Disturbing, Anti-American, etc.....

[AndrewLDoe]

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[Glockster20]

This is the first I have heard of this! Now I'm really P'Oed! This is an absolute outrage!!! The DA and police are sweeping it under the rug!! Already a convicted felon and now awaiting sentencing??? Holy crap!! If we don't start standing up for our rights, we are going to lose everything! I find it hard to believe that a jury found him guilty of transferring a machine gun because of a malfunction! How can this happen?? How can we let it happen??? This man does not deserve prison and the conviction needs to be overturned! The government ought to be kissing his A** and thanking him for his service!

 

[rrc1962]

Anyone who says that illegal search and seizure of guns won't happen needs to see this. That is exactly what happened to this guy. They broke into his home, FOUND NO ILLEGAL WEAPONS yet still arrested and prosecuted him. If they ban guns, we will all be subject to this sort of thing.

What sort if idiot jury would find a guy guilty when the gun in question was not manufactured to fire full auto, has not been modified to fire full auto and furthermore, no illegal weapons were found in his possession? The only explanation is that they chose ignorant jurors that would buy the governments fabricated case. It's idiotic and further evidence of what is in store for us down the road.

 

[ronwill]

Before we jump all over the ATF look at the following testimony:

"Kiernicki testified that Olofson had told Kiernicki that the third position of the rifle's firing selector was for automatic firing, but it jammed, court records indicate. He also testified Olofson told him he had fired the weapon on the automatic setting at that same range without a problem. According to Len Savage, a weaponry expert who runs Historic Arms LLC, BATFE paid Kiernicki an undisclosed amount of money for his testimony."

Let's see what happens on appeal and hope the NRA and SAF get involved. If Olofson did in fact own a modified AR-15 (or M-16 without a license) then he did brake the law. If it's found that the testimony was false then Kiernicki needs to be prosecuted.

 

[rrc1962]

Let's see what happens on appeal and hope the NRA and SAF get involved. If Olofson did in fact own a modified AR-15 (or M-16 without a license) then he did brake the law. If it's found that the testimony was false then Kiernicki needs to be prosecuted.

I agree, but by their own admission, no illegal weapons were found. That tells me that the AR15 in question was not modified. Furthermore, the ATF paying someone to testify in their favor does not strengthen their case.

Could be that with all this talk of gun control lately they just picked someone to make an example of and railroaded him through the system. Wouldn't be the first time that happened.

 

[ronwill]

I agree, but by their own admission, no illegal weapons were found. That tells me that the AR15 in question was not modified. Furthermore, the ATF paying someone to testify in their favor does not strengthen their case.

Could be that with all this talk of gun control lately they just picked someone to make an example of and railroaded him through the system. Wouldn't be the first time that happened.

This is all a possibility and may come to light. Something about the "more than 800 rounds fired" before the malfunction bothers me. While many, myself included, may spend an entire day at the range and fire a considerable amount I think this was done in a relatively short time. It doesn't say how the ATF found out about the incident. Did someone at the range report it or did Kiernicki turn him in? Payment for testimony isn't the proper way either. Is it possible the payment was a plea deal to keep Kiernicki out of jail? Right now there are far to many variables that need to be cleared up. Here's some more info on the case:

http://www.jpfo.org/filegen-n-z/olofson-vs-us.htm

 

[AndrewLDoe]

I believe they say he fired the weapon on several occasions.

Also, on the older M-16's (there is a 3-round burst and single shot), I don't know the age of his weapon, but it seems funny that they describe "multiple rounds firing with a single pull of the trigger" and don't quantify it.

 

[AndrewLDoe]

I believe they say he fired the weapon on several occasions.

Also, on the older M-16's (there is a 3-round burst and single shot), I don't know the age of his weapon, but it seems funny that they describe "multiple rounds firing with a single pull of the trigger" and don't quantify it.

 

[Boomboy007]

Easy, guys, easy......

Calm down....... easy........ just wait......... don't do anything rash...... in fact, don't do anything at all.......... don't stockpile ammo......... nothing to worry about........ is that a flute melody I hear?........... he is not you......... you are still safe............ second amendment supporter of duck hunting.......... it is okay........ just go back to sleep....... :alcoholic:

We are going to wake up in a very bad place, methinks.

 

[ricbak]

US vs Olofson

I have been "watching" this for the last year. If you "Google" this, you can find 20k+ hits. It is disturbing to say the least.. (Watch your Blood Pressure there. '007 :biggrin It just does not make any sense. It is common knowledge that the "chopper" of choise for gangs are ARs & AKs, yet the BTAFE wants to make this an example? I think somebody was way over zealous and does not want to admit they made a mistake.

 

[FOXBARON]

If it should be determined that the witness provided false testimony and that the prosecutor was aware of this then not only should the witness be prosecuted for perjury but the prosecutor should also be prosecuted himself and upon conviction should serve the same amount of time in jail that the defendant would have had to serve upon being found guilty.

Just like Nifong should have in the Duke Rape case.

 

[wolfhunter]

I believe they say he fired the weapon on several occasions.

Also, on the older M-16's (there is a 3-round burst and single shot), I don't know the age of his weapon, but it seems funny that they describe "multiple rounds firing with a single pull of the trigger" and don't quantify it.

Sorry, on the older M-16s, the selector settings are Safe, Fire, and Auto. The Auto setting didn't limit at three rounds, good training did. Supposedly, many in the 'Nam era were told "put it on Auto and pull the trigger." The 3-round selection was on models newer than 1984.

 

[ricbak]

~ The Auto setting didn't limit at three rounds, good training did.

That is what we called Gun Control.

~ Supposedly, many in the 'Nam era were told "put it on Auto and pull the trigger." The 3-round selection was on models newer than 1984.

Well, sorta, You had to learn to control that rifle, how fast will a M-16/AR15 burn through a 20 round mag? I did not know that a 3 round burst was available, that's pretty cool. I have not shot one of those thangs since "Nam".....

 

[wolfhunter]

I was active from 79 - 86 and was taught 3-5 round burst fire from M16s, M60s, and M2s. I read about the selector being changed from full auto to 3 round burst before I got out, but didn't see the new version until I noticed it on a rifle an MP had at the AF base gate.

 

[Boomboy007]

Excellent point, Fox.

If it should be determined that the witness provided false testimony and that the prosecutor was aware of this then not only should the witness be prosecuted for perjury but the prosecutor should also be prosecuted himself and upon conviction should serve the same amount of time in jail that the defendant would have had to serve upon being found guilty.

Just like Nifong should have in the Duke Rape case.

Hear, hear. I have long been a proponent of reciprocal sentencing in cases where willful lying occurred. I believe that the woman should have had the equal sentence that these men would have gotten had they been unlawfully convicted. I also think that Nifong should have been dis-barred.

 

[AndrewLDoe]

Thanks

Thanks Wolfhunter, my exp with M-16's dates back to early 90's models.

Can you mod the new AR-15's to fully auto?

 

[BearTaylor]

That man needs to have the conviction overturned and reinstated in the Army Reserve with his previous rank and backpay. It's an outrage, immoral, and total abuse of power. Anybody with a semiauto firearm faces this potential threat.

 

[toreskha]

Has the ATF shown exactly what it is that they say he did to modify the receiver on the rifle? That should be the starting point for a case if they're seeking to prove that this was not a malfunction.

 

[wolfhunter]

Thanks Wolfhunter, my exp with M-16's dates back to early 90's models.

Can you mod the new AR-15's to fully auto?

The full auto M-16s have one more hole in the receiver than the civilian AR-15s. It's for the sear pin. I'm not sure how the 3-shot version functions compared to the old full autos, but they have a sear pin also, so there are two different lower receiver styles; one with a hole for a sear pin(full auto/3round) and one without (semi-auto only).

 

[astute]

The gun in question was an AR-15 not an M-16. When the Govt. tested it, they could not make it repeat the double up. The ATF sent it back to the lab and told them to retest it using ammo with soft, more sensitive primers. After extensive firing they finally got it to malfunction. this was presented to a Totally ignorant carefully selected jury and they convicted him. The judge denied defense evidence and testimony. I believe he was sentenced and is now in prison awaiting appeal and this was done on Bush's watch same as Compion and Ramos.:angry::fie: