rob his vehicle? How many of you would have done that?

Given he had an obligation , he'd have been a fool not to have been prepared for whatever reaction he was going to get.

All in all the incident ended well no robbery and no one went home w/ any more holes than they came with.

Some of you would beach if you were hung with a new rope

Hey! I'm just 40 years old!

 

[Rich_S]

Tell that to my buddy who almost died from a set of car keys to the neck. Missed his jugular by less than a quarter of an inch. Besides what was the crook going to do call 911 and say what? Thats right the first gun out wins the second gets burried! Some one robbing your car is not going to call the cops. But he might shoot you!!

What the crook could easily say is I was walking through the parking lot and this guy pulled a gun on me. How would the OP prove his car was being cased? It was not a good move to draw in this scenario.

What would I do? Press the panic button on the remote and see if the blaring horn would scare him off...which it likely would.

 

[S&W645]

I didn't say my gun was in my hand I said my hand was on my gun.

I'd also like to point out the JW is elderly and disabled had the wanna be thief chosen to attack JW wouldn't have been able to go toe to toe w/ him.

I believe JW had an obligation to confront the guy. What would you have him do walk away and watch the guy rob his vehicle? How many of you would have done that?

Given he had an obligation , he'd have been a fool not to have been prepared for whatever reaction he was going to get.

All in all the incident ended well no robbery and no one went home w/ any more holes than they came with.

Some of you would beach if you were hung with a new rope

Guess you missed this statement.

"I dunno." I was carrying a 1911, but it was under my coat and sweatshirt. I had a Baby Browning .25 in my pocket, though, so slid my .25 out of my pocket. "What do you think I should do?"

Gun in hand.

 

[jahwarrior72]

What would I do? Press the panic button on the remote and see if the blaring horn would scare him off...which it likely would.

Hmmmm. Okay, I'll admit, this never even crossed my mind, and it's a pretty good idea. However, I think it would only work if I'd saw him from afar. Doing it at the point when I walked up on him would've defeated the purpose. Still, I'm going to remember this. Thanks.

 

[B2Tall]

I didn't say my gun was in my hand I said my hand was on my gun.

That's exactly where my hand would have been in this situation

I'd also like to point out the JW is elderly and disabled had the wanna be thief chosen to attack JW wouldn't have been able to go toe to toe w/ him.

He is neither.

I believe JW had an obligation to confront the guy. What would you have him do walk away and watch the guy rob his vehicle? How many of you would have done that?

Confront?? Yes, but it's not necessary have a drawn pistol in order to confront someone. Hand in pocket on the pistol, safe distance, "Can I help you??". There's nothing in my truck worth dying for or worth killing someone over. I keep it unlocked so nobody has to damage it if they want to get in and take a look around.

Given he had an obligation , he'd have been a fool not to have been prepared for whatever reaction he was going to get.

Agree, but "prepared" doesn't mean draw on someone who has no visible weapon, hasn't threatened you, and isn't advancing towards you.

All in all the incident ended well no robbery and no one went home w/ any more holes than they came with.

And the OP is just as lucky as the "BG"...lucky he didn't get shot and lucky nobody called the cops on him. A bystander (especially one who wasn't privy to the conversation) could have easily called the police: "Well officer, the two guys were talking about something and the guy with the dog food pulled out a gun. No, I didn't see a weapon in the other guy's hands, just his keys....he was just standing there and the other dude pulled his gun. Yeah, I got his license plate number.....".

It's happened before.

 

[Rich_S]

Hmmmm. Okay, I'll admit, this never even crossed my mind, and it's a pretty good idea. However, I think it would only work if I'd saw him from afar. Doing it at the point when I walked up on him would've defeated the purpose. Still, I'm going to remember this. Thanks.

Hey...no problem. Just remember anytime you draw that gun a lot of bad things can happen. That's why you have to limit those times to only "I'm dead if I don't draw right now." As far as this scenario, what would be more hassle? Ma's broken car window or 40K in legal fees to defend yourself for shooting some POS?

 

[IWLAFART]

I have been carrying for quite a few years and I carry concealed and am not opposed to open carry. I am now a senior citizen (74yr) and have never been in a threatening situation. SA is a very important part of carrying to keep you out of trouble. Just sayin.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Interesting.
I've been in exactly the same situation at a restaurant. One guy was sitting in a pickup and the other was casing the car......claimed he wanted to know if it was for sale.

Some would have stood there and watched him break the window and rob the car, while doing nothing.
Others advocate calling the police immediately and hoping the guy is still around in 20 minutes when the cops get there.
Or even calling 911 after the fact to report, what?
Others think agressive opposition is the proper action.

After decades of experience I think he did the right thing. He stopped a seemingly obvious "snatch and grab" car robbery and probably made the crook think twice about the next job.
Odds are pretty slim of being charged with brandishing by a thief.

Let's face it people. This is not a nice world to live in, and WE must instruct the unethical people in the proper conduct.

 

[WOP2]

No, I didn't call the police. I'm a firm believer of not talking to the police unless I really have to. The guy left, I got in the car and left. No further action necessary. It would have been pointless to call the cops, unless I was in the mood to be stand in the freezing cold, questioned about the situation, have my gun secured so they could "run the numbers" (illegal in my state), and get berated for not calling them first.

I caught a guy looking into a car that was legally in my possession, casing it in all likelihood, and when I called his bluff, he got aggressive. In PA, if he'd made an aggressive move, I have legal standing to use deadly force. Note that I never pointed the gun at him, I only took it out of my pocket. There are also no "brandishing" laws in PA, if anyone's curious. Even if they managed to find this guy, and pick him up, he'd be on the street in a week. More waste of my tax dollars. It'll be cheaper if he attempts this again, or tries to rob someone, and gets shot for his troubles.

Trolling? I have to have 200 or more posts here to be taken seriously? That's cute. I guess, if I'm still here in a year, you can come back and read this again, and it won't be so trolly sounding.

I don't think you are a troll, first of all. You presented a scenario where, as happens perhaps 2.5 million times each year, the mere presence of a gun defused what could have been a dicey situation. I must, however, as a student of Castle Doctrine, tell you that in a one on one encounter, yes, you could have stood your ground, as there is no duty to retreat anymore. Absent his showing a weapon, you absolutely would NOT have been justified under Act 10 in the use of lethal force. Even if he were larger, younger, and stronger, had you fired a shot you would have been in a pickle. And that my friend, is why you should call your state rep and demand that Ron Marsico, the chair of the Judiciary Committee, take up HB 1860 (Saccone-R-39th), pass it out of Judiciary and on to the full house. Castle Doctrine is not a license to shoot, and does not address disparity of force. HB 1860 does. You are very fortunate that he didn't call the police, because generally speaking the guy who calls first wins the day, especially if he's not armed. Unfortunately, its all in the hands of the District Attorney. In Philadelphia or Pittsburgh, you'd probably go to jail. In Westmoreland County, DA Peck, a notorious anti-gunner, would have jailed you. I suggest you go to title 18 and carefully read the rules for use of deadly force. Reliance on Castle Doctrine alone is foolhardy.

 

[firelooker]

Sounds to me like you did the right thing. As for the trolling remarks- I fail to see why others on this site are saying this. You didn't use any name calling or any other things that I've seen on other sites where someone was accused of being a troll.

 

[B2Tall]

Reliance on Castle Doctrine alone is foolhardy.

The way the OPer continues to quote state law in order to justify his actions is akin to a drunk driver telling everyone it's OK because he can legally drink and he has a valid DL. Legally carrying a pistol and the right to defend oneself is not a license to kill.

 

[Rich_S]

The way the OPer continues to quote state law in order to justify his actions is akin to a drunk driver telling everyone it's OK because he can legally drink and he has a valid DL. Legally carrying a pistol and the right to defend oneself is not a license to kill.

He may be double O numbered....we don't know for sure

 

[agrippakc]

To everyone who is following this:
1) I would have called the cops to say there was (insert description here) male looking in my car window in the parking lot.
2) I would have put my hand in my pocket on my piece to prepare but not show.
3) If he looked like he was going to actually break into the car I would have yelled something like, 'Hey, you with the face... ya you, the one on camera right now."
4) If he ran, wait for police and actually talk to them to let them know some creep-douche bag is loose in the 'hood.
5) Since I never had to draw and there is no duty to inform in my state I would have left after that and slept well knowing I did the right thing.

We all carry in case there is an immediate threat (sound familiar?) not to escalate a simple F-you rooster strut into a crime scene. Use you heads people and be cool.

 

[jahwarrior72]

The way the OPer continues to quote state law in order to justify his actions is akin to a drunk driver telling everyone it's OK because he can legally drink and he has a valid DL. Legally carrying a pistol and the right to defend oneself is not a license to kill.

This is like comparing apples to...hyenas.

 

[B2Tall]

This is like comparing apples to...hyenas.

No, it's not. It means that having a license to carry a firearm and having the right to defend yourself doesn't give you the right to pull a gun on anyone and claim self defense as a justification, just as being old enough to drink and having a DL doesn't mean you can get trashed and drive a car. There's a whole bunch of criteria that have to be met first, and your scenario failed on every count.

It's obvious you came to this site looking for justification for your highly questionable actions. Why else would you have started this thread?? You didn't ask any questions....there was no moral to your story, no lesson you were trying to impart.....you just wanted to say "Hey everyone, look what I did!" You want people to give you a pat on the back. Well, for the most part, you've come to the wrong place.

 

[Treo]

t's obvious you came to this site looking for justification for your highly questionable actions. else would you have started this thread?? You didn't ask any questions....there was no moral to your story, no lesson you were trying to impart.....you just wanted to say "Hey everyone, look what I did!" You want people to give you a pat on the back. Well, for the most part, you've come to the wrong place.

Objection. Assumes facts not in evidence.

I'd think JW jumped the gun a little but IMO he was 100% justified to get on the thief's case.

As for the "elderly" thing My apologies I'm not sure where I picked that up but I was under that impression waaay back in my THR days.

 

[B2Tall]

Objection. Assumes facts not in evidence.

I'd think JW jumped the gun a little but IMO he was 100% justified to get on the thief's case.

As for the "elderly" thing My apologies I'm not sure where I picked that up but I was under that impression waaay back in my THR days.

OK, correction - it's obvious to me....and probably to quite a few others based on the number of people raking him over the coals.