TruckTurner68
Chaplain
Not!!
What do you think?
What do you think?
Do CCW holders livein a dream world????
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Agreed...can we please get this thread locked.
It has been debunked fully since it aired. They actually lied to the "students" before putting them in the test room. Several actually asked if they needed to worry about a second shooter and were told unequivocally "No" by the producers and "instructors." If it is a real life situation, you don't tell the subjects stuff like that.
chiefpropellerhead
Chiefpropellerhead
I think that this video is very sobering indeed.
Phillip Gain
New member
Recently I took a course that was Utah CCW combined with video "shoot/don't shoot" scenarios. I volunteered to be the first guinea pig for the video, and was dealt a bank robbery situation with a surprise second shooter. I dropped the first guy - 2 to the chest and 1 to the head. And then, as was meant to happen, a second shooter from above and to my right let loose with an automatic weapon and wasted me. This video reminded me of that, except with airsoft pistols instead of video simulation.
Now a couple of points here. These students were set up to fail:
1) The situation represented an uncommon and complex self-defense scenario. It's much more likely that any of us will be defending against a home invasion, street mugging, or simple robbery vs. being in a u-shaped lecture room with limited mobility and crowd chaos.
2) The second shooter was in their peripheral vision...except they were wearing protective headgear which exacerbated the well-documented "stress tunnel vision" effect. On top of that, students had to fumble with what looks like hockey gloves and snug fitting white "did I get hit" tops. Not to mention that they were likely using unfamiliar airsoft firearms.
This sort of exercise can (and should) serve as a sobering reminder that a firearm does not make you invincible, and that each of us has a responsibility to practice defensive shooting and take opportunities to train whenever we can. IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT CCW HOLDERS LIVE IN A DREAM WORLD. And I really resent the spin that ABC puts on the story...but what do you expect from libtard media?
Now a couple of points here. These students were set up to fail:
1) The situation represented an uncommon and complex self-defense scenario. It's much more likely that any of us will be defending against a home invasion, street mugging, or simple robbery vs. being in a u-shaped lecture room with limited mobility and crowd chaos.
2) The second shooter was in their peripheral vision...except they were wearing protective headgear which exacerbated the well-documented "stress tunnel vision" effect. On top of that, students had to fumble with what looks like hockey gloves and snug fitting white "did I get hit" tops. Not to mention that they were likely using unfamiliar airsoft firearms.
This sort of exercise can (and should) serve as a sobering reminder that a firearm does not make you invincible, and that each of us has a responsibility to practice defensive shooting and take opportunities to train whenever we can. IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT CCW HOLDERS LIVE IN A DREAM WORLD. And I really resent the spin that ABC puts on the story...but what do you expect from libtard media?
Interesting. Most of you likely know this already, but awareness of typical physical responses to this kind of incident is critical - tunnel vision, auditory suppression, and loss of fine motor control are commonly reported experiences. It helps to know to expect it and have a trained response to it. For instance, when we practice for such a scenario in a tactical shooting class I take, after taking initial defensive shots, we move to the right or left to take ourselves out of the shooter's range of vision because he is also experiencing tunnel vision.
father-of-three
Member
A reality test, but also a major setup to give the gun control folks the ammunition.
Dream World? Hardly, if we did we'd be thinking we are always perfectly safe and don't need protection to begin with.
Is it difficult to accurately engage a target in a situation with lots of people milling about. Yes, of course. Would that be any easier for a cop? No, unless he only arrives after the only person left standing is the shooter.
Is it difficult to accurately engage a target in a situation with lots of people milling about. Yes, of course. Would that be any easier for a cop? No, unless he only arrives after the only person left standing is the shooter.
trophyhunter
New member
The only dream world I live in, Is every nite when I go to bed.I dream of winning the lottery so that I can buy Every weapon I ever Dreamed of..
OUTTAHERE
New member
Dream world?
ABC is the one living in a dream world where everyone should look out for themselves only and rely on the police/govt. to take care of your problems. What they fail to understand that CCW is not just about self defense, it's also about helping others in times of need. When it comes to choices, one has to decide whether they're going to be a wolf, a sheep or a shepherd. I choose to be a shepherd.
ABC is the one living in a dream world where everyone should look out for themselves only and rely on the police/govt. to take care of your problems. What they fail to understand that CCW is not just about self defense, it's also about helping others in times of need. When it comes to choices, one has to decide whether they're going to be a wolf, a sheep or a shepherd. I choose to be a shepherd.
sgtyoung85
New member
My minivan got shot up while it was sitting in front of my house at around 9pm an hour before I was to leave for work two years ago, and I live in a pretty decent neighborhood, and this happened during the winter......... good bye dream world
Firefighterchen
OC for Tactical Advantage
When is a couple hours total of training adequate? When do people wear XXXXXXL sized shirts? When does the bad guy know exactly where the ccw holder is seating 100% of the time? When is the bad guy a trained shooter? The only things missing in this video are unicorns that shoot rainbows out their butts that cause people to explode into blood and guts....
Lets put anyone of us, in our normal attire, in a room wherever we want, let that douche bag officer come in after the teacher....lets see what happens then!
Lets see what happens when no one carries, a shooter starts killing, the police are called, and they arrive 10 minutes later, and wait till its safe to go in..oh wait we already have seen that...
This video was nice though, it showed the majority of the time, the bg and the ccw holder would have died...2 is better than 20+...but apparently massacres are a wet dream for abc
Lets put anyone of us, in our normal attire, in a room wherever we want, let that douche bag officer come in after the teacher....lets see what happens then!
Lets see what happens when no one carries, a shooter starts killing, the police are called, and they arrive 10 minutes later, and wait till its safe to go in..oh wait we already have seen that...
This video was nice though, it showed the majority of the time, the bg and the ccw holder would have died...2 is better than 20+...but apparently massacres are a wet dream for abc
You were supposed to leave for work 2 years ago? Man, your boss is gonna be angry by now!
Sorry, no bad feelings!
Grognard Gunny
New member
No, don't lock it. It is merely demonstrative of the silliness that the hopliphobes go to to demonstrate their POV. Anyone who has a lick of sence in their heads at all is going to see through this charade most ricky tick.
Those who cannot.... are beyond help and generally vote Dem/Lib/Prog anyway. (LOL!)
GG
Those who cannot.... are beyond help and generally vote Dem/Lib/Prog anyway. (LOL!)
GG
My sentiment exactly. Every instructor out there knows this is bunk and the media agency responsible for it refuses to truly be put to the test on the matter.
