Does Pro choice = Pro Abortion???


Gun for Hire

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I had a discussion with a family member today and I said something that offended them I wanted to ask you all what you thought. I know people would consider me old school conservative even though I am only 25.

I also know that when it comes to topics like this EVERYONE has different views and thats ok. I hope nothing crazy gets started because of my question, with all that said here it is....

Do you think that if someone is pro choice they are pro abortion????
Or can you believe that the woman has the right to choose even though you don't like the idea of abortion. I really look forward to hearing everyone on this one.
 

Brainchild

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Are you SURE you look forward to hearing from everyone on this?
Ok,I'll go first.I think it does.I understand that if someone is pro choice,that does not automatically mean that they will definitely get an abortion at some point.I do understand that.But if they are pro choice,then they are saying on some level that it is ok.I believe that a woman does have a choice.She has the same choice a man has whether or not to have unprotected sex.Before I get berated and get stuff thrown at me,I DO understand that there are cases in which the woman does not have a choice,i.e. rape.But in cases that do not involve rape,that is her choice.Once a babe is conceived,the choice has been made.Does she,or her boyfriend or her parents have the right to kill the unborne child?I say no.To my way of thinking,when a baby is conceived,it is a real live person.And there are two reasons to kill;to protect and to eat.I think abortion is wrong.It is murder,and thus is against the will of God,and,two,it violates the Constitution,in that the person doing it is depriving another person of their life without due process of law.
You asked for it.
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I guess I'm old school conservative too.
 

Unearthed

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This could get ugly but I'll throw my $.02 in anyway. I don't support abortion, I don't believe in abortion, but I don't think we should have laws banning abortion. So I am pro-choice, but anti-abortion.

Don't get all worked up everybody...I'm a bit of an anarchist.
 
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Gun for Hire

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Thank you guys for your feedback. I look forward to hearing from more of you. As I said I know that if there are 10 people to post on this thread there will be 10 different opinions and thats cool. We are all adults so I know we can handle different points of view.

I would like to share mine.

IMHO if you are pro-choice and you believe the woman has the right to decide if she wants to kill her child because it would inconvenience her life, by giving her that choice you are saying if she decides to do it then it is ok. I would think if you didn't agree with abortion then you would not want a woman to have that as an option.

That is just my thoughts on it. I really would like to hear from more people on this but I know it is a touchy subject. So if you don't feel comfortable talking about it that's ok.
 

Red Hat

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Yes, Pro-Choice is Pro-Abortion! Pro-Choice is a desensitized, PC term that the Pro-Abortion crowd termed.
 

boris

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you bet!!

+1 to red hat and hk4u. this is no better than islamo-facism and nazism and stalinism. people who believe in abortion believe in murder, but not the death penalty. go figure.
 
Pro-choice = Pro-abortion. I believe it's that simple. There is a middle ground such as allowing abortion in the case of rape or when pregnancy is a danger to the woman. Pro-choice is tantamount to allowing abortion as a form of birth control and there are far to many preventative forms of birth control available. Just my opinion.
 

HK4U

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abortion

+1 to red hat and hk4u. this is no better than islamo-facism and nazism and stalinism. people who believe in abortion believe in murder, but not the death penalty. go figure.


Boris you are right on here. I have never been able to figure out how a bleeding heart liberal can be against the death penalty but be in favor of murdering the most innocent. I guess to some a low life killer has more rights than a baby. You are right. Go figure.
 

CLAYBROOK

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Pro choice = pro abortion. Abortion = killing and killing = murder. Especially when it's an innocent and defensless human life. There is no middle ground on this. If after the pic that HK4U posted you still don't think so then you are more unreasonable then the anti 2A people we all disagree with so much that it hurts.

Nothing makes me more sick and angry than photos like that!!
 

GregRN

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Whether or not a person is for or against abortion always comes down to the one point that no one is willing to go into. That is whether or not a "fetus" is a human life. To be pro-abortion (or pro-choice, same thing) means that you don't believe the forming child in the womb is a living human being. Yes, they mean the same thing. There are only 2 choices available, life or death. If you give the choice for a person to choose the death, you are also choosing that death. But, I believe it is acceptable to take a life to save another.
 

LVLouisCyphre

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My take...

I'm pro-gun/2A, pro-choice, pro-business, pro-free enterprise, pro-euthanasia and pro-death penalty.

The reason for my pro-choice stance is that because of the simple fact it's not my place or decision to make. We don't know when a fetus is alive or a better term; sentient being. I have also worked in a psych hospital and a line of work where I carried firearms for a living. Society would have been much better if some of the so called persons I've dealt with weren't born. One of my past shall we say "customers" is still wanted in Nevada for murder 2 the second time after doing a decade for murder 2. Those of us who know this person knows he needs to be put down like a rabid dog. If he's ever out on the street, he will kill. He has once, alledgedly a second time.

You anti-choice people don't factor into the equation that if a female who is incapable of taking care of herself much less a child, what is the child going to become? Is another predator being created that we are going to have to use our firearms against? Sure there's the adoption but who's say that the persons adopting the child aren't also doing society a disservice because they are only in it for monetary gain from socialist programs. What type of monster will be created in that instance?

While I am generally conservative, I am logical about many issues. A pet incident of mine similar to the pro-choice argment is the Terri Schiavo fiasco.
The government had no business getting involved in that. The pathology report also stated that she was brain dead except for her autonomic nervous system. Unfortunately the EMTs weren't quite fast enough to save her brain.
 

HK4U

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Choice?

I'm pro-gun/2A, pro-choice, pro-business, pro-free enterprise, pro-euthanasia and pro-death penalty.

The reason for my pro-choice stance is that because of the simple fact it's not my place or decision to make. We don't know when a fetus is alive or a better term; sentient being. I have also worked in a psych hospital and a line of work where I carried firearms for a living. Society would have been much better if some of the so called persons I've dealt with weren't born. One of my past shall we say "customers" is still wanted in Nevada for murder 2 the second time after doing a decade for murder 2. Those of us who know this person knows he needs to be put down like a rabid dog. If he's ever out on the street, he will kill. He has once, alledgedly a second time.

You anti-choice people don't factor into the equation that if a female who is incapable of taking care of herself much less a child, what is the child going to become? Is another predator being created that we are going to have to use our firearms against? Sure there's the adoption but who's say that the persons adopting the child aren't also doing society a disservice because they are only in it for monetary gain from socialist programs. What type of monster will be created in that instance?

While I am generally conservative, I am logical about many issues. A pet incident of mine similar to the pro-choice argment is the Terri Schiavo fiasco.
The government had no business getting involved in that. The pathology report also stated that she was brain dead except for her autonomic nervous system. Unfortunately the EMTs weren't quite fast enough to save her brain.


CHOICE? The murdered baby does not get a choice. Be sure you look at the site I posted of the murdered baby before you are quick to dismiss this life. The woman that chooses to have sex makes her choice. There are always consequences for actions. Many adults do not want to accept theirs. There is nothing more revolting than murdering a baby as a form of birth controle.
 

RMcLeod21

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A woman's opinion:
Pro-choice = Pro-Abortion.

I am against abortion. I feel the only time a woman should abort a living being is in the case of rape or complicated pregnancy in which the woman's life is in danger.

That being said, IF we pass an anti-abortion law, will women still have the right to abort in the circumstances listed above? We as gun owners will fight tooth and nail to not have our rights taken away, would it be fair to take away a woman's right and force her to carry and give birth to a child who was the product of a violent crime?

The question is...when and where do you draw the line?
 

CLAYBROOK

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I'm pro-gun/2A, pro-choice, pro-business, pro-free enterprise, pro-euthanasia and pro-death penalty.

The reason for my pro-choice stance is that because of the simple fact it's not my place or decision to make. We don't know when a fetus is alive or a better term; sentient being. I have also worked in a psych hospital and a line of work where I carried firearms for a living. Society would have been much better if some of the so called persons I've dealt with weren't born. One of my past shall we say "customers" is still wanted in Nevada for murder 2 the second time after doing a decade for murder 2. Those of us who know this person knows he needs to be put down like a rabid dog. If he's ever out on the street, he will kill. He has once, alledgedly a second time.

You anti-choice people don't factor into the equation that if a female who is incapable of taking care of herself much less a child, what is the child going to become? Is another predator being created that we are going to have to use our firearms against? Sure there's the adoption but who's say that the persons adopting the child aren't also doing society a disservice because they are only in it for monetary gain from socialist programs. What type of monster will be created in that instance?

While I am generally conservative, I am logical about many issues. A pet incident of mine similar to the pro-choice argment is the Terri Schiavo fiasco.
The government had no business getting involved in that. The pathology report also stated that she was brain dead except for her autonomic nervous system. Unfortunately the EMTs weren't quite fast enough to save her brain.


You said it yourself. "We don't know when a fetus is alive or a better term; sentient being." Sounds like a reason not to do an abortion, not the opposite. Would you be willing to point a gun at someone and pull the trigger if you weren't absolutely sure they posed a serious threat? If you decide to take a life, you had better be sure it's the right thing to do.

If a woman is not capable of raising a child then adoption is the answer? It sounds like to me that you would be willing to kill an unborn child just because it might not have a perfect life or because it might not become a good person, or because someone might exploit the adoption program for monetary gains. Of all the arguments I've heard, this is absolutely the most ridiculous.

Furthermore, for you to compare the abortion the "Terri Schiavo fiasco" is equally ridiculous. They are no where near one in the same.
 
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LVLouisCyphre

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I stand by my logic...

It is not my decision to make as it's not my body. Until we have concrete medical and scientific evidence as to when life does start and end, it's just a cluster of self replicating DNA.

I also will state for the record here that I have absolutely no issue being a legally armed escort for a woman who wishes to use the legal services of an family planning clinic. I will also state that I have no issue whatsoever drawing my firearm and using it to legally defend said clinic, its staff or patients from acts of terrorism from overzealous anti-choice activists because it is legal in this country and I hope it stays that way. Using acts of terrorism against these clinics and their patients is just as criminal as 9/11. Like it or not, it is a freedom in this country, some freedoms are just difficult to swallow.

If you want to deal with the unwanted pregnancy issue, have the talk with your children and see about having your daughter's OB/GYN prescribe birth control. Or better yet, buy your teenage kids condoms. That's how you deal with the unwanted pregnancy and abortion issue if it bothers you so much. Educate your children so it won't be a problem. I'd rather deal with that then be a grandparent prematurely. An once of prevention is worth a ton of cure when it comes to getting surprise packages from the stork. Oh wait a minute. The same anti-choice zealots are also against schools teaching sex education and put their heads in their sand or have a proverbial gluteous maximus for head wear when it comes to the birds and the bees. No wonder we have such an issue with unwanted pregnancies.

It is not my place to impose beliefs that do not affect me personally or the safety of the public as a whole. A woman exercising her right to choose does not affect our society as a whole or any of us individually. That decision she has to deal with. It is her business and decision to make, no one else's.
 

HK4U

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Murder

It is not my decision to make as it's not my body. Until we have concrete medical and scientific evidence as to when life does start and end, it's just a cluster of self replicating DNA.

I also will state for the record here that I have absolutely no issue being a legally armed escort for a woman who wishes to use the legal services of an family planning clinic. I will also state that I have no issue whatsoever drawing my firearm and using it to legally defend said clinic, its staff or patients from acts of terrorism from overzealous anti-choice activists because it is legal in this country and I hope it stays that way. Using acts of terrorism against these clinics and their patients is just as criminal as 9/11. Like it or not, it is a freedom in this country, some freedoms are just difficult to swallow.

If you want to deal with the unwanted pregnancy issue, have the talk with your children and see about having your daughter's OB/GYN prescribe birth control. Or better yet, buy your teenage kids condoms. That's how you deal with the unwanted pregnancy and abortion issue if it bothers you so much. Educate your children so it won't be a problem. I'd rather deal with that then be a grandparent prematurely. An once of prevention is worth a ton of cure when it comes to getting surprise packages from the stork. Oh wait a minute. The same anti-choice zealots are also against schools teaching sex education and put their heads in their sand or have a proverbial gluteous maximus for head wear when it comes to the birds and the bees. No wonder we have such an issue with unwanted pregnancies.

It is not my place to impose beliefs that do not affect me personally or the safety of the public as a whole. A woman exercising her right to choose does not affect our society as a whole or any of us individually. That decision she has to deal with. It is her business and decision to make, no one else's.


.....And it is not the decision of the women to murder a baby but she takes it upon her selr. God help us. What have we become in this country Nazi Germany? Perhaps we can figure out how to gas the babies while still in the womb.
 

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