Do You Support The Castle Doctrine?


What Are Your Thoughts On The Castle Doctrine?

  • Do You Support The Castle Doctrine?

    Votes: 101 73.7%
  • Do You Oppose The Castle Doctrine?

    Votes: 1 0.7%
  • Do You Agree The Second Amendment IS Your Castle Doctrine?

    Votes: 72 52.6%
  • Do You Feel You Must Retreat Before DLP (Defense of Life, Property)?

    Votes: 1 0.7%

  • Total voters
    137

Bohemian

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There private property and they have the right to deny RKBA, so Boycott them all.
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According to the current convoluted Second Amendment Infringements in place, they have a right to deny RKBA...

Hopefully, one of these days some fricking genius will figure out just WTF "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" means...

Till then will have to keep firing Politicians until we get a group that fricking listens to WE THE PEOPLE...
 

FN1910

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I suppose I am just ignorant or something but I don't understand how the Castle Doctrine and 2A are related. One says that you have the right to bear arms but it doesn't say that you have the right to kill people. CD says you have the right to defend yourself in your home whith whatever means you have available. It doesn't say you have you use a gun. It says you can use a gun, knife, baseball bat or bare hands.

BTW - Does arms in 2A only mean guns? What about knives, swords, bayonets and flamethrowers. Are they arms?
 

JJFlash

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I suppose I am just ignorant or something but I don't understand how the Castle Doctrine and 2A are related. One says that you have the right to bear arms but it doesn't say that you have the right to kill people. CD says you have the right to defend yourself in your home whith whatever means you have available. It doesn't say you have you use a gun. It says you can use a gun, knife, baseball bat or bare hands.

BTW - Does arms in 2A only mean guns? What about knives, swords, bayonets and flamethrowers. Are they arms?

Hmmm...a thoughtful question. My ND permit now lists weapon type as "firearm and dangerous weapon" which "allows" me to carry anything I want concealed (nunchuks, machete, knives, etc.). Didn't use to say that, just said "firearm" or something (don't quite remember the exact wording). I'm gonna assume, tho, until I'm educated otherwise (and oh, I will be, I'm sure), that the "arms" in RKBA meant weapons which could be fired. I'm inferring this from the writings of the founding fathers surrounding the 2A, which denotes the right to self-defense and to throw off a tyrannical government, which I'm assuming you would need more than pitchforks to do effectively. But what the hell do I know?

Good point about the relationship between 2A and CD. Will it make a difference if I shoot somebody or just beat 'em to death with a baseball bat? Or (this could be entertaining), just feed 'em to the Rottweiler?
 

Bohemian

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I suppose I am just ignorant or something but I don't understand how the Castle Doctrine and 2A are related. One says that you have the right to bear arms but it doesn't say that you have the right to kill people. CD says you have the right to defend yourself in your home whith whatever means you have available. It doesn't say you have you use a gun. It says you can use a gun, knife, baseball bat or bare hands.

BTW - Does arms in 2A only mean guns? What about knives, swords, bayonets and flamethrowers. Are they arms?

Now we are getting somewhere!

"Congress has no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American ... the unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people." - Tench Coxe 1789

The Castle Doctrine in my view is ambiguous with 2a...

Its Superfluous...

2a = bat, firearm, bazooka, f-14 tomcat... whatever...

"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the Body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind . . . Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks."
--Thomas Jefferson, Letter to his nephew Peter Carr, August 19, 1785.

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms . . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes . . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
--Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria in On Crimes and Punishment (1764).

Disambiguate the Second Amendment Should Be The Mantra...

By Eliminating the 20,000 and counting ambiguous laws making the unambiguous Second Amendment Ambiguous...

Time To Take A Stand...
 

JJFlash

New member
Now we are getting somewhere!

"Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American ... the unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people." - Tench Coxe 1789

The Castle Doctrine in my view is ambiguous with 2a...

Its Superfluous...

2a = bat, firearm, bazooka, f-14 tomcat... whatever...

"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the Body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind . . . Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks."
--Thomas Jefferson, Letter to his nephew Peter Carr, August 19, 1785.

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms . . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes . . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
--Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria in On Crimes and Punishment (1764).

Disambiguate the Second Amendment Should Be The Mantra...

Time To Take A Stand...


I consider myself educated!
 

6shootercarry

New member
In my home, in my vehicle, or any place that I come under direct physical attack. If they die as a result of the injury I inflict while defending myself, that's the result of their decision to assault me.
 

mbass

New member
Now we are getting somewhere!

"Congress has no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American ... the unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people." - Tench Coxe 1789

The Castle Doctrine in my view is ambiguous with 2a...

Its Superfluous...

2a = bat, firearm, bazooka, f-14 tomcat... whatever...

"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the Body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind . . . Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks."
--Thomas Jefferson, Letter to his nephew Peter Carr, August 19, 1785.

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms . . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes . . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
--Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria in On Crimes and Punishment (1764).

Disambiguate the Second Amendment Should Be The Mantra...

By Eliminating the 20,000 and counting ambiguous laws making the unambiguous Second Amendment Ambiguous...

Time To Take A Stand...


Good post, Behemian, to a good point, FN1910!
 
I support any law that helps solidify 2A protected rights. The 2A can be read in many ways, as the anti's can show you, and anything that increases protection is a good thing.
 

NOBAMA

New member
The clue to the NY Law is to stick a Bic Lighter in their hand after you shoot them. Then tell the cop you prevented him from committing arson. Gotta love NY State!:cray:
 

oldvet53

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anyone who is from arkansas should contact you state legislature and demand that a castle doctorine be passed, i am disabled and can't run. and in my home i WILL not retreat!:mad:
 

Jim_Macklin

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POLL FYI: Multiple Choice Allowed...

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Castle Doctrine in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Castle Doctrine is a legal concept that holds that a person's place of residence is a place where a person enjoys protection from illegal trespassing and violent attack, and thus, has the legal right to employ the use of deadly force in the event of violent attack by an intruder or an intrusion that may lead to deadly attack or is undertaken with another felonious intent.

What are your thoughts on the Castle Doctrine? Do you support it or are you opposed to it?

A map of states that currently have some form of the castle doctrine:

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Also part of Kansas Castle Doctrine [several different scetions of law really] is protection from civil law suits.
Castle Doctrine places a burden on the State to prove you were not justified, rather than the burden being on you to prove your use of force was justified.
Once3 that justification applies a home-powner or store customer cannot be sued by the injured criminal or their survivors.
 

kelcarry

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With the way this country is going, as it turns, if not already, into a one party fascist neo-nazi thug infested government, at this point in time, castle doctrine still can mean something to all of us who live in states where our homes and property are sacrosanct. When I watch shows like "cops" and witness the task force serving a search warrant I postively get sick. They mass at the door, yell search warrant as if the occupant should believe them or even hear them, and before the occupant can even take a breath and have a thought or even ask for an ID, they have knocked the door down and rampaged into the house with guns drawn---kids are screaming etc etc. Believe me, I have the utmost respect for LEOs and no respect whatsoever for the sleazebuckets inside these 100% predetermined "busts" that they televise but, in keeping with my views of our current government, I have definite fears that castle doctrine will mean nothing if the "cop show antics" are allowed to happen. I can see where the current FISA laws that allow secret warrants because of "national security" can be used by our current cast of nazi thugs to make sure you and I "disappear"--you know the guys with the guns, the guys with the NRA membership, the guys who despise the shithead in the white house, guys like me who happen to be not only non-moslem but jewish to boot. I have a close connection to the "sheep" led off to slaughter during the 1930s in nazi Germany and I will NOT let it happen to me. November, 2010 will be the beginning or the end for this country; either the citizens of this country will recognize evil, corruption, and collusion or they will not--I can hope they do---God Bless America.
 

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